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Re: Dow crash coming to your 401k..........
« Reply #900 on: May 10, 2008, 11:43:44 AM »
LOL @ All the people who will blame obama for a market collapse that comes about 5 minutes into his presidency. 

You know they will too.  "It happened on Obama's watch--- Bush had everything great then Obama crashed it!"  hahahaha oh brother what buffoonery.

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Re: Dow crash coming to your 401k..........
« Reply #901 on: May 10, 2008, 01:26:01 PM »
Yes, the gold chain for example, loses value when it turns your skin green when you get it wet in the shower.

I thought I was just allergic to gold?

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« Reply #902 on: May 10, 2008, 02:33:31 PM »
You know they will too.  "It happened on Obama's watch--- Bush had everything great then Obama crashed it!"  hahahaha oh brother what buffoonery.

didnt you say that 9/11 was in part Bush's fault cause it happend on his watch?

Fact of the matter is Obama can't lead a country, and his pacifist ways will lead to the complete end of US hegemony.

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« Reply #903 on: May 10, 2008, 02:51:54 PM »
didnt you say that 9/11 was in part Bush's fault cause it happend on his watch?

No.  I simply echoed the reports that he was informed on Aug 5 and chose not to prevent it.

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Re: Dow crash coming to your 401k..........
« Reply #904 on: May 10, 2008, 04:36:30 PM »
didnt you say that 9/11 was in part Bush's fault cause it happend on his watch?

Fact of the matter is Obama can't lead a country, and his pacifist ways will lead to the complete end of US hegemony.



Who told NORAD to shut down while planes were flying into bldgs??

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Re: Dow crash coming to your 401k..........
« Reply #905 on: May 11, 2008, 07:52:32 AM »
gbers, think about it, we are now in the FOURTH consecutive financial bubble, all contrived to sustain the investor class...... to the detriment of the general public. the latest bubble will cause much worse destruction than any of the previous ones.

lacking our once powerful manufacturing-based economy, the united states has come to depend on one financial “bubble” after another to keep its economy afloat. unfortunately, each successive bubble aids fewer people and costs more in the end to clean up once it’s popped. the dot.com bubble was followed by the enron bubble, then the housing bubble, and now we're in the commodities bubble. each of these has caused progressively more damage to the value of the dollar and a disproportionate harm to the middle class.

the u.s. has clearly lost all fiscal control and is now solely dependent on various schemes to generate income for itself and the wealthy. eventually, if our "house of cards" is left unchanged, serious consequences will be felt by ALL.


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Re: Dow crash coming to your 401k..........
« Reply #906 on: May 12, 2008, 06:32:22 PM »
May 12 (Bloomberg) -- Former American International Group Inc. Chief Executive Officer Maurice ``Hank'' Greenberg said the insurer is in ``crisis'' and should delay its annual meeting so shareholders can consider the impact of two losing quarters.

Investors need more time to discuss the record $7.81 billion first-quarter net loss disclosed last week before meeting in two days at AIG's New York headquarters, Greenberg said in a regulatory filing today. AIG rejected the suggestion, spokesman Chris Winans said today in a statement.

Chief Executive Officer Martin Sullivan said last week AIG, the world's largest insurer by assets, needed $12.5 billion in capital and may face more writedowns after losses tied to debt markets. Greenberg, 83, who was forced out in 2005 amid sales and accounting investigations, today called recent quarters the worst in AIG's history and questioned management's decision to raise money by issuing shares.


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Re: Dow crash coming to your 401k..........
« Reply #907 on: May 12, 2008, 06:56:20 PM »
Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke lunched on March 11 with a Who's Who of Wall Street leaders, including JPMorgan Chase & Co.'s Jamie Dimon, three days before the central bank rescued Bear Stearns Cos. from bankruptcy.

Other guests included Goldman Sachs Group Inc. Chief Executive Lloyd Blankfein, Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. CEO Richard Fuld, Morgan Stanley President James Gorman, Citigroup Inc.'s Robert Rubin, Blackstone Group CEO Stephen Schwarzman and Merrill Lynch & Co. CEO John Thain. Alan Schwartz, the CEO of Bear Stearns, was not listed among the attendees.

The luncheon at the New York Fed gave Bernanke a chance to hear from chiefs of some of the biggest U.S. financial companies and hedge funds in the middle of his most tumultuous month as central bank chief. The meeting came hours after he announced plans to lend $200 billion of Treasuries in exchange for debt including mortgage-backed securities.

The collapse of the subprime-mortgage market has led to $323 billion in asset writedowns and credit losses at financial institutions since the start of 2007. The situation calls for the Fed chairman to cultivate ``increased contacts and understanding with Wall Street,'' said Kenneth Thomas, a lecturer in finance at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania who has researched Bernanke's schedule.


