Milos Drink?

[chaos]

chaos, go ahead and use your glutamine because fraudsters like milos tell you it works (at only 20 dollars a serve or whatever it is). i'm sure you'll get rteally big muscles from using it.

don't forget to eat whole jars of peanut butter with it. you'll be amazed at how big you get.

don't worry that your fat gut will protrude further than your chest. that's all part of the synergism of glutamine and sugar.

don't worry that NOT ONE SINGLE APPROVED STUDY CONFIRMS IT'S USEFULNESS. afterall there's only been about 50 studies that prove the opposite and you've got money to waste.

like I asked Bluto, you moron, post 1 link showing it is useless, I posted a link showing that a depletion of glutamine may worsen BCAA and protein wasting. So according to that study in laymans terms if you have glutamine in the blood stream you will waste less protein and BCAA's. so how is glutamine useless?



Again, you talk shit but no study to back it up, at least Bluto posted a study, you posted nothing but shit, glutamine is more useful than your posts, that's for sure

[MCWAY]

chaos, go ahead and use your glutamine because fraudsters like milos tell you it works (at only 20 dollars a serve or whatever it is). i'm sure you'll get rteally big muscles from using it.

don't forget to eat whole jars of peanut butter with it. you'll be amazed at how big you get.

don't worry that your fat gut will protrude further than your chest. that's all part of the synergism of glutamine and sugar.

don't worry that NOT ONE SINGLE APPROVED STUDY CONFIRMS IT'S USEFULNESS. afterall there's only been about 50 studies that prove the opposite and you've got money to waste.

It will be a waste.......IF Chaos decides to go bike-riding for an hour and a half.

[Milos_Sarcev]

If you were less arrogant maybe you would learn something, even from internet morons like me.

It's you who is acting like a professor, meanwhile not really doing much research. You think supplying aminos during the workout will make you grow much faster and that lack of insulin/aminos during the workout is a limiting factor in hypertrophy. That's a wild leap of faith IMO.

How come you didn't mention the injectable insulin on PBW? You said your shakes were responsible for the results in your clients. That's dishonest.

Yes, ajimoto aminos and dextrose were the "million dollar secret" you gave to Nasser. 

1- We all know why I didn't mention INSULIN on radio...

2- I mentioned numerous times - YES I AM responsible for insulin usage among the pros

3- Many of my clients WOULD NOT take insulin...and we can easily create similar hyper-insulinemic state WITHOUT injectable insulin...and numerous clients that I have prefer that anyway. My two friends from Malaysia are TWO BEST EXAMPLES what drug free bodybuilders can accomplish when they know what theyare doing...

4- Not speaking about research doesn't mean I don't research - I chose NOT to share my research with too many UNDESERVING people...

5- Indeed:"supplying aminos during the workout will make you grow much faster and that lack of insulin/aminos during the workout is a limiting factor in hypertrophy" - that's what I claim.

6- "You said your shakes were responsible for the results in your clients. That's dishonest" - DRINKS are responsible - WITH or WITHOUT addition of insulin!

Hope this helps...as I do have to go...My beautiful wife and daughter are waiting for me...and forgive me by making a right choice and leaving you guys in your own misery...

[BEAST 8692]

like I asked Bluto, you moron, post 1 link showing it is useless, I posted a link showing that a depletion of glutamine may worsen BCAA and protein wasting. So according to that study in laymans terms if you have glutamine in the blood stream you will waste less protein and BCAA's. so how is glutamine useless?



Again, you talk shit but no study to back it up, at least Bluto posted a study, you posted nothing but shit, glutamine is more useful than your posts, that's for sure

now why would i waste my time doing that. i'm not trying to save you money. i have told you to go and buy that glutamine.

oh, btw, i like the way you have interpreted 'may' as 'will'.

if you can't even comprehend one sentence right why would i imagine that me providing you with several paragraphs of material would do anything but leave you completely bewildered.

in layman's terms, your poor little mind doesn't need the abuse chaos.

[Bast000]

Milos, have you ever taken blood pressure medication?

[Iraclese]

Man sometimes I can't believe the disrespect Milos gets on this board.
The man is a legend!  He's competed in over 70 pro shows and is
producing some amazing athletes right now.  And guys have the balls
to tell him that he knows nothing!  Please give me a break, 95% of
the guys on this board are probably 150 pounds living at their mommy
and daddy house, working at macdonalds acting like their mr olympia.
Give the man respect he's a legend.

