Once and for all was Christopher Columbus Spaniard or Italian?

[bigbiceps]

Spaniards say he was from Spain and Italians say he was from Italy and change his name accordingly so what was his nationality? 

[Parker]

Spaniards say he was from Spain and Italians say he was from Italy and change his name accordingly so what was his nationality? 

Dude, everybody knows that Chris was a Italian who went to Spain and Queen Isabella (she was running the show) gave him the go ahead...
This was right after the Moors were driven from Spain, Portugal, and Italy.

[bigbiceps]

That's what Americans and Italians believe but Spaniards say otherwise. 

[suckmymuscle]

Spaniards say he was from Spain and Italians say he was from Italy and change his name accordingly so what was his nationality? 

  He was an Italian hired by the kingdom of Castilla who, after discovering America, received Spanish citizenship as well as a title of nobility.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[njflex]

  He was an Italian hired by the kingdom of Castilla who, after discovering America, received Spanish citizenship as well as a title of nobility.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

from genoa,italy christofo columbu sp?was birth name americanized and yes sailed under spain/portugal flag.nina ,pinta ,santa maria ,how many times as a kid did you recite those names?the italians embrace him as their own and will forever with gallaleo sp.davinci,michalangelo,caravaggio,et all..

[bigbiceps]

Yes, I'm fully aware that people believe he was from Genoa, Italy.  Cristoforo Colombo in italian and Cristobal Colon in spanish is embraced in Spain as one of the most imfluential Spaniards who ever lived. 

He's nationality according to Wikipedia.

 It is most widely accepted that Columbus was born in the Republic of Genoa, located in modern-day Italy.[1] 188 official documents, notarial, judicial, administrative about Columbus and his family, exist in the "Archivio di Stato" (national record office) of Genoa, Italy.[2] Other theories exist that he may have been Spanish or Portuguese, but no proof has ever been determined. Clues to Columbus' origin such as learned languages and DNA samples have been studied, but to date, DNA tests to show that Columbus was caucasian and probably not a Sephardic Jew (Spanish/Portuguese).

[24KT]

While enroute one of his sailors threw a dagger which lodged in the wall right beside his head, ...he ordered all the tips & sharp edges of all daggers aboard all three ships be shaved down to prevent further attempts on his life before reaching land, ...and thus invented the butter knife. 

[CalvinH]

...and thus invented the butter knife. 

aahhh...but that brings up a whole new question.who invented the term
"butterface"

[Parker]

And his Navigator was a Mulatto, not knowing that was helping to pave the way for the transatlantic slave trade....But oh, well, he did have VD.

[krendan]

well, once his ship wrecked on the portuguese shore,he reached that same shore and then he lived some time in portugal,learning all he could before asking the portuguese king a chance to do that trip(which the king denied) so he went to the portuguese enemys to ask for that chance(spain).If I'm not mistanken there were done some studies and the only thing they concluded was that he was definetly not that italian one...all in all...who cares? he learned from portugal and made sucess in spain,it's all that matters


ps: Portugal in the XV century \m/

[K-1]

He was a bro. c'mon playa! Thought u knew!

[amc1980]

I saw a programme about black power groups once and they were claiming all kinds of historical figures were black...Shakespeare, Henry viii and even Tom Jones!

[krendan]

inferiority complex? must be because one third of the world is asian(china),then lots and lots of black people, but europeans have had the greatest effects on the world history....c'mon...and don't say "malcom X" and all that because...really...what as that done in favor of the world progress? lol

[K-1]

inferiority complex? must be because one third of the world is asian(china),then lots and lots of black people, but europeans have had the greatest effects on the world history....c'mon...and don't say "malcom X" and all that because...really...what as that done in favor of the world progress? lol

Meltdown in 2 posts.

[krendan]

lol...after reading so much and never posting...i think i had a meltdown long ago lol

but really,any more info on columbus?

[K-1]

lol...after reading so much and never posting...i think i had a meltdown long ago lol

I hear ya! Welcome to hell then! 

[G.R.H.]

let the spanish &  mexicans have their cinco de mayo holiday! columbus was italian! let the italians have their holiday!   

[Hustle Man]

...europeans have had the greatest effects on the world history...

You are correct, europeans have had the greatest Most Negative effect on the world! Where ever they go they usually fuck things up and leave it fucked up for generations and generations to come!

