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Re: Is cardio better on an empty stomach first thing in AM - and why?
« Reply #50 on: October 22, 2007, 11:06:19 AM »
So by your logic, it doesn't matter whether the calories burned are from amino acids in the blood, glycogen in the muscle or fat stored in adipose tissue.

The amount of calories burned in the AM may well be identical to the amount burned in the PM, but a larger % of them come from stored bodyfat because of:
1.  Reduced glycogen stores
2.  Lack of elevated insulin levels
3.  Stored bodyfat being the immediate source of energy (assuming we're talking low-intensity cardio).

Your argument makes no sense.

My argument makes no sense?

All the points you made are correct...but you are assuming your bodys first priority is to burn fat and hold onto muscle (just take some EFA's!)  it is not...thats why bodybuilding is a challenge...!

Going along with your argument, you burn fat before breakfast by creating the defecit/activity...what happens after...your body restores the glycogen, any excess calories are stored as fat( there is a calorie surplus)......the rub is if you dont eat enough calories to replace the glycogen, youll be depleted, overtrained and soon catabolic.  

You are an example of someone whose education came from MuscleMag, and you've never stepped onstage and held a trophy.  You are lost in the details, and cant comprehend the big picture.  

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Re: Is cardio better on an empty stomach first thing in AM - and why?
« Reply #51 on: October 22, 2007, 11:07:48 AM »
Its funny...people argue constantly about where the fuel for A.M. cardio comes from, but ultimately it doesnt matter.  What matters is creating a calorie deficit...and that happens WHENEVER you do cardio.  Better to do AFTER a meal, so as not to deplete glycigen stores too far to create a catabolic state.


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Re: Is cardio better on an empty stomach first thing in AM - and why?
« Reply #52 on: October 22, 2007, 11:09:13 AM »
YES! correct!  coem on guys...lets get soem more knowledgeable people in this thread to help crush these morning cardio nay-sayers once and for all.

Really, it comes down to what works. Early morning cardio didn't work for me; in actuality it sucked more dicks than Adonis does daily.
I prefer slower cardio after weights. It works, it's efficient, and it's something that I tried after I've tried pretty much every other way out there (slow and long in the morning, HIIT in the morning, slow walking throughout the day, etc...). That is what works BEST for me.
Other than that, I won't battle someone and try to convert them if they really feel a different way works better for them. As long as they've tried all the different methods to justifiably say what works best for them.

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Re: Is cardio better on an empty stomach first thing in AM - and why?
« Reply #53 on: October 22, 2007, 11:10:00 AM »
by your thinking a starving person is burning nothing but fat...

the whole challenge of bodybuilding and precontest dieting is maintaining muscle and burning fat.  Its about working with the human body's natural tendency to STORE fat and burn muscle.  Biologically, your body has no use to be all muscle and no fat....
The human body changes constantly and is either in catabolic state or an anabolic state...upon waking a  human being is in a catabolic state, and eating right away is the human animals main concern/instinct to halt this process

your "windows" theory is something Id never heard of before




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Re: Is cardio better on an empty stomach first thing in AM - and why?
« Reply #54 on: October 22, 2007, 11:11:26 AM »


Going along with your argument, you burn fat before breakfast by creating the defecit/activity...what happens after...your body restores the glycogen, any excess calories are stored as fat( there is a calorie surplus)......the rub is if you dont eat enough calories to replace the glycogen, youll be depleted, overtrained and soon catabolic.  


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Re: Is cardio better on an empty stomach first thing in AM - and why?
« Reply #55 on: October 22, 2007, 11:13:23 AM »
Really, it comes down to what works. Early morning cardio didn't work for me; in actuality it sucked more dicks than Adonis does daily.
I prefer slower cardio after weights. It works, it's efficient, and it's something that I tried after I've tried pretty much every other way out there (slow and long in the morning, HIIT in the morning, slow walking throughout the day, etc...). That is what works BEST for me.
Other than that, I won't battle someone and try to convert them if they really feel a different way works better for them. As long as they've tried all the different methods to justifiably say what works best for them.
HEY MAN, WHATEVER WORKS; WORKS.

if you have found what works best for you, thats cool. do it.

i am only arguing with this guy because he is saying that the science is against it, not his own personal body or results. he is trying to influence other people...  if he would just say "its not what works best for ME", i would say alright cool man. and i wouldnt be arguing with him...

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Re: Is cardio better on an empty stomach first thing in AM - and why?
« Reply #56 on: October 22, 2007, 11:14:45 AM »
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You didnt get me on that argumentation, buddy.