[BEAST 8692]

hahaha

is that the best you can do milos?

yes, we all know insulin is an important hormone milos and that people that cannot produce insulin can become very sick and deprived of nutrients.

unfortunately, you are not selling this product to people who can't produce their own insulin.

of course, if you were you would go out of business in a huge way very quickly, because people that can't produce their own insulin use a far far superior product called...wait for it...INSULIN!

you see, biochemists and drug manufacturers already know that you CAN NOT MIMIC THE EFFECTS OF INSULIN WITH A FOOD/FOOD SUPPLEMENT.

but you run away now dear milos with your tail between your legs. don't want to stay and debate this point with actual facts and completely negating any possible remaining credibility you might have.

btw, where's that evidence of chua's corruption you were going to confound us all with right here on getbig.

[chaos]

now why would i waste my time doing that. i'm not trying to save you money. i have told you to go and buy that glutamine.

oh, btw, i like the way you have interpreted 'may' as 'will'.

if you can't even comprehend one sentence right why would i imagine that me providing you with several paragraphs of material would do anything but leave you completely bewildered.

in layman's terms, your poor little mind doesn't need the abuse chaos.

it's not about saving me money, asswipe, it's about backing up what you say.

which you have done none of. You accuse Milos of not answering your questions, yet you can't answer one of mine.





Can anyone post a link that shows glutamine is a useless supplement for people who work out with weights?

Apparently they are so common BEAST 8692's computer is overflowing with them, yet mysteriously, he can't post a single link to what is relative to a person that works out with weights.

[Bluto]

Bluto - I have more studies saved and books read that you would collect in the lifetime...and indeed I do show them and share them with people who's opinions and knowledge I respect - and those who deserve to know...

You can continue trying to provoke my response...and see what happens.

I really cannot wait just to tell you something and prove YOU that I am right...just as we all know what colors we see when we look at sky or grass...

I was being nice for a while...but there is the time when one must realize that speaking with the fools for prolonged period of time - can make you become one...

Enjoy ignorance...what you don't know - can't hurt you...or...maybe it can...after all.

The only thing buying worthless Glutamine for example would hurt is my wallet.

[Bluto]

That particualar study was about cycling and was tested 3 hours after, how is that comparable to lifting weights and taking in glutamine during the action?

also did you read the link I posted? from the same sight


"depletion of plasma glutamine may worsen BCAA and protein wasting"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11822473&dopt=Abstract

Effect of glutamine supplementation combined with resistance training in young adults.

Candow DG, Chilibeck PD, Burke DG, Davison KS, Smith-Palmer T.

College of Kinesiology, University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada.

The purpose of this study was to assess the effect of oral glutamine supplementation combined with resistance training in young adults. A group of 31 subjects, aged 18-24 years, were randomly allocated to groups (double blind) to receive either glutamine (0.9 g x kg lean tissue mass(-1) x day(-1); n = 17) or a placebo (0.9 g maltodextrin x kg lean tissue mass(-1) x day(-1); n = 14 during 6 weeks of total body resistance training. Exercises were performed for four to five sets of 6-12 repetitions at intensities ranging from 60% to 90% 1 repetition maximum (1 RM). Before and after training, measurements were taken of 1 RM squat and bench press strength, peak knee extension torque (using an isokinetic dynamometer), lean tissue mass (dual energy X-ray absorptiometry) and muscle protein degradation (urinary 3-methylhistidine by high performance liquid chromatography). Repeated measures ANOVA showed that strength, torque, lean tissue mass and 3-methylhistidine increased with training (P < 0.05), with no significant difference between groups. Both groups increased their 1 RM squat by approximately 30% and 1 RM bench press by approximately 14%. The glutamine group showed increases of 6% for knee extension torque, 2% for lean tissue mass and 41% for urinary levels of 3-methylhistidine. The placebo group increased knee extension torque by 5%, lean tissue mass by 1.7% and 3-methylhistidine by 56%. We conclude that glutamine supplementation during resistance training has no significant effect on muscle performance, body composition or muscle protein degradation in young healthy adults.

[Bluto]

it's not about saving me money, asswipe, it's about backing up what you say.

which you have done none of. You accuse Milos of not answering your questions, yet you can't answer one of mine.





Can anyone post a link that shows glutamine is a useless supplement for people who work out with weights?

