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Re: Southwest Airlines
« Reply #25 on: November 17, 2007, 01:17:54 PM »
I agree, but neither one of them handled this appropriately IMO.  Southwest shouldn't have kicked her off the plane.  Her clothes looked fine to me.  And she shouldn't have made a federal case out of this.  She should simply fly on another airline.  Still, they both wound up profiting from this. 

Reminds me of the time Hertz disrespected my wife several years ago.  I wrote a letter to the company to complain about it.  Didn't like their response and have never used their service since.  And I rent a lot for business.  Only use Budget.
So she went wrong when she talked to the media about it  :-\  It wasn't a federal case, it was talked about for a pretty short time.  Shit, I want to know what companies act like this, I don't want people to feel they shouldn't talk about their bad exeriences.  That's the name of the game, word of mouth advertising is both good and bad and companies have benefited and been hurt by customers who have been satified or wronged.  If the trangression is big enough, the word might just make news--GOOD!

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Re: Southwest Airlines
« Reply #26 on: November 17, 2007, 01:29:59 PM »
I agree, but neither one of them handled this appropriately IMO.  Southwest shouldn't have kicked her off the plane.  Her clothes looked fine to me.  And she shouldn't have made a federal case out of this.  She should simply fly on another airline.  Still, they both wound up profiting from this. 

Reminds me of the time Hertz disrespected my wife several years ago.  I wrote a letter to the company to complain about it.  Didn't like their response and have never used their service since.  And I rent a lot for business.  Only use Budget.

 when you buy a plane ticket you are agreeing on a document that says you can be kicked off the flight at any point. they dont need a reason, simple as that

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Re: Southwest Airlines
« Reply #27 on: November 17, 2007, 01:34:59 PM »
when you buy a plane ticket you are agreeing on a document that says you can be kicked off the flight at any point. they dont need a reason, simple as that
And she doesn't need a reason to be disgruntled!  Sort of the customer's user agreement.  If they don't want pissed off customers bitching about their bad experience, maybe they'll rethink how they do business... Again this has been the name of the game for a long time.  I see nothing wrong with it unless there are lies involved which doesn't look to be the case here.

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Re: Southwest Airlines
« Reply #28 on: November 17, 2007, 02:25:14 PM »
Leave it to some skank to justify posing in Playboy to get "positive" publicity after a company threw her off a plane.  I guess she just wanted to get her "good name back". 
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Re: Southwest Airlines
« Reply #29 on: November 17, 2007, 03:06:41 PM »
Well Playboy is hardly XXX Porn...  It's actually far less explicit than much of the Art of previous periods.  Playboy didn't humilate her, Southwest on the other hand?

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Re: Southwest Airlines
« Reply #30 on: November 17, 2007, 03:33:15 PM »
Well Playboy is hardly XXX Porn...  It's actually far less explicit than much of the Art of previous periods.  Playboy didn't humilate her, Southwest on the other hand?
She is now an explicit (in comparison to her skirt and low cut shirt pics) sexual object to thousands of men.  Another college girl who can't wait to get naked for a camera because she is desperate for attention.  She may not feel humiliated by this but she is a joke now whereas before she was just a victim in the minds of some people.  If someone complained then the company has an obligation to act.  I've been on another airline with a screaming girl who wanted to sit next to her mom and the father said no until the final 5 minutes of the flight.  I rang the attendant bell a number of times and all but screamed at the lady to do something and she kissed the dad's ass and he told her that everything was fine.  I wish more airlines did what Southwest did/does.
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Re: Southwest Airlines
« Reply #31 on: November 17, 2007, 05:00:43 PM »
cap, I think you're blowing the playboy thing way out of proportion.  Posing for playboy is nothing...  Had she signed a contract with Wicked Entertainment, you might have my attention.  Playboy is pretty tasteful and there was nothing unfamily friendly about her outfit when she got on that plane. 

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Re: Southwest Airlines
« Reply #32 on: November 17, 2007, 07:44:05 PM »
So she went wrong when she talked to the media about it  :-\  It wasn't a federal case, it was talked about for a pretty short time.  Shit, I want to know what companies act like this, I don't want people to feel they shouldn't talk about their bad exeriences.  That's the name of the game, word of mouth advertising is both good and bad and companies have benefited and been hurt by customers who have been satified or wronged.  If the trangression is big enough, the word might just make news--GOOD!

