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« on: March 20, 2017, 04:06:26 PM »

For example take this hypothetical scenario of Jane and Jill.

Jane is single and has chosen not to have children. When she has sex she makes sure to use protection and will not hesitate to abort a bastard child if her birth control failed. She works a modest job making $15 per hour. She pays monthly for her health insurance and does not qualify for food stamps or any other subsidy as her income is "too high".

Jill is also single. She uses the pull out method for bc but sometimes (often) just lets the dude nut in her vag. She has 3 unwanted children. She receives welfare, housing assistance, food stamps, and govt paid childcare for when she is out "looking for a job". She did try working this year but quit after 6 months because it was too hard. Thankfully when she does her taxes she will get a $3,000 child tax credit and $5,000 earned income tax credit, at the expense of those of us who pay taxes.

Why do we give so much to Jill for being a fuckup? Wouldn't it be better if she had to repay all the subsidies.
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« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2017, 04:42:14 PM »

For example take this hypothetical scenario of Jane and Jill.

Jane is single and has chosen not to have children. When she has sex she makes sure to use protection and will not hesitate to abort a bastard child if her birth control failed. She works a modest job making $15 per hour. She pays monthly for her health insurance and does not qualify for food stamps or any other subsidy as her income is "too high".

Jill is also single. She uses the pull out method for bc but sometimes (often) just lets the dude nut in her vag. She has 3 unwanted children. She receives welfare, housing assistance, food stamps, and govt paid childcare for when she is out "looking for a job". She did try working this year but quit after 6 months because it was too hard. Thankfully when she does her taxes she will get a $3,000 child tax credit and $5,000 earned income tax credit, at the expense of those of us who pay taxes.

Why do we give so much to Jill for being a fuckup? Wouldn't it be better if she had to repay all the subsidies.

Because we won't watch innocent children suffer.  That's why.  And thank goodness for it.

The only solution is to maintain a cash incentive for individuals to chill on reproduction, either by delaying it or refusing it altogether.  It's one of the few things which can pay for itself several times over, and it's also the only clear path forward: since no amount of brow-beating and/or grunts of disgust will change fucked-up behavior.

Want a way to separate the serious from the trifling, where no one gets hurt?   There you go.

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« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2017, 04:45:21 PM »

Because we won't watch innocent children suffer.  That's why.  And thank goodness for it.

The only solution is to maintain a cash incentive for individuals to chill on reproduction, either by delaying it or refusing it altogether.  It's one of the few things which can pay for itself several times over, and it's also the only clear path forward: since no amount of brow-beating and/or grunts of disgust will change fucked-up behavior.

Want a way to separate the serious from the trifling, where no one gets hurt?   There you go.



I knew that was the short answer, however there is never any recourse for the parent. Which leads to more irresponsible behavior. I don't have a perfect solution but if we had the irresponsible party pay back all or part of the subsidy perhaps it would motivate them to get their shit together and be responsible.
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« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2017, 05:07:46 PM »

I knew that was the short answer, however there is never any recourse for the parent. Which leads to more irresponsible behavior. I don't have a perfect solution but if we had the irresponsible party pay back all or part of the subsidy perhaps it would motivate them to get their shit together and be responsible.

Which will lead to Debtor Prison and we'll take a giant leap backwards.

No, I respect what you're saying.  Nothing gets me worse than individuals who basically throw down kids.  Yeah, if it were up to me they'd pay for that with an ass-kicking if nothing else.  But of course it's their children who pay, instead, until they're old enough to reproduce, themselves, and suddenly now they are the guilty ones, and on and on.

Like I say, there's only one humane way to handle the problem and it happens to be the most economically sensible thing to do.  I know they say money is the root of all evil, but maybe this is the one case in which that's not true.
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« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2017, 06:08:49 AM »

The only solution is to maintain a cash incentive for individuals to chill on reproduction, either by delaying it or refusing it altogether.

Pay them to be responsible?

I know they say money is the root of all evil, but maybe this is the one case in which that's not true.

The saying is not that money itself is the root of all evil, but that the love of money is the root of all evil.
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« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2017, 10:43:36 AM »

Pay them to be responsible?

Investment.  The best one imaginable.

Only someone who enjoys seeing the suffering could disagree.

The saying is not that money itself is the root of all evil, but that the love of money is the root of all evil.

So it's something that, if loved, becomes evil.  Thank you for that.

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« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2017, 11:08:07 AM »

Which will lead to Debtor Prison and we'll take a giant leap backwards.