Apparently they are so common BEAST 8692's computer is overflowing with them, yet mysteriously, he can't post a single link to what is relative to a person that works out with weights.

link posted.
now shut the fuck up and go back to post racist threads you inbred trailer park trash redneck

[MCWAY]

it's not about saving me money, asswipe, it's about backing up what you say.

which you have done none of. You accuse Milos of not answering your questions, yet you can't answer one of mine.





Can anyone post a link that shows glutamine is a useless supplement for people who work out with weights?

Apparently they are so common BEAST 8692's computer is overflowing with them, yet mysteriously, he can't post a single link to what is relative to a person that works out with weights.

Exactly how much glutamine were the subject taking, anyway? It certainly wouldn't be the first time someone used a study to claim that a supplement was worthless, only to find that, in that study, the subjects took a pitifully small amount of the supplement in question.

Don't worry, Chaos. As long as you stay off that bike, you should be alright.

[Bluto]

Same reason as I don't answer your questions either.

My nine year old knows more than both of you...but - I will let you enjoy yourself reading internet studies...

Maybe, just maybe you should start with some text books of physiology, biology, anatomy and biochemistry...to learn at least - BASICS...and when you do - please come to see me - so we can have decent conversation.

Try even with my next seminar.
I will give you a chance to question me UP AND DOWN - any question you might have...and indeed I will give you BACK UP on everything I say - with studies and hundreds of books I have in my office...

Until than - try to be honest to yourself and ask: how much do you really know about the subject?

I can tell you: very, very....VERY little. (if anything at all?)

theyre not internet studies. theyre real life scientific studies where the result has been posted on the internet. big difference.

i dont know how you gonna back up what you say. to my knowledge there hasnt been any studies on amino acids effects taken DURING training.
so all we got is your theory.

but since you also claim glutamine is wonderful (why otherwise would you include it in your products) it makes one wonder how much you really DO know since in that case, it's proven it adds nothing of value.

[Bluto]

Man sometimes I can't believe the disrespect Milos gets on this board.
The man is a legend!  He's competed in over 70 pro shows and is
producing some amazing athletes right now.  And guys have the balls
to tell him that he knows nothing!  Please give me a break, 95% of
the guys on this board are probably 150 pounds living at their mommy
and daddy house, working at macdonalds acting like their mr olympia.
Give the man respect he's a legend.

cant speak for others, but ive never said he knows nothing. milos knows a lot and i think it's great that he posts here.

take it easy tiger, it aint that serious.

[chaos]

link posted.
now shut the fuck up and go back to post racist threads you inbred trailer park trash redneck

hey thanks for posting a study that shows there was a difference using glutamine, only 1%, but that is glutamine alone and we are talking in conjunction with other BCAA's. The study I posted says without glutamine the other BCAA's and protien may be wasted.

And insults from some piece of shit too scared to post his pic after 20,000+ posts are absolutely useless. Are you mad America wouldn't let you in? euro-fag.

Don't worry MCWAY, the only bike I've been on lately has 125hp

[Bluto]

hey thanks for posting a study that shows there was a difference using glutamine, only 1%, but that is glutamine alone and we are talking in conjunction with other BCAA's. The study I posted says without glutamine the other BCAA's and protien may be wasted.

And insults from some piece of shit too scared to post his pic after 20,000+ posts are absolutely useless. Are you mad America wouldn't let you in? euro-fag.

Don't worry MCWAY, the only bike I've been on lately has 125hp

whats a euro fag? youre the nazi, dont you know where white americans originate from? american history x lessons for you
whats your missing photo or mine gotta do with anything?

i guess you me both are scared to post our pic, along with mos, always sore and a few other thousands members on here 

great point champ.

[Bluto]

Exactly how much glutamine were the subject taking, anyway? It certainly wouldn't be the first time someone used a study to claim that a supplement was worthless, only to find that, in that study, the subjects took a pitifully small amount of the supplement in question.

Don't worry, Chaos. As long as you stay off that bike, you should be alright.

here's a study that might be interesting

The effects of high-dose glutamine ingestion on weightlifting performance.

Antonio J, Sanders MS, Kalman D, Woodgate D, Street C.

Sports Science Laboratory, University of Delaware, Newark, Delaware 19716, USA.

