Author Topic: Cindy Sheehan May Run Against House Speaker........ (Read 5565 times)

ieffinhatecardio · « **Reply #25 on:** July 09, 2007, 01:57:38 AM »

Quote from: Brixtonbulldog on July 09, 2007, 01:35:57 AM

What an idiot.

Oh, the irony, it's almost reduculous.

bmacsys · « **Reply #26 on:** July 09, 2007, 05:35:06 AM »

Her son made the decision to join the military. He was a grown man. Nobody twisted his arm. Seems like she doesn't respect the choices he made in his life. Am I missing something here?

The Coach · « **Reply #27 on:** July 09, 2007, 07:08:07 AM »

Quote from: bmacsys on July 09, 2007, 05:35:06 AM

Her son made the decision to join the military. He was a grown man. Nobody twisted his arm. Seems like she doesn't respect the choices he made in his life. Am I missing something here?

No, you're not missing anything. He even made the choice to re-enlist for his country!

Dos Equis · « **Reply #28 on:** July 09, 2007, 10:04:49 AM »

Quote from: bmacsys on July 09, 2007, 05:35:06 AM

Her son made the decision to join the military. He was a grown man. Nobody twisted his arm. Seems like she doesn't respect the choices he made in his life. Am I missing something here?

Correct. You're not missing anything. He knew what he was doing. Her son is a hero. If anything, she has tarnished his legacy. Tragic loss, but she really went off the deep end.

Decker · « **Reply #29 on:** July 10, 2007, 05:10:46 AM »

Quote from: bmacsys on July 09, 2007, 05:35:06 AM

Her son made the decision to join the military. He was a grown man. Nobody twisted his arm. Seems like she doesn't respect the choices he made in his life. Am I missing something here?

Just b/c her son signed on to do honorable service for his country has nothing to do with the fact that Bush took advantage of the boy's service by invading Iraq.

Bush's illegal invasion of Iraq left soldiers with little choice: fight this illegal battle or face the brig.

So you see, the voluntary nature of Sheehan's service has nothing to do with the moral quandry he was thrown into thanks to the insidious efforts of his commander and chief.

Bush disgraced Sheehan's son and the american military.

The Coach · « **Reply #30 on:** July 10, 2007, 08:09:12 AM »

Quote from: Decker on July 10, 2007, 05:10:46 AM

Just b/c her son signed on to do honorable service for his country has nothing to do with the fact that Bush took advantage of the boy's service by invading Iraq.

Bush's illegal invasion of Iraq left soldiers with little choice: fight this illegal battle or face the brig.

Bush disgraced Sheehan's son and the american military.

Illegal my ass.....Bush must have taken advantage of him twice then because he re-enlisted for a second tour!!!!

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #31 on:** July 10, 2007, 08:12:30 AM »

Quote from: Brixtonbulldog on July 09, 2007, 01:35:57 AM

You're right!!! How did you know!!! Oh my god!!! You really ARE a genius!!!

What an idiot.

Brix!!! great new online profile you're sportin... It's so... jeffery dahmer-ish

Decker · « **Reply #32 on:** July 10, 2007, 08:21:43 AM »

Quote from: The Coach on July 10, 2007, 08:09:12 AM

Illegal my ass.....Bush must have taken advantage of him twice then because he re-enlisted for a second tour!!!!

How does reupping change the fact that Bush misused the military in an illegal fashion?

Why an Illegal invasion? B/c Bush ordered the use of force before the WMD inspectors could finish their inspections. That is in direct violation of UN Res. 1441 on several points. If Bush orders the attack of another sovereign nation without the pretext of self-defense, defense of another or defense against imminent attack or the like, then he has no legal justification for use of force.
(the above comes from another thread).

If you would like, I can provide you with textual support for my case from Res. 1441.

Please tell me why you are under the impression that the invasion was legal?

headhuntersix · « **Reply #33 on:** July 10, 2007, 08:23:17 AM »

Quote from: The Coach on July 10, 2007, 08:09:12 AM

Illegal my ass.....Bush must have taken advantage of him twice then because he re-enlisted for a second tour!!!!

He also volunteered for the mission he was on. I received the body of a kid on Friday evening. He'd actually been killed about 4 months ago in Iraq. They found or IDed further remains and shipped him home to be buried at his family's request. I met them at the airport and escorted them home. He'll be buried tomoorrow in a small ceremony. The kid started out in the Navy and joined the Army to go to Iraq. He was 27. At no time did his mom question the war or his sacrifice. They were just proud of him.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #34 on:** July 10, 2007, 08:25:39 AM »

Quote from: Beach Bum on July 09, 2007, 10:04:49 AM

Correct. You're not missing anything. He knew what he was doing. Her son is a hero. If anything, she has tarnished his legacy. Tragic loss, but she really went off the deep end.

but it seems like you are... It wasn't her son's service that she protested, it was not getting an answer to her question. "For what noble cause?" It was the fact that Bush lied us into a bullshit war. I know, Bush didn't lie, all along there really were WMD and Mobile labs and a nuclear program with uranium purchases from guy--of course, sure there was, we all believed it right

Oh, Did you get that memo?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downing_Street_memo

headhuntersix · « **Reply #35 on:** July 10, 2007, 08:44:56 AM »

I disagree.... I think he really thought this crap was here.

Decker · « **Reply #36 on:** July 10, 2007, 08:54:41 AM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on July 10, 2007, 08:23:17 AM

...At no time did his mom question the war or his sacrifice. They were just proud of him.