How many lifters on GETBIG want to be in a catabolic state precontest?!?!!? Everybody raise your hands!!!!!

You are a dumbass


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Re: Is cardio better on an empty stomach first thing in AM - and why?
« Reply #57 on: October 22, 2007, 11:14:53 AM »
My argument makes no sense?

All the points you made are correct...but you are assuming your bodys first priority is to burn fat and hold onto muscle (just take some EFA's!)  it is not...thats why bodybuilding is a challenge...!

Going along with your argument, you burn fat before breakfast by creating the defecit/activity...what happens after...your body restores the glycogen, any excess calories are stored as fat( there is a calorie surplus)......the rub is if you dont eat enough calories to replace the glycogen, youll be depleted, overtrained and soon catabolic.  

You are an example of someone whose education came from MuscleMag, and you've never stepped onstage and held a trophy.  You are lost in the details, and cant comprehend the big picture.  

Thats how you helped make supp company owners rich!

You're right, of course.  My weight class win last year at a National qualifier must have been all in my mind.  Presonal attacks are the refuge of a weak mind.  I never criticized you, just your argument.

My points did not assume that the body's natural propensity is to burn fat and store muscle, in fact it was quite the opposite.  I was discussing a way to trick the body into doing something counter to design.

The feeding that occurs during the day has nothing to do with what I referenced.  You can eat enough to replenish glycogen (IF you're not on a ketogenic diet) without adding fat.

And how, exactly, am I an example of a MuscleMag educated mind?  That's pretty funny, considering I haven't bought that mag since high shcool.  As for supplements:  Whey, creatine, multi-vitamin, fish oil, and MSM.

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Re: Is cardio better on an empty stomach first thing in AM - and why?
« Reply #58 on: October 22, 2007, 11:15:52 AM »
i am only arguing with this guy because he is saying that the science is against it,


Looks to me, that you're doing quite the same. ;)

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Re: Is cardio better on an empty stomach first thing in AM - and why?
« Reply #59 on: October 22, 2007, 11:17:25 AM »
You didnt get me on that argumentation, buddy.

How many lifters on GETBIG want to be in a catabolic state precontest?!?!!? Everybody raise your hands!!!!!

You are a dumbass


Eating enough healthy fats & proteins will help guard against this.  You can burn fat on minimal carbs, while preserving muscle, if you're eating the right balance of pro-fat.


Ultimately, a person should do what works for them.  But by no means would I dismiss something outright, especially when it has worked for so many people.

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Re: Is cardio better on an empty stomach first thing in AM - and why?
« Reply #60 on: October 22, 2007, 11:17:34 AM »
Forget catabolic state you morons, thats your excuse to walk around with  a 40 inch waist. The candid said best

MORNING CARDIO = FAT BURNING

AFTERNOON CARDIO = INGESTED CALORIE BURNING

Dieting is hard, so hard that you go crazy at times, ask any bodybuilder. So consider this do cardio empty stomach then eat and the calories you bring in won't make you sluggish throughout your day and you'll burne them anyway.
 Or eat first then do cardio, burn what you ate then since you have no more fuel in you feel like like shit for the rest of the day, ya vary smart stupid

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Re: Is cardio better on an empty stomach first thing in AM - and why?
« Reply #61 on: October 22, 2007, 11:17:43 AM »
You didnt get me on that argumentation, buddy.

How many lifters on GETBIG want to be in a catabolic state precontest?!?!!? Everybody raise your hands!!!!!

You are a dumbass


hahaha. okay...

if you want to be anabolic; go right ahead. being anabolic means muscle growth. awesome. but we are talking about fat loss. you cannot be anabolic and lose fat. its a contradiction of terms. you HAVE  to be catabolic to be burning fat. by definition. you are confusing CATABOLISM, with muscular catabolism! there is two kind of catabolism....fat catabolism, and muscle catabolism.  what you have to do is keep yourself in a state of fat tissue catabolism.

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Re: Is cardio better on an empty stomach first thing in AM - and why?
« Reply #62 on: October 22, 2007, 11:19:55 AM »

Looks to me, that you're doing quite the same. ;)
that is because i know what im taking about. i am correct. he is incorrect. i have a responsibilty to make sure that all of the readers of this thread walk away with the correct knowledge...that the a.m. cardio side of the argument is the clear winner.


i should be awarded a medal for this shit.