The purpose of this study was to determine if high-dose glutamine ingestion affected weightlifting performance. In a double-blind, placebo-controlled, crossover study, 6 resistance-trained men (mean +/- SE: age, 21.5 +/- 0.3 years; weight, 76.5 +/- 2.8 kg(-1)) performed weightlifting exercises after the ingestion of glutamine or glycine (0.3 g x kg(-1)) mixed with calorie-free fruit juice or placebo (calorie-free fruit juice only). Each subject underwent each of the 3 treatments in a randomized order. One hour after ingestion, subjects performed 4 total sets of exercise to momentary muscular failure (2 sets of leg presses at 200% of body weight, 2 sets of bench presses at 100% of body weight). There were no differences in the average number of maximal repetitions performed in the leg press or bench press exercises among the 3 groups. These data indicate that the short-term ingestion of glutamine does not enhance weightlifting performance in resistance-trained men.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11834123&dopt=Abstract

[chaos]

wow, more short term studies

you post like you think you know everything, so you should post your pic so we can see what is giving out all this great advice

[Bluto]

wow, more short term studies

you post like you think you know everything, so you should post your pic so we can see what is giving out all this great advice

well you can object to any study, too short, too long, not enough of this, not combined with that or whatever. but bottom line is there doesnt seem to be a very strong case FOR glutamine. so i have no reason to believe in it. and i cant see why anyone else would either.
IF it works miracles - and there's a number of studies either proving that, or heading in that direction that would be great. im all for supplements that actually can be a benefit.

as for milos drink, i havent really commented on it. others have. and i dont know what you mean with giving out advice. i havent. but if you refer to glutamine, it does look like money could be put to better use elsewhere. im sure as hell not buying any any time soon.

[chaos]

well you can object to any study, too short, too long, not enough of this, not combined with that or whatever. but bottom line is there doesnt seem to be a very strong case FOR glutamine. so i have no reason to believe in it. and i cant see why anyone else would either.
IF it works miracles - and there's a number of studies either proving that, or heading in that direction that would be great. im all for supplements that actually can be a benefit.

as for milos drink, i havent really commented on it. others have. and i dont know what you mean with giving out advice. i havent. but if you refer to glutamine, it does look like money could be put to better use elsewhere. im sure as hell not buying any any time soon.

your first posted study was a good example at least it was 6 weeks. I'm not making any claims about glutamine alone, from the studies I've read on that site you posted, it seems to me glutamine is more beneficial with other BCAA's and protein than alone. That's what i was pointing out in your second study, they only supplemented with glutamine. So glutamine alone is not a significant amino, great, it did still show improvement, just not significant.

Now mixed with the BCAA's and protein, is it beneficial?
How beneficial are any of the other BCAA's when taken alone?

I'm asking because isn't the possibility there that these BCAA's need to work together and seperately their worth is questionable?

Oh, yeah, up yours you uppity euro-fag negro.

[real597]

Milos... I am kind of neutral on the whole 'buying your supplements or making my own'. I would want to try your line but I can only afford one jug at a time. Which shake (pre, during, and post-workout shakes) would you recommend if I were to only buy one.... Are any of them more important than the other? If so which is the most important to maximize one's growth. I figure I'll give it a try because as much as the haters will disagree, you sound like you know what your talking about. Thanks

[D.L. 5]

milos,

if someone just used the post-workout powder and added their own protien to it.

how much of a difference can we see in our results over time? will it be a visible results in ur opinion if we do everything else right (eat, train, etc)?

[D.L. 5]

2) Than as training beggins and blood flow start "flying" into the muscle - continuing delivering more (I claim MAXIMAL DOSAGE NEEDED) of those anabolic nutrients which will indeed also cause maximal output of the anabolic hormones which will in fact - transport all the nutrients instantly where they are needed the most - (just emptied muscle cells... ).
Or...you should continue missing THE BEST OPPORTUNITY TO GROW - as you are ignorant to realize that your muscles are overflowing in blood ONLY when you train?

does this apply for those that practice mike mentzer's h.i.t? my workouts only last 17-20 minutes with 4-5 sets per workout?

please let me know.

[SteelePegasus]

does this apply for those that practice mike mentzer's h.i.t? my workouts only last 17-20 minutes with 4-5 sets per workout?

please let me know.

20 / 4 = 5 min per set

figure that a set is probably 1 min long..you rest for 4 min?

[figure 1]

I tried the drink and this happened  Now what