Yes.  She was on The Today Show and the Dr. Phil Show.  Sounds like a federal case to me.  She was kicked off an airplane.  Nobody died.  Nobody lost their job.  Nobody was hurt.  Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill.  She sounds like an opportunist to me.  Posing for Playboy proves that (to me anyway).   

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Re: Southwest Airlines
« Reply #33 on: November 17, 2007, 07:46:44 PM »
Leave it to some skank to justify posing in Playboy to get "positive" publicity after a company threw her off a plane.  I guess she just wanted to get her "good name back". 

lol . . . Yes.  She got her good name back by "tastefully" taking off her clothes and posing naked in a magazine for money. 

I always find it funny when women say they "tastefully" posed naked in a magazine.  lol . . .

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Re: Southwest Airlines
« Reply #34 on: November 17, 2007, 08:02:27 PM »
playboy is not tasteful?  What are you guys, the American Taliban :-\

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Re: Southwest Airlines
« Reply #35 on: November 17, 2007, 08:08:25 PM »
playboy is not tasteful?  What are you guys, the American Taliban :-\
It's still pornography no matter how you look at it.  Just because she wasn't getting rammed by a foot long doesn't change that.  She took off her clothes to get back some dignity that was lost by being told to pull her skirt down.  Do you not see the irony?  Do you respect Hugh Hefner's girlfriends or any other woman who you've seen in Playboy?  For men who see this chick, she's just another girl in the "spank bank" and a whore or slut to other women.
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Re: Southwest Airlines
« Reply #36 on: November 17, 2007, 08:16:43 PM »
por·nog·ra·phy     
obscene writings, drawings, photographs, or the like, esp. those having little or no artistic merit.

Playboy definitely has artistic merit.
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Re: Southwest Airlines
« Reply #37 on: November 17, 2007, 08:25:41 PM »
por·nog·ra·phy       (pôr-nŏg'rə-fē)  Pronunciation Key
n. 
   1. Sexually explicit pictures, writing, or other material whose primary purpose is to cause sexual arousal.
   2. The presentation or production of this material.
   3. Lurid or sensational material

pornography
noun
creative activity (writing or pictures or films etc.) of no literary or artistic value other than to stimulate sexual desire


Say what you will about Playboy's cartoons and jokes, you buy the magazine for a "hard on" not for the artistic merit of the pictures.

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Re: Southwest Airlines
« Reply #38 on: November 17, 2007, 09:15:58 PM »
por·nog·ra·phy       (pôr-nŏg'rə-fē)  Pronunciation Key
n. 
   1. Sexually explicit pictures, writing, or other material whose primary purpose is to cause sexual arousal.
   2. The presentation or production of this material.
   3. Lurid or sensational material

pornography
noun
creative activity (writing or pictures or films etc.) of no literary or artistic value other than to stimulate sexual desire


Say what you will about Playboy's cartoons and jokes, you buy the magazine for a "hard on" not for the artistic merit of the pictures.


guy, unless you're a teenager, you don't want a playboy to rub one out...  You will have a hard time arguing there is zero artistic merit to playboy.  It's true, this is a fine line that has been argued to death by many people but even so, it shouldn't be hard to see from playboy layouts that they explore the sensuality of the subject more than just exploiting the subject as is done in hardcore.  Hell, the images in playboy are more tasteful to the subject than some magazines that don't show any nudity.

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Re: Southwest Airlines
« Reply #39 on: November 17, 2007, 09:21:17 PM »
guy, unless you're a teenager, you don't want a playboy to rub one out...  You will have a hard time arguing there is zero artistic merit to playboy.  It's true, this is a fine line that has been argued to death by many people but even so, it shouldn't be hard to see from playboy layouts that they explore the sensuality of the subject more than just exploiting the subject as is done in hardcore.  Hell, the images in playboy are more tasteful to the subject than some magazines that don't show any nudity.
Reasons for Playboy
1.) get a boner and likely masturbate
2.) if you get caught with porn, better Playboy than Hustler
3.) possibly jokes and political cartoons?
4.) You feel like less of a pervert than having a mag of a chick getting railed up the ass
5.) You save the good stuff for the internet

Honestly, Playboy is not over the top but it is meant for horny men and that is why it will always sell.  If you buy the magazine for its artistic qualities then I dunno dude.
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Re: Southwest Airlines
« Reply #40 on: November 17, 2007, 09:36:15 PM »
Well I know the girls are hot and pleasant to look at, but the last time I yanked one out to a playboy was in my teens. It's really pin-up, sensual, sexy but not what I would call an exploitation or without any artistic merit.  If you had to pick one magazine out of all the magazines out there that could be considered as having artistic merit, isn't playboy the one and only candidate?