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Re: Dow crash coming to your 401k..........
« Reply #908 on: May 12, 2008, 07:15:14 PM »
gbers, think about it, we are now in the FOURTH consecutive financial bubble, all contrived to sustain the investor class...... to the detriment of the general public. the latest bubble will cause much worse destruction than any of the previous ones.

lacking our once powerful manufacturing-based economy, the united states has come to depend on one financial “bubble” after another to keep its economy afloat. unfortunately, each successive bubble aids fewer people and costs more in the end to clean up once it’s popped. the dot.com bubble was followed by the enron bubble, then the housing bubble, and now we're in the commodities bubble. each of these has caused progressively more damage to the value of the dollar and a disproportionate harm to the middle class.

the u.s. has clearly lost all fiscal control and is now solely dependent on various schemes to generate income for itself and the wealthy. eventually, if our "house of cards" is left unchanged, serious consequences will be felt by ALL.


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Amen to that.   But maybe we can think like a neo con and deny it until we're in a food line.

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Re: Dow crash coming to your 401k..........
« Reply #909 on: May 13, 2008, 02:55:56 AM »
Federal spending rising twice as fast as taxes

May 12, 2008
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) - Federal spending is rising more than twice as fast as receipts so far this fiscal year, reflecting the economic slump and the rising costs of military expenditures, the Treasury Department reported Monday.





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« Reply #910 on: May 13, 2008, 07:45:44 AM »
Home prices continue sharp descent



May 13, 2008

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Single-family home prices dropped 7.7% in the first quarter in the largest year-over-year decline since the National Association of Realtors began reporting prices in 1982.

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« Reply #911 on: May 13, 2008, 08:36:37 AM »
Bernanke: Financial markets are still 'far from normal'


WASHINGTON — Turmoil in financial markets has eased, but the situation is still "far from normal," Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said Tuesday.
The central bank has taken a number of unconventional steps — especially since March, when the credit crisis intensified — to help squeezed banks and big investment firms overcome problems and try to get credit flowing more freely again.



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Re: Dow crash coming to your 401k..........
« Reply #912 on: May 13, 2008, 05:03:24 PM »
Why cut, paste, post news everyone can read on http://www.cnnfn.com   ???  ???


Go start your own money/stock/business thread, you can post whatever opinion you have and I'm sure it'll surpass this thread in a couple of weeks.  ::)

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Re: Dow crash coming to your 401k..........
« Reply #913 on: May 14, 2008, 03:46:30 AM »
U.S. Foreclosures Rise 65 Percent as Vacated Homes Add to Glut



May 14, 2008 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. foreclosure filings climbed 65 percent and bank seizures more than doubled in April from a year earlier as rates on adjustable mortgages increased and vacated homes added to a glut of unsold homes, RealtyTrac Inc. said.

More than 243,300 properties were in some stage of foreclosure, the highest monthly total since RealtyTrac, a seller of default data, began statistics in January 2005.

The collapse of the U.S. housing market, the worst since the Great Depression, is contributing to the economic slowdown and may push the economy into a recession. Median prices for a single- family home fell 7.7 percent in the first quarter, the biggest drop in 29 years, the National Association of Realtors reported yesterday. There were 4.06 million U.S. homes for sale at the end of March, 40,000 more than the prior month, the Realtors association said in an April 22 report.



guys, do NOT believe the BS you hear on TV that the worst is over. it's far from over.

between the housing crisis, gas prices, soaring inflation on all goods and the lack of available credit to borrowers, this crisis could go on well into 2009-10 before it begins to "stabilize."


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Re: Dow crash coming to your 401k..........
« Reply #914 on: May 14, 2008, 05:53:42 AM »
guys....this article is highly accurate and worth reading. this illustrates how our government fudges economic numbers to help Wall Street and avoid the true nature of our country's economic situation. this mornings inflation numbers will underscore my point.

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Economic 'misery' more widespread
Some experts argue that true inflation and unemployment -- the components of the economy's 'Misery Index' -- are higher than the government's official figures.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Americans are feeling a lot more economic pain than the government's official statistics would lead you to believe, according to a growing number of experts.
They argue that figures on unemployment and inflation are being understated by the government.

Unemployment and inflation are typically added together to come up with a so-called "Misery Index."

The "Misery Index" was often cited during periods of high unemployment and inflation, such as the mid 1970s and late 1970s to early 1980s.

And some fear the economy may be approaching those levels again.

The official numbers produce a current Misery Index of only 9, not far from the low of 6.1 seen in 1998.