If you look throughout history Europeans (and their many of their descendants) are culpable for a great number of Man's inhumanity to man! Greedy, conniving, backstabbing Bastards!

But I love european women though! Haa cha chaaaaaaaaa!!!

[Alex23]

You are correct, europeans have had the greatest Most Negative effect on the world! Where ever they go they usually fuck things up and leave it fucked up for generations and generations to come!

If you look throughout history Europeans (and their many of their descendants) are culpable for a great number of Man's inhumanity to man! Greedy, conniving, backstabbing Bastards!

But I love european women though! Haa cha chaaaaaaaaa!!!

Hahah ok Mr "case against humanity"

Who invented democracy, free market, modern medecine and  combustion engine...

[Faust]

You are correct, europeans have had the greatest Most Negative effect on the world! Where ever they go they usually fuck things up and leave it fucked up for generations and generations to come!

If you look throughout history Europeans (and their many of their descendants) are culpable for a great number of Man's inhumanity to man! Greedy, conniving, backstabbing Bastards!

Don't hold back man, tell us what you really think about those devils and their laws!

[Parker]

I saw a programme about black power groups once and they were claiming all kinds of historical figures were black...Shakespeare, Henry viii and even Tom Jones!

You need to get off whatever you were tripping on, nobody ever claimed that stuff...

Now in National Geographic it was confirmed that his Navigator was a mulatto but had a veneral disease (I forgot which one), and so did others.

now Mozart was part Moor, that has been confirmed...but you stated something ridiculous. Now with Tom Jones being Italian, there is a good change he has Moorish blood running thru him, if so , then, that means African blood...I needn't go on anymore because this was discussed about 10 months ago with "Realkarateblackbelt"

It's ironic how Columbus used Moorish maps to navigate, but Ferdinand and Isabella were celebrating that the Moors were pushed out of Spain... 

[Hustle Man]

Hahah ok Mr "case against humanity"

Who invented democracy, free market, modern medecine and  combustion engine...

You tell me? Surely you are not saying Europeans were the first to create these these things? Europeans stole ideas and probably improved upon the ideas but were not the first; especially when it comes to medicine! Anyway where are they now?  If it were not for the USA most of europe would be speaking German right now.

[krendan]

it's true we learned a lot from the moors but i think the maps and sailing knowledge came from phoenicians and other mediterranean people because they were once great sailors and portugal/spain were the gateway to the then unkown....what matters is that we learned from the moors and then kicked their ass out lol

[suckmymuscle]

inferiority complex? must be because one third of the world is asian(china),then lots and lots of black people, but europeans have had the greatest effects on the world history....c'mon...and don't say "malcom X" and all that because...really...what as that done in favor of the world progress? lol

  From a statistical point of view, Caucasians have invented practically all there is the case, and "civilization" is almost synonymous with "White man's way of living". But then, this is really not a fair contest, because Whites have an innate genetic advantage in intelligence and creativity, which takes away from the merits of this achievements. This is the reason why I give far more props to a Black who graduates in engineering or medicine than to a White: it is much harder for them, because they have less innate intelligence. This is also the reason why I give far more props to a White in sports like running, basketball and boxinge than to a Black one: Blacks have an innate genetic advantage over Whites, so the White athlete reaching  that level represents a much greater achievement.

  When you really think about it, Whites have more to ashamed off than proud. For all of the marvellous technology and scientific achievements that Whites have made, their intelligence has created weapons that can destroy entire planets. Ultimately, if this planet is destroyed and all life wiped out, it will be the fault of Whites and the advanced technology created by their scientific genius.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[amc1980]

You need to get off whatever you were tripping on, nobody ever claimed that stuff...

Now in National Geographic it was confirmed that his Navigator was a mulatto but had a veneral disease (I forgot which one), and so did others.

now Mozart was part Moor, that has been confirmed...but you stated something ridiculous. Now with Tom Jones being Italian, there is a good change he has Moorish blood running thru him, if so , then, that means African blood...I needn't go on anymore because this was discussed about 10 months ago with "Realkarateblackbelt"

It's ironic how Columbus used Moorish maps to navigate, but Ferdinand and Isabella were celebrating that the Moors were pushed out of Spain... 

I have found the clip. Watch and learn, Parker:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCrK5n_7zBM

And by the way, Tom Jones is not Italian, he is Welsh. His dark looks are due to his Celtic heritage.