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Re: New evidence brings arrests in teen's Aruba disappearance
« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2017, 02:01:28 PM »
Natalee Holloway's father speaks out on human remains discovery: 'I was shocked'
By Stephanie Nolasco
Published August 18, 2017
Fox News
 
It’s been 12 years since American student Natalee Holloway vanished on May 30, 2005 while on a high school graduation trip to Aruba — and human remains that were discovered by her father and a private investigator are bringing her story back to life.

However, Dave Holloway isn’t feeling too optimistic of what DNA results might unveil, which could take up to a month.

“You always have your doubts,” he told Fox News. “I put myself in a position where there could be great disappointment… I was so defensive about getting hurt or even testing… And so when the test came back and showed they were human remains, I was shocked.”

He added, “We’ve chased a lot of leads and you have your hopes up, but when they fall through, you basically go to a funeral. Over and over again. So you have a wall built up, which I do, and so you just wait and see and try not to think about it. And that’s the only way I can cope with it. I’m sure when that day comes very soon I’ll probably be disappointed once again, if it’s not [Natalee’s].”

The lead first came from an informant named Gabriel, who befriended the former roommate of Joran van der Sloot, a Dutch man the 18-year-old was last seen with outside a bar before her disappearance.

Joran, now 30, is currently serving a 28-year sentence in a Peruvian jail for killing business student Stephany Flores — a murder that occurred five years to the day after Natalee’s disappearance.

Dave’s quest to find out what happened to his daughter, alongside private investigator T.J. Ward, is chronicled in a series titled “The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway” on the Oxygen channel premiering Saturday. The remains found in Aruba were proven to be human just a week ago.

While Dave has spent the last 12 years following every lead he’s received, the one he encountered in late 2015 was different.

Gabriel first met the man at a casino, quickly earning his friendship and trust in a matter of months. It was then that Gabriel decided to track down Dave and give him a call.

“He said, ‘Look, I’ve been in contact with someone who’s apparently directly involved in the disappearance of your daughter,’” Dave recalled. “I have two daughters of my own and I know that if something happened to them, I’d hope I get the same kind of response… I already called the FBI, they didn’t return my calls. I called [Natalee’s mother] Beth, she hasn’t returned my call. And now I’ve called you. Just give me five minutes of your time and I’ll tell you all that I know.'

"And he did… I asked T.J. to look into this and get more information and determine whether or not we should pursue it. Because we pursued a lot of leads and they ended up nowhere. So that’s what he did. He met up with Gabriel, interviewed him, and told me, ‘Dave, this guy knows enough. We’ve got to pursue this until the end.’”

According to Gabriel, Joran attempted to kiss Natalie after her drink was spiked with date rape drug GHB. However, when Natalie began to foam at the mouth, he panicked and she fatally choked on her vomit. Within a few hours, a frightened Joran asked his father, Paulus van der Sloot, for help.

The judge in training allegedly stomped on her legs and placed Natalee’s folded corpse in a burlap sack. From there, they drove to an Aruban park where she was buried. They planted a cactus over the spot to cover their tracks. Paulus reportedly instructed his son never to say a word about what happened. However, Joran allegedly confessed to his friend in confidence.

“They lived together for several months and during those months, Joran shared a lot of information with him that is not public knowledge… And that’s one of the reasons we pursued this," claimed Dave.

Paulus passed away in 2010 from a heart attack at age 57.

Relying on their new information, Dave and T.J. made several trips to Aruba and ended up collecting evidence that tested positive for human remains. Dave also noted that there wasn’t immediate movement from law enforcement concerning their discovery.

“We haven’t heard a word,” he claimed. “I can’t answer that question because you have to go back to 2005… [Back then], I figure, these are police, they know what they’re talking about… Their direction in how they operate is [that] there’s no sense of urgency. So I’m just wondering if we’re dealing with the same thing right now.”

And while reliving the loss of his daughter on camera was painful, the still-grieving father believes the press will continue to keep the case alive.