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Re: Is cardio better on an empty stomach first thing in AM - and why?
« Reply #63 on: October 22, 2007, 11:23:39 AM »
I think most people here don't realize that the body VERY seldom burn fat only. Most of the time fat is being burned together with glycogen and creating a synergistic effect. And my opinion is that calorie deficit is the only thing that matters in the end.

BTW Onetimehard, wtf does it matter if the calories burned are from the body or from newly digested food? They all are calories and need to be burned one way or the other and they do get burned if your on a calorie deficit diet. Simple physics: More energy burned than consumed=loss of mass.
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Re: Is cardio better on an empty stomach first thing in AM - and why?
« Reply #64 on: October 22, 2007, 11:26:44 AM »
You didnt get me on that argumentation, buddy.

How many lifters on GETBIG want to be in a catabolic state precontest?!?!!? Everybody raise your hands!!!!!

You are a dumbass


You are so stupid, and your taking this catabolic state thing way to serious. Its called ECA, Clen, T4, AAS and high protein diet. Want to play the game thats the price you pay to be shredded. I can take zero carbs and not hit catabolic state. If you worried about losing a little bit of muscle then your completely don't know what your talking about because thats the least of anybody's worries, your main concern should be if you have the balls to do this, because its not a walk in the park, no carbs, morning cardio is only for the strong

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Re: Is cardio better on an empty stomach first thing in AM - and why?
« Reply #65 on: October 22, 2007, 11:37:04 AM »
WEll looks like morning cardio wins again. sorry about the anger insidescope but you drew first

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Re: Is cardio better on an empty stomach first thing in AM - and why?
« Reply #66 on: October 22, 2007, 12:31:25 PM »
WEll looks like morning cardio wins again. sorry about the anger insidescope but you drew first

Well....how do you come up with that?

I "drew" first...duh huh.......

Do cardio in the morning you dumbass, who cares? 

Ive been arguing with a dumb guido and some ignorant black guy......


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Re: Is cardio better on an empty stomach first thing in AM - and why?
« Reply #67 on: October 22, 2007, 12:42:29 PM »
a dumb guido and an ignorant black guy....


i guess he leaves me out of the equation because he knows my arguments destroyed his.



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Re: Is cardio better on an empty stomach first thing in AM - and why?
« Reply #68 on: October 22, 2007, 12:52:43 PM »
a dumb guido and an ignorant black guy....


i guess he leaves me out of the equation because he knows my arguments destroyed his.




Yeah, your argumentations wuz much more intelygenz.

Fucking moron

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Re: Is cardio better on an empty stomach first thing in AM - and why?
« Reply #69 on: October 22, 2007, 12:58:37 PM »
Yeah, your argumentations wuz much more intelygenz.

Fucking moron
hahah. i love how the whole time you were trying to debate me the only points you made that were valid had to do with my spelling and grammar.

way to side step and attack semantics.

actually, in and of that fact; you acually d have decent debate skills. ...   diverting attention from a losing argument. that is slightly above amature level. ill give you some slight props on that.


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Re: Is cardio better on an empty stomach first thing in AM - and why?
« Reply #72 on: October 22, 2007, 01:08:19 PM »
bob chick (and most other pros) swear by 45-hour of really slow cardio ...on bb.com its been debated for more then 10+ pages...and chick even claims its beneficial for natural athletes

he had a good article on it

anyways layne, leafy_bug, and other naturals claim that HIIT cardio is the most efficient way for naturals to loose fat

how many naturals use the slow cardio method?

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Re: Is cardio better on an empty stomach first thing in AM - and why?
« Reply #73 on: October 22, 2007, 01:10:50 PM »
bob chick (and most other pros) swear by 45-hour of really slow cardio ...on bb.com its been debated for more then 10+ pages...and chick even claims its beneficial for natural athletes

he had a good article on it

anyways layne, leafy_bug, and other naturals claim that HIIT cardio is the most efficient way for naturals to loose fat

how many naturals use the slow cardio method?

visit golds venice and you wont see ANY of the pros doing hi intensity cardio......it almost seems leisurely.


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Re: Is cardio better on an empty stomach first thing in AM - and why?
« Reply #74 on: October 22, 2007, 01:15:54 PM »
I know what works best for me and for my wife, and that is with out a doubt A.M. cardio (45 mins.) on an empty stomach. We also do a P.M. cardio session (30 mins.) before bed. Many seem to over train during cardio and lose muscle as well, I just get my heart rate up to get the fat burning process going.