A little head game with you guys

[joelocal]

I never said you had a bad physique. I am saying you came into a show a fucking half-assed it. Whats the point of doing it if you are going to half-ass do something. The way you did this show reflects onto your personal life.

Reflects on my personal life? How? I own a home on the beach, I have a great family (some on here even met my family at the show), I always do what I say (exept for staying off here LOL) I've backed everything I've said, so I came in soft and trust me son, I didn't half-ass it, I'm just not willing to put myself at that kind of risk, if thats "half-assing" it, then you have ALOT to learn.......besides, you're 16..YOU DO have alot to learn!

Hey Leafy, do you think you could have beat me.......all 6'2 146lbs of you? Just say the word brother, pick a show and I'll be there, I'd be happy to do one more against you just to shut your pie hole!

As a matter of fact, I may just have one more in me anyway....Mmmmmmm!

[Matt C]

Joe, you started at 230 and ended up 195?  And you did all of this drug free?  Discuss.

[Camel Jockey]

Joe, you started at 230 and ended up 195?  And you did all of this drug free?  Discuss.

LOL 

[joelocal]

Joe, you started at 230 and ended up 195?  And you did all of this drug free?  Discuss.

Matt, you know as well as I do I never said I was drug free.

[joelocal]

LOL 

I personally thought that was funny too...LOL!

[wes mantooth]

I always do what I say (exept for staying off here LOL)

were not laughing. please go....

be a man of your word

[joelocal]

were not laughing. please go....

be a man of your word

Check out the title of this thread, it's for haters like you, my study is almost complete.

[Matt C]

Matt, you know as well as I do I never said I was drug free.

I meant during your 18 week diet...were you drug free?  Ephedrine doesn't count as a drug.  Did you use clen?

[The_Leafy_Bug]

Reflects on my personal life? How? I own a home on the beach, I have a great family (some on here even met my family at the show), I always do what I say (exept for staying off here LOL) I've backed everything I've said, so I came in soft and trust me son, I didn't half-ass it, I'm just not willing to put myself at that kind of risk, if thats "half-assing" it, then you have ALOT to learn.......besides, you're 16..YOU DO have alot to learn!

Hey Leafy, do you think you could have beat me.......all 6'2 146lbs of you? Just say the word brother, pick a show and I'll be there, I'd be happy to do one more against you just to shut your pie hole!

As a matter of fact, I may just have one more in me anyway....Mmmmmmm!

Would you wait for me to get into the same weight class as you? If i was 200 lbs i would destroy you. Hope this helps...

[joelocal]

Would you wait for me to get into the same weight class as you? If i was 200 lbs i would destroy you. Hope this helps...

If I waited for you to get to 200, my grandchildren would have grandchildren..LOL!

[The_Leafy_Bug]

If I waited for you to get to 200, my grandchildren would have grandchildren..LOL!

The conditioning you brought for that show is simmilar to the condition i have in the offseason except you might be a little leaner.

[gh15]

If you got a spare min or so check this out

(that new kid Jeff Long)

i actually checked this out,,those are the reason i can understand goverment regulation of hormones in usa,,those 2 are nothing but hormones,,2 of the worst physiqes i have seen to date,,that includes local shows!,,both guys will go back to 150-170lb in record time within 3-6 months if werre ever to be off for that long

the torso is a mess ,,but even the arms which suppose to be anything on them that shouts ,,"hey i lift"..even those arms look horrid,,all fat and oil very little muscle ,,very little true well developed muscle

shame for what bodybuilding has become,,i cant even say bodybuilding in this case,,its simply shame to enter a gym wearing a tank top looking like that,,better be natural

joe looked very good for 45 or how ever old he is,,condition was not on 100% but at this age maybe rusty and skip can bring it 100% ..not even them,,he looked better than ron last o..had all body parts attached and looked ripped and thick

[wes mantooth]

Check out the title of this thread, it's for haters like you, my study is almost complete.

add this to your study....

i dont "hate" you...and im not going to be a child and "hate" on your physique...that is stupid. although i agree that your conditioning wasnt exactly to par on that day, you have a physique that most getbiggers would die for and hold it while in your forties...you should be applauded for your return to competition

what i do HATE....are people who are not true to their word. they say one thing...yet do another. regardless of the consequense..or the situation, a person needs to be held to their word.


you are preachy and close minded. you claim to be a religious man, yet lack honesty and conviction. these actions are a direct reflection of your character and you should apoligize to the entire board for not holding true.


if you are the man you THINK you are...it shouldnt be too hard to pm ron again and delete "joelocal"

[joelocal]

add this to your study....

i dont "hate" you...and im not going to be a child and "hate" on your physique...that is stupid. although i agree that your conditioning wasnt exactly to par on that day, you have a physique that most getbiggers would die for and hold it while in your forties...you should be applauded for your return to competition

what i do HATE....are people who are not true to their word. they say one thing...yet do another. regardless of the consequense..or the situation, a person needs to be held to their word.


you are preachy and close minded. you claim to be a religious man, yet lack honesty and conviction. these actions are a direct reflection of your character and you should apoligize to the entire board for not holding true.


if you are the man you THINK you are...it shouldnt be too hard to pm ron again and delete "joelocal"

Addictions are hard to kick, sometimes you have to ween yourself off. But I'm starting to overcome my addiction, don't worry! BTW, I'm proably one of the more honests people on here, I can back up what I say.

[Van_Bilderass]

trust me son, I didn't half-ass it, I'm just not willing to put myself at that kind of risk, if thats "half-assing" it, then you have ALOT to learn......