“The media has always been great to us and has really kept the investigation on track,” he said. “And if this turns out to be true, we need some documentation because of what we’ve experienced in the past… I learned from my mistakes in 2005 that when I go to the island, there’s going to be a camera and we’re going to document things. And that’s exactly what we did. And it started probably in February or March of this year.”

While Dave is trying not to wonder whether those remains are of his child, he is certain of one thing if the DNA test comes back positive.

“If it is Natalee, then that’s the end for me and my family. I mean, that’s the end. We finally found out what happened and it’s resolved,” he said.

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Dave Holloway with T.J. Ward  (Courtesy of Oxygen)
And Dave believes he will someday find out what happened. In 2014, PEOPLE Magazine reported Joran will face U.S. criminal charges sometime in 2038 after he served his Peruvian sentence. He is accused of extortion for taking $25,000 from Natalee’s mother in exchange for false information.

But despite the newfound interest in Natalee’s story, Dave also hopes people will discover who she was before Aruba.

“Natalee was an all-American kid,” he said. “Straight A student. Very pretty girl. Had her life and goals already planned out. She was going to go to the University of Alabama with a scholarship… You know, her goal was to be a pediatrician and there’s no doubt in my mind that if this haven’t happened in Aruba, we’d be calling her Dr. Holloway… And in a blink of an eye, all those hopes and dreams were gone forever.”

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/08/18/natalee-holloways-father-says-if-found-human-remains-are-hers-then-thats-end-for-me.html

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Re: New evidence brings arrests in teen's Aruba disappearance
« Reply #26 on: August 18, 2017, 03:00:10 PM »
Wonder if true about FBI and Ms. Holloway not returning call or calls.  If so, why.

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Re: New evidence brings arrests in teen's Aruba disappearance
« Reply #27 on: August 21, 2017, 04:03:13 PM »
Natalee Holloway's final hours: New clues surface in teen's disappearance
Published August 21, 2017
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One of the Alabama high school students who was with Natalee Holloway on the 2005 graduation trip to Aruba during which she vanished is revealing new details about the final hours before her friend’s disappearance.

When Jessica Caiola saw then-18-year-old Natalee Holloway being driven away in a car after a night out on their vacation, she said she assumed her classmate found a ride back to the hotel where the group of teens was staying.

In an interview with Oxygen, Caiola said the two girls left "Carlos ‘n Charlie’s," a local bar, to catch a shuttle back to the hotel.

While they stopped to order some street food, Caoila said she looked up and saw Holloway being driven away in a white car.

“The window was down so we could see it was her in the back of the car,” she said in the interview. “My impression was, ‘Oh, great, she found a ride back to the hotel.’”

COULD THE HUMAN REMAINS FOUND IN ARUBA BE NATALEE HOLLOWAY? EXPERTS WEIGH IN

Holloway never returned to the hotel with her friends, who said they didn’t realize she was missing until the next morning.

Her body hasn’t been found, but her father, Dave Holloway, has never stopped searching for answers.

In fact, Holloway’s father, Dave, revealed new information in the case on NBC's “Today” last week, saying a tip from a man who claimed to have helped dispose of her body 12 years ago led to the discovery of unidentified human remains behind a house in Aruba, calling it a “major discovery.”

The bones are being tested for DNA and the results could take up to a month, he said.

Investigators and Natalee’s family said they've long suspected that Joran van der Sloot was responsible for her disappearance. He has never faced trial in connection with the case but he is currently serving a 28-year sentence for an unrelated murder in Peru.

NATALEE HOLLOWAY: A DECADE OF MYSTERY

In the Oxygen series, Caiola said she remembered van der Sloot being at "Carlos ‘n Charlies" the night of Holloway’s disappearance.

“He was absolutely at Carlos ‘n Charlie’s, 1000 percent,” said Caiola. “Natalee and I were actually talking at the bar and interacting and having a good time.”

He was also seen around the group of teens earlier at various points throughout their trip, she said.

“I remember seeing Joran van der Sloot at the casino at our hotel,” she said. “That was the first time I saw him and I remember chatter of him, like, ‘He’s so cute. Who’s going to hook up with him?’ Those sort of things were floating around. That was probably the extent to which I got close to him.”

