BONES.. completely uneducated statement.. do you really think paris trains like he did when he was competing? do you really think he eats 6 meals a day now?... zane and the like you mentioned are done with the competitive side and no longer busttheir ass in the gym and eat like crazy and yes, do gear.. trust me, if paris really wanted to train heard, and eat like before and not take gear, he would still be pretty impressive.. gear is a great aid, but, anyone with common sense will tell ya that these guys are not training and living the bodybuilding lifestyle of training, eating ect.. hence, the "no muscle" look.. again , gear is a great help but, if your not training and eating ect you will shrink to nothing.. paris is big into cardio now.. very little weights..