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Re: Southwest Airlines
« Reply #41 on: November 18, 2007, 02:08:27 AM »
She is now an explicit (in comparison to her skirt and low cut shirt pics) sexual object to thousands of men.  Another college girl who can't wait to get naked for a camera because she is desperate for attention.  She may not feel humiliated by this but she is a joke now whereas before she was just a victim in the minds of some people.

She was ALWAYS a sexual object. Had she not been objectified as such to begin with, such complaints would neither have risen, nor would the airline employees felt the need to act on it. That was the humiliation done to her. By even validating those passenger complaints by punishing an innocent person, she was reduced to a sexual object, and victimized by SouthWest employees

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  If someone complained then the company has an obligation to act.  I've been on another airline with a screaming girl who wanted to sit next to her mom and the father said no until the final 5 minutes of the flight.  I rang the attendant bell a number of times and all but screamed at the lady to do something and she kissed the dad's ass and he told her that everything was fine.  I wish more airlines did what Southwest did/does.

Your situation does not compare to the SW incident. One cannot choose to block their ability to hear, however, one can choose not to look at another person, ...especially when it requires an exerted, extraordinary effort to do so. Action against the passenger on SW was unwarranted, and undeserved.

In the incident you experienced, it appears the Dad was the decision maker who acted improperly but for some reason you blame "the lady". Which lady were you referring to? The mother of the child, or the airline employee? It is unclear to me, since you have chosen to reduce the individual of which you speak to nothing more than her gender.  >:(

Consider for a moment the ramifications of dealing with a child, or taking physical charge of a child, especially in the presence of, and over the explicit expressed objections of a physical custodial parent, when no apparent or imminent risk is present to anyone's safety.

I do sympathize with you though, 'cause I have been there on a very long flight to LA, only in my case the screaming child was not a 5 yr old but a newborn babe. I had been up all night packing and was looking forward to a long peaceful rest on that flight, but a freak snowstorm that morning covered most runways with snow, resulting in a 2 hr delay taking off while our plane was de-iced. The newborn was seated right next to the engines which needed to be revved during and subsequent to de-icing, and stay revved prior to departure. We sat on the tarmac for 2 hrs... the engines roaring the entire time. Then after taking off, the change in altitude and pressurization of the cabin, did nothing to relieve her ordeal. That baby screamed throughout the entire flight. But when I looked at it from the child's perspective, my annoyance turned to heartfelt sympathy for the child, because I knew that poor little thing had absolutely no idea what was happening to her, where that huge roar was coming from, or why her tiny little eardrums were exploding. I no longer saw her screaming as the thing that was preventing me from getting some much needed rest, but rather the indications that that sweet innocent child was not getting the peaceful rest that she sorely needed. With that perspective, my discomfort became far more bareable, and rather insignificant by comparison.
 
I do think both of you are completely missing the point tho. Arguing whether Playboy magazine has artistic merit or not, is pornography or not, ...is above the standards of Hustler, Bang Bros, Wicked Entertainment, or Necrophilia Today is irrelevant. To view her subsequent decision to pose nude, 'tastefully or otherwise', as some sort of validation for the stupid decision made by SW employees that day is a specious argument that not only stinks of arrogant, self-righteous, chauvanism, but reveals an ignorance regarding women, and their need to own their own sexuality. Those who understand women, may properly interpret her decision to pose for Playboy as cathartic, allowing her to reclaim ownership of her sexuality on her terms, ...as opposed to opportunism, or being a "slut".  ::)

I don't give a poop is she later chose to do a FULL ON no holds barred explicitly graphic XXX layout for Necrophilia Today, the bottom line is she WAS mistreated by airline employees who mishandled the situation. They DO have an obligation to address passenger complaints, but that obligation neither carries with it, nor implies the imperative to cater to a complainant's outrageous desires or skewed perspective, by punishing the object of that complaint. She committed no violations and did not deserve to be mistreated, or threatened with removal from the plane for not catering to the improper demands of prudish passenger prejudice, or the complicitous madness of megalomaniacal airline employees, when neither her conduct, nor her attire as an airline passenger was in any way improper.