Caoila also discussed taking some of the last photographs of Holloway on that final night at the bar, saying she wanted to "remember" the moment.

"I never took a photo of Natalee before that night," Caiola said.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/08/21/natalee-holloways-final-hours-new-clues-surface-in-teens-disappearance.html

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Re: New evidence brings arrests in teen's Aruba disappearance
« Reply #28 on: August 21, 2017, 04:07:16 PM »
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Re: New evidence brings arrests in teen's Aruba disappearance
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Re: New evidence brings arrests in teen's Aruba disappearance
« Reply #31 on: August 24, 2017, 11:17:47 AM »
Human remains found in search for Natalee Holloway belong to female of eastern European descent, tests show
Published August 24, 2017
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Human remains that were discovered in Aruba, where Natalee Holloway vanished 12 years ago, belonged to a female of eastern European descent, tests showed.

The remains will be tested further to determine if they are those of Holloway and the results were expected within the next two weeks, according to the Daily Mail.

Holloway, 18, a straight A-student from Mountain Brook, Ala., disappeared from the island while celebrating her high school graduation.

The Daily Mail said her family had eastern European heritage.

The discovery of the remains that may be those of Holloway was to be revealed in the docu-series “The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway.” The Oxygen series follows Holloway’s father, Dave, and private investigator T.J. Ward in their quest to find Natalee on the tropical island.

COULD THE HUMAN REMAINS FOUND IN ARUBA BE NATALEE HOLLOWAY? EXPERTS WEIGH IN

“We did an 18-month undercover investigation with an informant who was friends with an individual who had personal knowledge from Joran van der Sloot,” Dave Holloway told the Today Show last week.

Joran van der Sloot, a Dutch national, has long been considered a suspect in the case.

“And had information that took us to a spot where remains were found. And we took those remains and had those remains tested. And they just returned last week they are human remains,” Holloway said.

The Daily Mail reported that Holloway’s mother, Beth, gave a saliva sample to help with the testing.

"So far all the indicators are that these bone fragments are the human remains of a young female, consistent with someone of eastern European descent,” an unidentified source told the Daily Mail.

“It will be agonizing if Dave and Beth are told this is their daughter, but after 12 years of searching for answers it will be a huge deal for them - it might finally bring them closure,' the source continued.

NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S FINAL HOURS: NEW CLUES SURFACE IN TEEN’S DISAPPEARANCE

During their investigation, Holloway and Ward have discovered that Natalee was apparently last seen outside a bar before her disappearance with Van der Sloot, whom she met while on her trip. Holloway and Ward discovered the information through an informant named Gabriel who was roommates with John Ludwick, Van der Sloot’s best friend.

Gabriel said Van der Sloot tried to kiss Natalee after her drink was spiked with the date rape drug GHB but the teen started to foam at the mouth. Natalee choked to death on her vomit and Van der Sloot panicked and allegedly put her body in a burlap sack and buried her in an Aruban park, using a cactus plant to cover his tracks.

Van der Sloot allegedly confessed to his friend in confidence.

“They lived together for several months and during those months, Joran shared a lot of information with him that is not public knowledge. … And that’s one of the reasons we pursued this,” David Holloway said.

Van der Sloot is currently in a Peruvian prison serving a 28-year sentence for killing business student Stephany Flores just five days after Natalee vanished.

Gabriel also said that Van der Sloot was assisted by his father, Paulus, a judge in Aruba, in disposing of Natalee’s body, according to the Daily Mail.

Aruba Public Prosecutor Dorean Kardol disputed Holloway’s claims that human remains were found on the island.

“During an investigation by police in an area indicated by Mr. Holloway, we found remains, but they were found to be from animals,” Kardol said.

Fox News’ Frank Miles contributed to this report.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/08/24/human-remains-found-in-search-for-natalee-holloway-belong-to-female-eastern-european-descent-tests-show.html

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Re: New evidence brings arrests in teen's Aruba disappearance
« Reply #32 on: August 24, 2017, 11:22:28 AM »
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Re: New evidence brings arrests in teen's Aruba disappearance
« Reply #33 on: August 24, 2017, 12:15:04 PM »
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Aruba Public Prosecutor Dorean Kardol disputed Holloway’s claims that human remains were found on the island.