But using the estimates on CPI and unemployment from economists skeptical of the government numbers, the Misery Index is actually in the teens. Some worry it could even approach the post-World War II record of 20.6 in 1980.

"We're looking at government numbers that are really out of whack," said Kevin Phillips, author of the book "Bad Money."

No inflation if you don't eat or drive
According to the government's most recent Consumer Price Index, a key inflation reading, consumer prices rose 4% in the 12 months ending in March. The April CPI report will be released Wednesday morning and economists expect no change from March, despite record gas prices.

But Phillips argues that consumer prices are probably up at least 5% and perhaps more than 10%.

Part of the disconnect may be due to the fact that nondurable goods, such as food and gasoline, makes up only 12% of CPI.

In addition, food and energy prices are eliminated from the so-called core CPI, which many economists tend to focus more closely on because they claim food and gas prices are volatile.

But food and energy costs are a part of household budgets that are very important to consumers. And those prices have been skyrocketing: gas prices were up about 25% over the 12 months ending in March while food prices rose 4.5% over the same period.

To that end, nearly half of the respondents of a recent CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll said inflation was the biggest problem they face.

CPI missed the housing bubble...and bust
Another problem with the CPI figures, according to skeptics, is that it doesn't accurately reflect what's going on in the housing market. That's significant because the cost of buying a home has twice the impact on CPI as does the prices of all nondurable goods combined.

The CPI showed only an 11% rise in home ownership costs from 2002 through 2006, a time that the National Association of Realtors reported that existing home prices soared 34%.

The reason for the low CPI reading is because the CPI looks at equivalent rents, rather than home prices. So inflation was understated during this period, according to Phillips. He argues this may have helped feed the housing boom since it kept mortgage rates lower than they should have been.

Now that the housing boom has gone bust, the CPI appears to be missing the declines in home prices as well; it estimates that the cost of owning a home posted a 12-month increase of 2.6% in March.

But because the CPI figure was so far behind tracking the increase in home values, the housing component of CPI still is leading to a lower inflation reading than what it should be, Phillips said.

The inflation 'con job'
The unusual way that housing prices are estimated isn't the only peculiarity of the CPI report. Over the past ten years, there have been other changes in the calculations, particularly for big ticket items.

Cuts to estimated prices for items like electronics and cars that are thought to have improvements in quality year-after-year have lowered the overall CPI. In addition, changes in the way certain products, such as food, are tracked by the government, have also contributed to lower readings than otherwise expected.

Bill Gross, the manager of Pimco Total Return, the nation's largest bond fund, refers to the CPI as a "con job" that deliberately understates the price pressures faced by Americans in order to keep Social Security payments and other government costs pegged to the index unduly low.

In a report about the CPI, he noted that some of the adjustments don't accurately reflect how much consumers pay for goods. Pimco estimates that the changes have shaved more than a percentage point off the CPI.

Another flaw with the CPI numbers is that the government now assumes that higher prices for one item will lead consumers to buy more of a substitution item. That may be true. But if people buy fewer steaks and more hamburgers, for example, it's unrealistic to say that inflation isn't a problem, skeptics maintain.

"The government can claim there's no inflation but all they're measuring is a reduced standard of living," argues Peter Schiff, president of Euro Pacific Capital, an investment firm specializing in overseas investments.

With all this in mind, California economist John Williams argues that CPI is understating inflation by at least 3 percentage points and perhaps as much as 7 percentage points. So instead of an annual inflation rate of 4%, the true number could be between 7% and 11%.

Unemployed, but not counted
Finally, there's the unemployment rate. It was at a relatively low 5% in April. But according to Williams' Web site, ShadowStats.com, the actual rate may be between 8% and 12% if you use a more accurate reading of those out of work.

Even the government's own numbers show there are many unemployed people not showing up in the unemployment rate. The official reading does not include 4.8 million people who want to work but haven't found a job, for example.

Many of these people are dropped from the official calculation because they have become so discouraged from looking without success that they haven't looked in the previous four weeks. Simply adding those people to the number of unemployed takes the current unemployment rate to 7.8%.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics, which produces both the CPI and unemployment readings, says changes in both measures were made to more accurately reflect the real world. The BLS also says the changes have resulted in changes of less than 1% for each measure.

Still, the Labor Department's own broadest measure of unemployment, which includes as jobless those working part-time jobs because they can't find full-time positions as well as some discouraged job seekers, puts the unemployment rate at 9.2% in April, the highest level for that reading in more than three years.

So if you take that number and add that to the 7% that Williams thinks is a more likely annual inflation rate, you're looking at a "Misery Index" of 16.2, much worse than the 9 you get from the official numbers.