No, I respect what you're saying.  Nothing gets me worse than individuals who basically throw down kids.  Yeah, if it were up to me they'd pay for that with an ass-kicking if nothing else.  But of course it's their children who pay, instead, until they're old enough to reproduce, themselves, and suddenly now they are the guilty ones, and on and on.

Like I say, there's only one humane way to handle the problem and it happens to be the most economically sensible thing to do.  I know they say money is the root of all evil, but maybe this is the one case in which that's not true.

Great post and deals with the practical end of the issue.
I'm 100% against having unwanted children or kids you can't afford.

BUT, once the kid is here, what can you do?
It's immoral to let some kid starve or die alone in the cold.

Sometimes the value of human life is a higher calling then a political ideal.
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« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2017, 11:16:42 AM »

Great post and deals with the practical end of the issue.
I'm 100% against having unwanted children or kids you can't afford.

BUT, once the kid is here, what can you do?
It's immoral to let some kid starve or die alone in the cold.

Sometimes the value of human life is a higher calling then a political ideal.

Yes, but it's really interesting, because some individuals may find that they prefer the suffering for some sick reason (without realizing it in any other way).

The economics of it force that into reality, due to its sensibility.
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« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2017, 11:32:24 AM »

So it's something that, if loved, becomes evil.  Thank you for that.

Money is not evil.  Even if loved, money doesn't become evil.  It's the love of it that's the root of all evil.
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« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2017, 11:37:21 AM »

Money is not evil.  Even if loved, money doesn't become evil.  It's the love of it that's the root of all evil.

Does it cause evil to arise from an existing condition within the person, do you think?
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« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2017, 11:38:22 AM »

Investment.  The best one imaginable.

Only someone who enjoys seeing the suffering could disagree.

The Great Society was a set of domestic programs in the United States first announced by President Lyndon B. Johnson at Ohio University, then at University of Michigan, and subsequently promoted by him and fellow Democrats in Congress in the 1960s. Two main goals of the Great Society social reforms were the elimination of poverty and racial injustice. New major spending programs that addressed education, medical care, urban problems, and transportation were launched during this period.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Society

Economist Thomas Sowell argues that the Great Society programs only contributed to the destruction of African American families, saying "the black family, which had survived centuries of slavery and discrimination, began rapidly disintegrating in the liberal welfare state that subsidized unwed pregnancy and changed welfare from an emergency rescue to a way of life."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Society#African-American_family_structure

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« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2017, 11:44:21 AM »

Does it cause evil to arise from an existing condition within the person, do you think?

Probably so.  It originates from the Bible, and it's often misquoted as saying that money itself is the root of all evil.

1 Timothy 6:9-11
9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.
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« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2017, 11:44:45 AM »

The Great Society was a set of domestic programs in the United States first announced by President Lyndon B. Johnson at Ohio University, then at University of Michigan, and subsequently promoted by him and fellow Democrats in Congress in the 1960s. Two main goals of the Great Society social reforms were the elimination of poverty and racial injustice. New major spending programs that addressed education, medical care, urban problems, and transportation were launched during this period.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Society

Economist Thomas Sowell argues that the Great Society programs only contributed to the destruction of African American families, saying "the black family, which had survived centuries of slavery and discrimination, began rapidly disintegrating in the liberal welfare state that subsidized unwed pregnancy and changed welfare from an emergency rescue to a way of life."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Society#African-American_family_structure

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Yes, I can't imagine a worse fate for humanity, than to have a situation which allows a love for money to create otherwise "unwanted" children.
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« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2017, 11:50:13 AM »

Probably so.  It originates from the Bible, and it's often misquoted as saying that money itself is the root of all evil.

1 Timothy 6:10
For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

Maybe it's so easily misquoted because it seems to take heat off the person and put it on the money, instead.  Good call.
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« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2017, 11:50:52 AM »

Maybe it's so easily misquoted because it seems to take heat off the person and put it on the money, instead.  Good call.

Maybe so.
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« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2017, 11:57:43 AM »

If we can't allow children to suffer hunger and deprivation, while at the same time we must guard against the natural course of preventing it (namely individuals producing kids only for the 'reward' of money) then it seems we're given only one choice as a society.
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« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2017, 03:55:35 PM »

Probably so.  It originates from the Bible, and it's often misquoted as saying that money itself is the root of all evil.

1 Timothy 6:9-11
9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.
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" The holy bunny shall take a firm carrot where thy sun don't shine"  gospel of TBombz , Book of Butt Bunny

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« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2017, 04:16:01 PM »

From the Gospel of TBombz

" Anal sex is natures most effective birth control "  gospel of NON-homo sex verse 69

" The holy bunny shall take a firm carrot where thy sun don't shine"  gospel of TBombz , Book of Butt Bunny



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