“During an investigation by police in an area indicated by Mr. Holloway, we found remains, but they were found to be from animals,” Kardol said.

Did they do their "investigation" before, or was it after, Holloway's ppl did their own work in the area?

 ???

IMO it must've been after, and it could be Holloway's only reason for bothering to contact the failed "authorities" was to cover himself against potential trouble in the future.  He needs to keep it straight on that island, at least for now.

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Re: New evidence brings arrests in teen's Aruba disappearance
« Reply #34 on: February 05, 2018, 10:19:48 AM »
Natalee Holloway's mom sues NBC's Oxygen over claims series found her daughter's remains
By Sasha Savitsky   | Fox News

Natalee Holloway's mom is suing Oxygen Media saying the network used false pretenses to get a sample of her DNA.

In the lawsuit, obtained by TMZ, Beth Holloway claims the NBC-owned channel told her that people associated with a docuseries about her daughter discovered what they believed were Natalee Holloway's remains in Aruba. As a result, the show requested a DNA sample from Beth Holloway. The sample was used during the taping of Oxygen's six-part docuseries titled "The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway."

Natalee Hollyway went missing in Aruba in 2005. A judge declared her dead in 2012.

Her mother states she believed the show had found her daughter's remains and therefore gave Oxygen a saliva sample. However, the skeletal remains did not end up belonging to Natalee.

In fact, only one out of the four bone samples tested were found to be human remains.

Her mother claims in the lawsuit that Oxygen lied to her and that she would never have participated in the series or provided DNA sample if she had known the truth.

A rep for Oxygen did not immediately return Fox News' request for comment.

Natalee's father, Dave Holloway, was a big part of the series. Beth and Dave Holloway divorced in 1993, long before their daughter vanished.

Dave Holloway traveled to Aruba with private investigator T.J. Ward for 18 months to search for Natalee's body.

Natalee's father spoke to Fox News in August 2017 while awaiting the DNA test results. He told us at the time he was not optimistic it would yield answers.

"We’ve chased a lot of leads and you have your hopes up, but when they fall through, you basically go to a funeral. Over and over again," he said. "So you have a wall built up, which I do, and so you just wait and see and try not to think about it. And that’s the only way I can cope with it. I’m sure when that day comes very soon I’ll probably be disappointed once again, if it’s not [Natalee's]."

Joran Van der Sloot, a Dutch national, has long been considered a suspect in the case.

In the Oxygen series, Dave Holloway met with “an informant who was friends with an individual who had personal knowledge from Joran van der Sloot."

Van der Sloot is currently in a Peruvian prison serving a 28-year sentence for killing business student Stephany Flores. Flores was killed just five years after Natalee Holloway vanished.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/02/05/natalie-holloways-mom-sues-nbcs-oxygen-over-claims-series-found-her-daughters-remains.html

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Re: New evidence brings arrests in teen's Aruba disappearance
« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2018, 12:33:11 PM »
Natalee Holloway's dad defends controversial Oxygen series following ex-wife's $35M lawsuit
By Stephanie Nolasco   | Fox News

Natalee Holloway’s father is denying his ex-wife’s claims that a TV show he participated in about their missing daughter was scripted.

Dave Holloway, an insurance agent in Meridian, Mississippi, was involved in last year’s six-part docu-series titled “The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway” that aired on Oxygen Media.

The show, produced by Los Angeles-based Brian Graden Media, aimed to present an accurate representation of the Alabama-based teen’s journey to Aruba to check a possible lead about her disappearance, claimed Dave.

However, his ex-wife Beth Holloway filed a $35 million federal lawsuit earlier this week against Oxygen Media and Brian Graden Media, calling the show a fake documentary. Beth claimed the series wrongly raised her hopes about finding out what happened during Holloway's ill-fated trip.

For the series, Dave traveled to Aruba with private investigator T.J. Ward for 18 months to search for Holloway’s remains.

Holloway went missing in Aruba in 2005 during a senior trip to the island. A judge declared her dead in 2012. Beth and Dave Holloway divorced in 1993, long before their daughter vanished.