I will at least give KUDOs to the airline for not further compounding their hypocritical mistake, by adding some stupid arbitrary 'after-the-fact' "passenger apparel code", to seemingly justify their improper and hypocritical actions to begin with.


And as for kh300's comment saying that

when you buy a plane ticket you are agreeing on a document that says you can be kicked off the flight at any point. they dont need a reason, simple as that

... try having a flight attendant kicking someone off in mid-flight at cruising altitude, and see how far they get invoking that clause.

That BS mob rule mentally didn't go so well for the airlines right after 911, when they catered to outrageous passenger complaints by kicking a US federal marshall off the plane because he was "dark skinned & Middle eastern looking", why should anyone think it should work now in the case of a woman already strapped into her seat minding her own business? Have any of you even flown on an airplane? Do you have any idea how difficult it is to even see all of your fellow passengers without having to strain your neck in a deliberate attempt to do so?   ::)

If she is an opportunist, as Beach Bum believes her to be, ...it simply underscores the poor judgement exercised by those employees by providing her with a perfect platform to show the world what a stupid myopic decision they made.

The fact that they even felt they had the right to cater to such ridiculousness, or make such megalomaniacal demands, as well as the fact that this is even being debated at all, is indicative of a growing prudish & fascist police-state mentality taking root in your society right under your noses... You are all like frogs ...slowly being cooked, ...and some even welcome it. Makes me wonder how soon it'll be before some in the pot start citing the need for a little butter & garlic at the ready... to make them more palateable before they're devoured. <spit>
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Re: Southwest Airlines
« Reply #42 on: November 18, 2007, 08:06:08 AM »
Jag-I am referring to the flight attendant who received numerous complaints and simply shrugged the problem off.  She could have right out and said that customers were complaining about the noise and that he needed to do something immediately.  She just asked if everything was okay with the child to which he answered "yes". 

In terms of the girl owning her sexuality, give me a break.  If she or you think that this young woman will gain any respect from others or herself then women need a reality check.  Being asked to cover up by ANOTHER passenger who is offended is not a big deal.  If the picture depicts the actual way the outfit was presented and not just the same articles of clothing then I agree there is no real issue but someone thought there was.  Maybe it was a Mormon mother, a former beauty queen who gained 80 lbs or tranny who was mad her legs looked better in the skirt.  Regardless, the company has a responsibility to act.  I know a lot about Arizona weather and I think she would have survived if she had worn something else or covered up the way she did. 
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Re: Southwest Airlines
« Reply #43 on: November 18, 2007, 04:50:26 PM »
This is really ironic.  Woman complains to the media about her skirt not being too short then takes off all her clothes for a magazine spread.   ::)

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Re: Southwest Airlines
« Reply #44 on: November 18, 2007, 05:12:41 PM »
Kyla Ebbert Uncensored Photos From Playboy Shoot
by Mike Baron


Kyla Ebbert is no longer the girl next door who showed too much skin on an airline - she's now reduced herself to proving the entire world right.

Kyla Ebbert, who many say "wasn't" dressed inappropriately on the South West air flight, has still proven everyone right - she's just a sex kitten who got pissy when she was told to cover up. Waah.

Kyla Ebbert was wearing a very short white skirt with a tanktop and a short, cropped sweater that revealed cleavage down to her nipples when she boarded the flight.

She's a Hooter's waitress from San Diego.


Kyla has appeared on several TV shows trying to prove that she "wasn't" dressed inappropriately - I got news for ya, Kyla - most of your generation and younger dress inappropriately.


Regardless, the 23-year-old college student now appears in a series of pictures for Playboy - some in lingerie, some nude - under the heading, "Legs in the Air." She is also now featured in a sexual teaser video. What a shocker.

