Bodybuilders = Athletes

[CARTEL]

I think we're playing with the lesser half of the gene pool in this thread. lol.

Like you said, this is a bodybuilding forum.

[benchthis]

haha, you guys distinguish an athlete by the fact that they do/do not do g4p? have a job? starve themselves? and/or stand in front of a few people in a thong and flex?

haha, monster logic 

I think we're playing with the lesser half of the gene pool in this thread. lol.

  well i described everything a bodybuilder does and i see nothing athletic about it

[garraeth]

Like you said, this is a bodybuilding forum.

True.

I just wish the morons would know their place and shut it.

[garraeth]

  well i described everything a bodybuilder does and i see nothing athletic about it

K, since you are among the ranks of the sub-100 IQ, I'll explain this to you:

--if a person does not have a job, this does not disqualify them from being an athlete
--if a person does g4p, this does not disqualify them from being an athlete
--if a person starves themselves, this does not disqualify them from being an athlete
--if a person flexes in front of people in a thong, this does not disqualify them from being an athlete

You're dim flame of a mind cannot comprehend the fact that if Lance Armstrong (whom, I'm assuming you believe to be an athlete, correct?) did g4p, he would still be an athlete. And you should also be aware that Lance has no job. And starves himself to get a low bodyfat. So by your criteria, he meets three factors out of 4 that should -- according to your mediocre mind -- disqualify him from being an athlete.

damm  I don't even want to get into The Coach and his lack: 20 * 10 is the same as 25 * 8 is the same as 100 * 2 is the same as 50 * 4 is the same as 200 * 1...omg, holy cow!

[Cleanest Natural]

1. You don't need to bench 400 for reps or squat 5-600lbs to play tennis.

2. I wasn't talking about strength I was talking about the size of a bodybuilder who might be 5'10 and 280 lbs.

3. If you referring to yourself in your post don't.......I was talking about people who are 8 times your size.

4. I had a 2 year "affair" with professional baseball..........that makes me qualified!!

oh yeah?...tell me ..what did u play and where?...and when/?...u either don't know shit about bb as a sport...not lifting in the gym and writing on the forum...or u don't know squat about sports..as in lyin about baseball. And yes ...i'll come at 240 at your camp and make all your highschool students " my personal bitches"...u don't believe me?...ask my old training partener eric stocz ( nfl- Lions,oilers, etc) u can find his # at west bloomfield sports club in michigan...he's a PT  there...he was like u but I made him a believer.

[Cleanest Natural]

U didn't understand my first post at all...got nothing to do with tennis. Not to forget : call Phil Heath too...he'll make your students his bitches also...as well as trey brewer would ..i'm sure. " those who can't play...coach! " ...Coach..

[The Coach]

oh yeah?...tell me ..what did u play and where?...and when/?...u either don't know shit about bb as a sport...not lifting in the gym and writing on the forum...or u don't know squat about sports..as in lyin about baseball. And yes ...i'll come at 240 at your camp and make all your highschool students " my personal bitches"...u don't believe me?...ask my old training partener eric stocz ( nfl- Lions,oilers, etc) u can find his # at west bloomfield sports club in michigan...he's a PT  there...he was like u but I made him a believer.

1. I played in the then California Angels AA farm system in Rancho Cucamunga and Salt Lake, Catcher and third base.

2. Two I do know "shit" about bodybuilding.

3. I've seen your pics and although you've got a decent physique but don't think for one second you can even come to comparing yourself to me.

4. Bodybuilding training is lightyears away from athletic training and I was referring to todays pro bodybuilders, you know, the ones that make you look like a war camp refugee.

5. Camps are held on Saturdays in Huntington Beach at Golden West College at 10:00am by appointment only and consists of strongman training, conditioning and agility.

6. Unless you know what f**k you're talking about, stay off the BB bodybuilding boards, your making a fool of yourself!!

[garraeth]

Rather than me coming to your kiddy camp, why don't you come to a mans gym -- Koloseum -- and see if you can get through one of Milos' typical leg workouts.

I've seen only one first-timer out of about 5-7 people who tried get through the whole thing.

[The Coach]

Rather than me coming to your kiddy camp, why don't you come to a mans gym -- Koloseum -- and see if you can get through one of Milos' typical leg workouts.

I've seen only one first-timer out of about 5-7 people who tried get through the whole thing.

LMAO.....kiddy camp??

Athletes (real athletes) use our camps (not the boot camp you see on my site) for mainly to prepare for combines, pre-season and in-season conditioning, military, police and fire recruits as well as seasoned vetrans...........come on out and lets see how many times you can flip a 400lb tire, or pull a sled 40-60 yards with a 200lb load do a farmers carry with a couple of hundred pounds in each hand, then run footwork and agility drills.................. ......by the way, that was just a sample of an obstical course AFTER the 20 min warmups that are a workout in itself..........are you ready??