“I am proud of the work and depiction of the show, and even though it wasn’t the outcome we had all hoped for, I am glad the world was able to get an inside look of what any father would do if there was even the slightest chance of finding his missing child,” Holloway said in a release Friday.

Beth also added in the lawsuit she believed the show had found her daughter’s remains and therefore gave Oxygen a saliva sample. However, the skeletal remains did not end up belonging to Natalee.

In fact, only one out of the four bone samples found and tested were human remains.

A rep for Oxygen told Fox News they were "disappointed to learn of the complaint and its inaccurate depiction of how the series was produced, and we want to reiterate our deep compassion and sympathy for all members of the Holloway family."

Their statement continued, "The documentary series was developed by a production company in close collaboration with Dave Holloway and his long-time private investigator. The show followed his continued search to find answers about his daughter Natalee from a lead he had received. We had hoped, along with Mr. Holloway, that the information was going to provide closure."

Dave spoke to Fox News in August 2017 while awaiting the DNA test results. Dave admitted at the time he was not optimistic it would yield answers.

"We’ve chased a lot of leads and you have your hopes up, but when they fall through, you basically go to a funeral. Over and over again," he explained. "So you have a wall built up, which I do, and so you just wait and see and try not to think about it. And that’s the only way I can cope with it. I’m sure when that day comes very soon I’ll probably be disappointed once again, if it’s not [Natalee's]."

Joran Van der Sloot, a Dutch national, has long been considered a suspect in the case.
In the Oxygen series, Dave met with “an informant who was friends with an individual who had personal knowledge from Joran van der Sloot."

Van der Sloot is currently in a Peruvian prison serving a 28-year sentence for killing business student Stephany Flores. Flores was killed just five years after Natalee Holloway vanished.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/02/09/natalee-holloways-dad-defends-controversial-oxygen-series-following-ex-wifes-35m-lawsuit.html

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Re: New evidence brings arrests in teen's Aruba disappearance
« Reply #36 on: March 15, 2018, 12:34:05 PM »
Man who claimed he cremated Natalee Holloway killed while attempting kidnapping, police say
By Samuel Chamberlain   | Fox News

Authorities in southwestern Florida said Wednesday that a man who claimed he disposed of missing teenager Natalee Holloway's remains in Aruba was fatally stabbed by a woman he was trying to kidnap.

Police in North Port, approximately 60 miles south of Tampa, said 32-year-old John Christopher Ludwick was pronounced dead at a local hospital after 7 a.m. Investigators say Ludwick attacked the unidentified woman in her driveway and was stabbed in the ensuing struggle.

Authorities said Ludwick and his would-be victim knew each other, but declined to elaborate.

Natalee Holloway was declared legally dead in 2012, seven years after her disappearance.

Last year, Ludwick claimed that Joran van der Sloot -- the prime suspect in Holloway's disappearance -- paid him $1,500 to dig up her body in 2010, five years after the 18-year-old vanished on the Dutch Caribbean island.

"The idea was to crush everything to the point where it wasn’t recognizable as her bones or skull or anything like that," Ludwick said at the time. He added that Holloway's skull was burned to eliminate any remaining hair fibers, saying: "It was doused in gasoline in a fire pit in a cave."

NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOM SUES NBC'S OXYGEN OVER CLAIMS SERIES FOUND HER DAUGHTER'S REMAINS

Ludwick's story was featured in "The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway," a miniseries that aired this past September on the Oxygen network.

Holloway was declared legally dead in 2012. No one has ever been charged in connection with her disappearance. Van der Sloot is currently serving a 28-year sentence in a Peruvian prison for the unrelated 2010 murder of a young woman in his Lima hotel room.

"We are aware of Mr. Ludwick’s history and comments surrounding the disappearance of Natalee Ann Holloway in Aruba during May of 2005,” North Point Police spokesman Josh Taylor stated. “The correct authorities who are working that case have been notified. Our investigation in this local case is ongoing."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/14/man-who-claimed-cremated-natalee-holloway-killed-while-attempting-kidnapping-police-say.html

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Re: New evidence brings arrests in teen's Aruba disappearance
« Reply #37 on: March 17, 2018, 12:59:09 PM »
Fucked up thing is that I was in Aruba when the disappearance took place. I was at the then Tamarijn hotel.