Check out the censored photos and video at Playboy - she may not have been nude on the flight, but wait 'til you see these.



Here is the classy artistic lady trying to regain her woman hood and respect.   ::)  http://www.buck1690.com/Kyla-Ebbert/
Like I said, just another excuse for some skank to justify taking her clothes off.  She is no different than the other college girls in the Sex board thread.
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Re: Southwest Airlines
« Reply #45 on: November 18, 2007, 05:41:41 PM »



 Have any of you even flown on an airplane? Do you have any idea how difficult it is to even see all of your fellow passengers without having to strain your neck in a deliberate attempt to do so?   ::)



hardly ever ::)..

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Re: Southwest Airlines
« Reply #46 on: November 18, 2007, 05:50:43 PM »

And as for kh300's comment saying that

... try having a flight attendant kicking someone off in mid-flight at cruising altitude, and see how far they get invoking that clause.

That BS mob rule mentally didn't go so well for the airlines right after 911, when they catered to outrageous passenger complaints by kicking a US federal marshall off the plane because he was "dark skinned & Middle eastern looking", why should anyone think it should work now in the case of a woman already strapped into her seat minding her own business? Have any of you even flown on an airplane? Do you have any idea how difficult it is to even see all of your fellow passengers without having to strain your neck in a deliberate attempt to do so?   ::)



at check in is when an airline can kick someone off.. if they dont like your attitude, the way your dressed, if you smell..etc... mid flight, if your causing a problem its done by an air marshall, when available, or a flight deck officer..

pre 911 air marshalls were employed by the faa. now they are under DHS. big big difference

now what the fuck is this supposed to mean?

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Re: Southwest Airlines
« Reply #47 on: November 19, 2007, 07:02:51 AM »
Jag-I am referring to the flight attendant who received numerous complaints and simply shrugged the problem off.  She could have right out and said that customers were complaining about the noise and that he needed to do something immediately.  She just asked if everything was okay with the child to which he answered "yes". 

Well in that case, I definitely see your point.

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In terms of the girl owning her sexuality, give me a break.  If she or you think that this young woman will gain any respect from others

Women looking to reclaim ownership of their sexuality are not necessarily looking for anyone's respect.

Walk into any strip joint and ask yourself what the woman in there want from you apart from money.

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or herself then women need a reality check.  Being asked to cover up by ANOTHER passenger who is offended is not a big deal.  If the picture depicts the actual way the outfit was presented and not just the same articles of clothing then I agree there is no real issue but someone thought there was.  Maybe it was a Mormon mother, a former beauty queen who gained 80 lbs or tranny who was mad her legs looked better in the skirt.  Regardless, the company has a responsibility to act.  I know a lot about Arizona weather and I think she would have survived if she had worn something else or covered up the way she did. 

Ya, but like I said, a responsibility to act doesn't carry with it the obligation to punish an innocent person to satisfy a complainant. That would be like me complaining that someone is wearing a GWB T-shirt. Lord knows I'd find the site of that man's face one of the most offensive things to look at, but would an attendant be justified in demanding the wearer cover it up or face removal from the plane?
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Re: Southwest Airlines
« Reply #48 on: November 19, 2007, 07:10:48 AM »
at check in is when an airline can kick someone off.. if they dont like your attitude, the way your dressed, if you smell..etc...


ahhh, ...but that's not what you said is it?

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mid flight, if your causing a problem its done by an air marshall, when available, or a flight deck officer..

and how does an air marshall kick someone off a plane midflight?

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pre 911 air marshalls were employed by the faa. now they are under DHS. big big difference

now what the fuck is this supposed to mean?

If what you say is true that DHS can kill someone on any flight without having a reason,
then your society is even more far gone than I had thought.
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Re: Southwest Airlines
« Reply #49 on: November 19, 2007, 07:21:19 AM »

Here is the classy artistic lady trying to regain her woman hood and respect.   ::)  http://www.buck1690.com/Kyla-Ebbert/
Like I said, just another excuse for some skank to justify taking her clothes off.  She is no different than the other college girls in the Sex board thread.

What I said was "reclaim her sexuality"  NOT 'regain her womanhood'  ::)
There's a big difference between the two. I'm not surprised tho that you use them interchangeably.
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