[The Coach]

Rather than me coming to your kiddy camp, why don't you come to a mans gym -- Koloseum -- and see if you can get through one of Milos' typical leg workouts.

I've seen only one first-timer out of about 5-7 people who tried get through the whole thing.

Sorry dude, torn meniscus, after my surgery and recovery come talk to me!!

[garraeth]

Sorry dude, torn meniscus, after my surgery and recovery come talk to me!!

...course...my dog ate it...


And you still haven't figured out the premise of this debate have you? Still pushing your camp. I know you are proud of your camp and the people at it. Wonderful. But because you are proud of them, does not translate into them being athletes any more than bodybuilders. I went from strongman training (flipping tires, pulling sleds, farmers walk, maclashen stones, was a stand-in in Morocco '98 WSM, etc) to bodybuilding training. Both are just as hard as each other...the only difference are the movements.

Now, I will reiterate -- you and your "side" argue that golfers (baseball players, bowlers, fat slobs, etc...) are athletes. Name ONE golfer who could get through a workout at your camp. There is no such person. Therefore you going on about how your camp is this and that HAS NO RELEVANCE TO THIS DEBATE. Since you cannot seem to understand this unless I SPELL IT OUT for you (I'm not sure you'll even understand it now), this debate is over and I win by default because my opponent (you) can't comprehend the debate itself.





fuckena brutal sub-100 iq

[The Coach]

...course...my dog ate it...


Now, I will reiterate -- you and your "side" argue that golfers (baseball players, bowlers, fat slobs, etc...) are athletes. Name ONE golfer who could get through a workout at your camp. There is no such person. Therefore you going on about how your camp is this and that HAS NO RELEVANCE TO THIS DEBATE. Since you cannot seem to understand this unless I SPELL IT OUT for you (I'm not sure you'll even understand it now), this debate is over and I win by default because my opponent (you) can't comprehend the debate itself.





fuckena brutal sub-100 iq

See dude, this is where I think you don't get it, bodybuilding requires no skill and while now only a few golfers are considered fat slobs, they have skills, the majority of the golfers on tour now know that training has to be apart of what they do for a living, Bowlers, I don't give a crap about. Baseball? Can't even believed you lumped that in there with bowling and golf considering it takes more athletic ability and coordination that almost any sport out there.

I understand your argument, but I'm talking about ATHLETIC ABILITY not just throwing weights around!

[garraeth]

See dude, this is where I think you don't get it, bodybuilding requires no skill and while now only a few golfers are considered fat slobs, they have skills, the majority of the golfers on tour now know that training has to be apart of what they do for a living, Bowlers, I don't give a crap about. Baseball? Can't even believed you lumped that in there with bowling and golf considering it takes more athletic ability and coordination that almost any sport out there.

I understand your argument, but I'm talking about ATHLETIC ABILITY not just throwing weights around!

Ahh, cool...now we're getting someplace...

Here I disagree. I do think there is skill involved in bodybuilding. Just the same as I think there is skill involved in strongman. Why? Because it does take years to learn each movement properly. And feel the correct muscle.

1. An example: powercleans. An amature can do shit form powercleans. You are a trainer, so I'm sure you have seen how awful newbies are when they try an exercise for the first time - especially something as complex as powercleans. They need to learn the movement, cadence, and muscles that should be working.

2. It's also analgous to learning to swing a baseball bat (yes, I played baseball too)...anyone can do it. But until you've practiced a bit, your form sucks and you won't be able to hit consistantly or with any power. And just like swinging a bat, your coach will tell you to start out not trying to kill the ball, just make contact...same w/ lifting...start with real light weight -- not because you can't lift more, but so that you learn the movement and feel the proper muscles working.

3. Even "simple" movements like dumbell curls. You can do a dumbell curl 5 or 6 different ways (more, I'm sure) to grow different parts. Only practice, skill, coordination, precise muscle control, and ability will get you to the point where you can do all 5 or 6 variations properly.

4. I've been lifting since I was about 20. Just last month while working out with Silvio did he teach me how to do calf raises properly. JUST LAST MONTH!..after all these years. Yeah, there is a lot of skill and knowledge involved.

Four points as to why I believe bodybuilders are athletes based on your original argument.

[gatomjp]

See dude, this is where I think you don't get it, bodybuilding requires no skill and while now only a few golfers are considered fat slobs, they have skills, the majority of the golfers on tour now know that training has to be apart of what they do for a living, Bowlers, I don't give a crap about. Baseball? Can't even believed you lumped that in there with bowling and golf considering it takes more athletic ability and coordination that almost any sport out there.

I understand your argument, but I'm talking about ATHLETIC ABILITY not just throwing weights around!

BB requires a highly trained knowledge of physiology, nutrition, chemistry, training and presentation. It takes YEARS to get it right and some never do.