My heart and soul are at peace knowing that that piece of shit is getting fucked up the ass every single day of his miserable life.

I'm 100% sure that once he is released, the Flores' family will have a paid assassin waiting for him and giving him a nice Colombian necktie.

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Re: New evidence brings arrests in teen's Aruba disappearance
« Reply #38 on: March 19, 2018, 10:03:24 AM »
Fucked up thing is that I was in Aruba when the disappearance took place. I was at the then Tamarijn hotel.

My heart and soul are at peace knowing that that piece of shit is getting fucked up the ass every single day of his miserable life.

I'm 100% sure that once he is released, the Flores' family will have a paid assassin waiting for him and giving him a nice Colombian necktie.

Wow.  Pretty creepy to be there when it happened.  I would have been a little shaken. 

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Re: New evidence brings arrests in teen's Aruba disappearance
« Reply #39 on: March 20, 2018, 08:55:02 PM »
Fucked up thing is that I was in Aruba when the disappearance took place. I was at the then Tamarijn hotel.

My heart and soul are at peace knowing that that piece of shit is getting fucked up the ass every single day of his miserable life.

I'm 100% sure that once he is released, the Flores' family will have a paid assassin waiting for him and giving him a nice Colombian necktie.

I don't doubt he takes plenty for the team, and that he just loves it, but the prisons there tmk aren't quite as terrible as it should seem for that area of the world.  He pretty much skated on everything, including his sentence.  He lives in something similar to a dorm room and continues to be a punk bitch as much as possible.  His father, I do believe was a judge, and who had something to do with protecting him (imo) died from a heart attack which might've been related to stress.  It reminds me of Kelly Ryan's mom, who basically went nuts after Kelly went to prison, and who died by way of a similar fate.

Kids today!!   >:(  What shall we do?

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Re: New evidence brings arrests in teen's Aruba disappearance
« Reply #40 on: March 20, 2018, 09:03:18 PM »
And the girl's dad must be getting very old by now.  If he wanted to fix Sloot's wagon he should've done it by now.  The prison would be good cover, for sure.

No, I think The Sloot will look to profit off his knowledge of the crime once he's back out.  I'm sure he's quite irritating IRL, though, so it's not to say someone won't get to him just for practice or principle.  He should know that a certain "hero" aspect to psychology will cause him to be marked for attack.  Maybe toning down his pathological irreverence would be a good idea.

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Re: New evidence brings arrests in teen's Aruba disappearance
« Reply #41 on: March 20, 2018, 09:12:44 PM »
Btw, Aruban prosecution claimed "no human" remains were in the area of interest -- and yet it turned out there was.

What does that say about them?   ???

For one thing, it's hard to believe anything they say.  Very difficult to place confidence in them.  It reminds me of a story a guy once told about visiting Jamaica and being herded off the road in his car by a police barrier.  The cop was so dim as to actually hold the guy's driving permit upside down while pretending to be able to read.  Not too confidence-boosting, for sure.

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Re: New evidence brings arrests in teen's Aruba disappearance
« Reply #42 on: October 18, 2023, 12:44:32 PM »
Joran van der Sloot has confessed to killing Natalee Holloway
Natalee Holloway was killed on an Aruba beach after refusing Joran van der Sloot's unwanted sexual advances
By Adam Sabes , Michael Ruiz Fox News
Published October 18, 2023
https://www.foxnews.com/us/judge-says-joran-van-der-sloot-confessed-killing-natalee-holloway

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Re: New evidence brings arrests in teen's Aruba disappearance
« Reply #43 on: October 27, 2023, 03:26:33 PM »
Good! Sloot is trash!
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Re: New evidence brings arrests in teen's Aruba disappearance
« Reply #44 on: October 28, 2023, 04:08:28 AM »
Fox News just reported that Trump will be having a press conference about this new information this afternoon

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