In school, I learned of the doctrine of changed circumstances. I know, I know, that sounds stupid.

But things change. The average american, hell, even the average congressperson, did not know the invasion was illegal. Bush et al. kept convolving Iraq and 9/11 so that about 70% of the country thought Iraq had a hand in the attacks of 9/11.

That is a well-crafted propagandistic lie.

The death of Sheehan's son changed her outlook and caused her to dig deeper into why her boy had to die.

headhuntersix · « **Reply #37 on:** July 10, 2007, 09:01:41 AM »

U keep calling it illiegal like anybody cares about the UN. In any event she can have her opinion. I'm just relating the opinion and feelings of people I've met recently. Sheehan was hijacked by the left and used.

Decker · « **Reply #38 on:** July 10, 2007, 09:21:22 AM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on July 10, 2007, 09:01:41 AM

U keep calling it illiegal like anybody cares about the UN. In any event she can have her opinion. I'm just relating the opinion and feelings of people I've met recently. Sheehan was hijacked by the left and used.

I'm not going to pretend that international law does not exist.

Do you know why Bush went to the UN to enforce a decade old UN disarmament resolution?

Perhaps you could tell me why Bush just didn't flip off the UN and order the US military to attack Iraq outright.

Here's my idea: the Nuremberg War Crime holdings are still relevant today. The Bush administration knows this. The UN resolution provided cover for the war Bush was hot for. Unfortunately the facts on the ground--no WMDs--screwed up his plans and he ended up commtting a war crime anyways.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #39 on:** July 10, 2007, 09:21:54 AM »

Quote from: Berserker on July 10, 2007, 08:25:39 AM

but it seems like you are... It wasn't her son's service that she protested, it was not getting an answer to her question. "For what noble cause?" It was the fact that Bush lied us into a bullshit war. I know, Bush didn't lie, all along there really were WMD and Mobile labs and a nuclear program with uranium purchases from guy--of course, sure there was, we all believed it right Oh, Did you get that memo? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downing_Street_memo

It started off as her wanting an answer to a question and morphed into an anti-war crusade, including public comments opposing going into Afghanistan. In the end, she did her son a disservice.

ieffinhatecardio · « **Reply #40 on:** July 10, 2007, 11:33:10 AM »

Quote from: Berserker on July 10, 2007, 08:25:39 AM

but it seems like you are... It wasn't her son's service that she protested, it was not getting an answer to her question. "For what noble cause?" It was the fact that Bush lied us into a bullshit war. I know, Bush didn't lie, all along there really were WMD and Mobile labs and a nuclear program with uranium purchases from guy--of course, sure there was, we all believed it right Oh, Did you get that memo? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downing_Street_memo

Stop bringing the truth into the bash Cindy Sheehan agenda. The neotaints don't want to hear it, instead they'd rather focus on her appearance.

The woman's son was killed, she's gone a little wacky but she's also paid a far higher price for this war than any of us posting here have. What's the point of focusing on her? She's not going to win any election so she's no real threat to conservatives. Focusing on her is childish and petty, clearly the woman was devastated by her son's death. Just let her be, eventually she'll go away.

OzmO · « **Reply #41 on:** July 10, 2007, 11:56:36 AM »

The fact the war was based on untrue intel isn't as bad as irresponsibly putting American troops into and unwarrented war.

What's the BIG deal with her wanting to enter politics anyway? She's used up her 15 minutes of political fame is is trying to parlay it into a career?

So what.

headhuntersix · « **Reply #42 on:** July 10, 2007, 12:01:10 PM »

She feels betrayed by the Dems.....surprise surprise....I wish she'd find some peace.

OzmO · « **Reply #43 on:** July 10, 2007, 12:02:20 PM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on July 10, 2007, 12:01:10 PM

She feels betrayed by the Dems.....surprise surprise....I wish she'd find some peace.

As soon as she come to grips with it and stops her crusade she'll start the process of finding peace.

headhuntersix · « **Reply #44 on:** July 10, 2007, 12:05:54 PM »

Its unfortunate she put her faith in the dems....she had an important message, not that i agree, but she got hijacked to further the democratic power base.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #45 on:** July 10, 2007, 12:11:14 PM »

I agree with both of you.

OzmO · « **Reply #46 on:** July 10, 2007, 12:11:41 PM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on July 10, 2007, 12:05:54 PM

Its unfortunate she put her faith in the dems....she had an important message, not that i agree, but she got hijacked to further the democratic power base.

Where else was she to go? the republicans?

headhuntersix · « **Reply #47 on:** July 10, 2007, 12:12:57 PM »

No i think she should have done what she did without help from any group using her to further their own goals.

OzmO · « **Reply #48 on:** July 10, 2007, 12:16:58 PM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on July 10, 2007, 12:12:57 PM

No i think she should have done what she did without help from any group using her to further their own goals.

What group would have given her the stage and audience she got with the dems?

bmacsys · « **Reply #49 on:** July 10, 2007, 03:09:16 PM »

Quote from: Decker on July 10, 2007, 05:10:46 AM

Just b/c her son signed on to do honorable service for his country has nothing to do with the fact that Bush took advantage of the boy's service by invading Iraq.

This and other countries have been going to war for dubious reasons forever. I was in the U.S.M.C. for four years. You have to know going in you may go to war or even die for those dubious reasons.