[Cleanest Natural]

HEY COACH...AA IS NOT THE PRO'S BROTHA...I MEANT MLB....BUT ANYWAY...STAY TUNED FOR MY NEWEST PICS...THEY WILL MAKE U LOOK LIKE A STARVING GUANTANAMO BAY REFUGEE. AND PLEASE DO POST A PIC...I BEG OF U.

[The Coach]

HEY COACH...AA IS NOT THE PRO'S BROTHA...I MEANT MLB....BUT ANYWAY...STAY TUNED FOR MY NEWEST PICS...THEY WILL MAKE U LOOK LIKE A STARVING GUANTANAMO BAY REFUGEE. AND PLEASE DO POST A PIC...I BEG OF U.

Hey "brotha" AA is pro ball, it's not the bigs...........but when the bigs call, they sure as hell don't get their players from highschool or college, they go right to the farm systems. I will stay tuned for your newest pics, but I don't understand how different they'll be from last weeks pics.

[onlyme]

HEY COACH...AA IS NOT THE PRO'S BROTHA...I MEANT MLB....BUT ANYWAY...STAY TUNED FOR MY NEWEST PICS...THEY WILL MAKE U LOOK LIKE A STARVING GUANTANAMO BAY REFUGEE. AND PLEASE DO POST A PIC...I BEG OF U.

You are wrong here.  AA ball is Pro ball.  You are getting paid and you are playing in an organization operated by the MLB.  AA ball is right below AAA and when the player in the bigs gets hurt and they call up the AAA player behind him you are now next in line in most cases.  I played in a winter instructional league in CA with Minnesota and the A's back in 77 and 78.  I wish I could have made it to AA.  They had high hopes but I failed.  Out high school had allot of pros come out of it.  Mike Scott is probably the best known since he won the Cy Young.  Mike Colbern (White Sox), Gary Allenson (Red Sox), Mark Lee (Padres), Greg Staffon (Montreal), Wes Clements (Astros), Tracey Jones (Reds) and many more since I graduated.  Baseball was my ultimate dream.  I remember back when I thought I was going to play in majors I was training at World Gym and told my training partner I wanted to open a gym with the money I made.  Too bad that didn't pan out.

[benchthis]

ha ha Milo's gym!!! of coarse you'll get tired doing his stupid workout!! if you get a shotput thrower who just works on strength and  explosive  exercises and make him run a marathon he'll get sore and tired and what not but if he would to train to be a marathon runner he would be alright if you train for Milo's workout you could get threw it 

[The Ugly]

"Athretes? Ha! Don't make Kobayashi raugh!"

[TheEgoCrusher]

There is nothing "athletic" about:

1.  Lifting weights...I don't care how heavy they are.  If you are stationary and moving them it requires strength...not agility, quickness, speed, etc.

2.  Posing in trunks on a stage.  I'm not even going to begin to comment on this one.

You will find that a lot of FORMER ATHLETES get into weightlifting/bodybuilding because they like to stay ACTIVE when they are done playing their respective sports, NOT because the activity itself (weight-lifting/bodybuilding) is an athletic endeavor.  It's a pageant. 

[gatomjp]

Sorry dude, torn meniscus, after my surgery and recovery come talk to me!!

Check this out if you'd like to see what your surgery is going to be like...

[The Coach]

Check this out if you'd like to see what your surgery is going to be like...

That was very cool, I had my meniscus done on the opposite knee 3 1/2 years ago, it was just like the video, I had a quick recovery, back at work that same afternoon and back training in about a month, no big deal, the only thing I'm a afraid of is when they go in the find a torn ACL simply because I'm laterally unstable.

[gatomjp]

That was very cool, I had my meniscus done on the opposite knee 3 1/2 years ago, it was just like the video, I had a quick recovery, back at work that same afternoon and back training in about a month, no big deal, the only thing I'm a afraid of is when they go in the find a torn ACL simply because I'm laterally unstable.

Thanks. That's a video I did of my cousin Steve. Hopefully the hospital will hire me to do more of other patients and other procedures.

You don't know if your ACL is torn?? Haven't you had an MRI done yet?

[The Coach]

Thanks. That's a video I did of my cousin Steve. Hopefully the hospital will hire me to do more of other patients and other procedures.

You don't know if your ACL is torn?? Haven't you had an MRI done yet?

Yes, I had a the MRI and confirmed the tear on the anterior horn, but also had a grade 1-2 sprain on to the ACL, it could or could not mean a tear.

[The Coach]

1. Sprained ACL

2. Tear of the anterior horn of the lateral meniscus w/parameniscal cyst

3. Degenerative changes of the posterior horn of the lateral meniscus

4. Bone edema and reactive changes involving the proximal tibia as well as the medial and lateral femoral condyles with some cystic within the the lateral tibial plateau.

5. Sprains of the medial and lateral collateral ligaments.

6. Small joint effusion.

Wonderful !!