And while that may seem a bit high, it's probably a more accurate gauge of how bad the economy is for many Americans. 




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Re: Dow crash coming to your 401k..........
« Reply #915 on: May 14, 2008, 06:10:10 AM »
the Government reported this morning that energy prices are decelerating and that inflation was weaker than expected::)

please understand that these released numbers are totally fudged and not reality.

these lies are designed to help Wall Street.....not Main Street.

IMHO, the FALSE Market information provided by this administration is CRIMINAL and Socialism to a level this country has never witnessed.

simply amazing.

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Consumer-level inflation tame in April, U.S. says
May 14, 2008
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- U.S. consumer prices increased a moderate 0.2% in April with decelerating energy prices offsetting rising food prices, the Labor Department said Wednesday.
Excluding  food and energy prices, the core consumer price index increased 0.1%, the government said.
Inflation was just a bit weaker than expected. Economists had been looking for both the CPI and the core rate to rise 0.2%.

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« Reply #916 on: May 14, 2008, 08:55:25 AM »
Nice to see an article talking about the truth in numbers.   

Gas rises 25% in 12 months and washington reports 0.02% increase in energy prices!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I could spit nails sometimes.. >:(

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« Reply #917 on: May 14, 2008, 12:28:55 PM »
Stocks rise as tame report eases inflation worries


May 14, 2008
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- U.S. stocks rallied Wednesday after April data calmed worries about inflation, helping lift financial and consumer discretionary stocks, and Freddie Mac reported smaller losses than expected, offsetting credit-market jitters.
 

"It's a market number that we need to take with a grain of salt, but markets react to headline numbers," said Peter Boockvar, equity strategist at Miller Tabak, of the consumer price index report, which prompted stock futures to reverse course higher before Wall Street's start. "Anybody who believes inflation moderated is not living in the real world," said Boockvar. 


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Re: Dow crash coming to your 401k..........
« Reply #918 on: May 14, 2008, 12:52:27 PM »
funny story......after the bogus inflation numbers were released this morning, some floor traders @ NYSE donned chef hats yelling "cooked, cooked" !  ;D


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LMAO... ;D

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Re: Dow crash coming to your 401k..........
« Reply #919 on: May 14, 2008, 01:14:54 PM »





i expect the market to fail @ the Dow 13,000 area.








opinion still unchanged.

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« Reply #920 on: May 16, 2008, 05:56:27 AM »
guys....intervention by the PPT and a daily dose of "cooked" numbers by our Government has left many professionals shaking their collective heads.  
in this type of "fixed" market environment, normal market activity is OUT THE WINDOW.  (see below)



New home construction rises in April      
May 16, 2008
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Initial construction of U.S. homes rose unexpectedly in April, according to a government report released Friday


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« Reply #921 on: May 16, 2008, 08:08:09 AM »
guys....intervention by the PPT and a daily dose of "cooked" numbers by our Government has left many professionals shaking their collective heads.  ???

in this type of "fixed" market environment, normal market activity is OUT THE WINDOW.  (see below)



New home construction rises in April  ::)
     
May 16, 2008
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Initial construction of U.S. homes rose unexpectedly in April, according to a government report released Friday


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At least 4 neo-cons here will believe this report.....sad really.

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« Reply #922 on: May 16, 2008, 09:11:42 AM »
finally, a "non-government" number reveals the truth.



Consumer sentiment falls in May to lowest since 1980



May 16, 2008
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- Consumer sentiment dropped in May to its lowest level since 1980, according to a Friday report, as higher fuel and food prices, coupled with declining home values, weighed on financial expectations.
The U.S. consumer sentiment index in May fell to 59.5 from 62.6 in April, according to a Friday report from University of Michigan/Reuters. Economists surveyed by MarketWatch were looking for a result of 61.0.
 


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Re: Dow crash coming to your 401k..........
« Reply #923 on: May 16, 2008, 06:08:45 PM »
This is a fugging nightmare.

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« Reply #924 on: May 19, 2008, 08:31:53 AM »
guys....intervention by the PPT and a daily dose of "cooked" numbers by our Government has left many professionals shaking their collective heads.  ???

in this type of "fixed" market environment, normal market activity is OUT THE WINDOW. 




Stocks rise as recession fears dwindle


May 19, 2008
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Stocks advanced on Monday, with data suggesting the U.S. economy may not be in recession  ::) helping overcome concerns over record crude oil prices. 
"The market seems to be defying gravity here, rising on light volume and very little good news," said Marc Pado, market strategist at Cantor Fitzgerald. 


light volume = WS's big players staying away.


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