Jesus Christ!

What risk are you talking about? You have preached here for years about how the old-timers came in in fantastic conditioning on minimal drugs. You said you were going to be shredded, and doing it the old-school way.

Like On_Swole said, there are naturals (and "naturals") who get crazy ripped. He was probably correct saying that you just didn't have enough time and you started your prep too late.

These excuses (and yes, that's what they are) are pathetic and reflect poorly on you.

[joelocal]

Jesus Christ!

What risk are you talking about? You have preached here for years about how the old-timers came in in fantastic conditioning on minimal drugs. You said you were going to be shredded, and doing it the old-school way.

Like On_Swole said, there are naturals (and "naturals") who get crazy ripped. He was probably correct saying that you just didn't have enough time and you started your prep too late.

These excuses (and yes, that's what they are) are pathetic and reflect poorly on you.

I thought you knew more than that Van, one I don't believe there is no such thing as a natural, and you have to understand, it's hard to compare me, who hasn't dieted down in 17 years to someone who does multiple shows each year, no I wasn't shredded like I thought I would be, I realize it's going to take a couple of more times, that's basic bodybuilding commonsense...BUT, I wasn't that far off compared to everyone else and you look at the comparison pics in the rear double bi shot (my arms are lacking, I understand that) but in the Masters class, looking at the pics, I had everyone beat in shape and detail and that includes the winner, Hughs. In the open Lt. Hvys...samething, exept for Kamal, I had everyone beat from the rear and my fron t..again, wasn't that far off....especially the 20lbs you thought I had to lose. Here's the Lt. Hvy comparisons....the dude on the left of me placed second (top pic)..



 Open Light Heavys....




Masters heavys.....




I also have a question that maybe Bob Chick can answer......Bob, I just found out that Kamal was actually an IFBB pro, what is he doing in this show and he's been a pro for a long time...WTF??


http://contests.ironmanmagazine.com/index.cfm?go2=contests_competitor&CompetitorID=1933

[Alex A]

Hi everyone!

I just wanted to say that...We are all bodybuilders here.  We love to train, get in shape and look good. 

But competing is a whole different story.  I do not know most of you guys on here but the harshest critics  seem to be those that have not competed, but then again I can see your point too, your just giving your opinions.  Once you step on stage for the first time, you will look at pictures, etc and realize what a bitch it was to do the show. 

 Just please keep in mind, its alot easier said than done. So many factors contribute to looking your best on stage. Many of them, we have no control over. Such as the fact that  we have no control over who shows up.  And in this case, this show had some pretty darn good competitors for a regional show. 

 Remember guys, It is a bitch to actually get out there and get on stage and leave your fate in the eyes of the judges. We  have no control over the placings the judges give us. It takes some real balls to get on stage after a long layoff.

 That is why I give credit to anyone who actually does it.  It was guys like Joe who made the show.  And most everyone else just sat, watched and looked at his pictures,.  Bodybuilding and competing are really two different things, I think Joe should really be given some respect here!

[Van_Bilderass]

I thought you knew more than that Van, one I don't believe there is no such thing as a natural, and you have to understand, it's hard to compare me, who hasn't dieted down in 17 years to someone who does multiple shows each year, no I wasn't shredded like I thought I would be, I realize it's going to take a couple of more times, that's basic bodybuilding commonsense...BUT, I wasn't that far off compared to everyone else and you look at the comparison pics in the rear double bi shot (my arms are lacking, I understand that) but in the Masters class, looking at the pics, I had everyone beat in shape and detail and that includes the winner, Hughs. In the open Lt. Hvys...samething, exept for Kamal, I had everyone beat from the rear and my fron t..again, wasn't that far off....especially the 20lbs you thought I had to lose. Here's the Lt. Hvy comparisons....the dude on the left of me placed second (top pic)..

I think you looked good. Very good, especially for your age. It's just the excuses that suck. All that matters is what you bring to the stage. Less drugs, more drugs, no one cares or should care.

[jetpower]

add this to your study....

i dont "hate" you...and im not going to be a child and "hate" on your physique...that is stupid. although i agree that your conditioning wasnt exactly to par on that day, you have a physique that most getbiggers would die for and hold it while in your forties...you should be applauded for your return to competition

what i do HATE....are people who are not true to their word. they say one thing...yet do another. regardless of the consequense..or the situation, a person needs to be held to their word.


you are preachy and close minded. you claim to be a religious man, yet lack honesty and conviction. these actions are a direct reflection of your character and you should apoligize to the entire board for not holding true.


if you are the man you THINK you are...it shouldnt be too hard to pm ron again and delete "joelocal"

it
is
pathological

[davidpaul]

Stop looking at things in shades of black and white. It isn't about positivity or negativity but honesty. Hope this helps!!

Honesty is a big thing I agree,

what do you think of people who claim to be natural and aren't, a lot of those people around.

[GoneAway]

honesty only applies if uve got a conscience or people are too smart to believe that ur natty (aka brandon curry). if no one can prove u wrong, whats the big deal with lying

[BEAST 8692]

did you use a lot of insulin intenseone coach joecal?

it's just that your muscles just didn't pop like the other guys and you had a distended gut.

i've got to commend you though. this is the first time i have actually witnessed cellulite on a competitive bber. your hams were riddled with it.

maybe you should get larger sized posing trunks before you do your next show to accomodate your fat droopy ass. all those folds of loose skin on your lower back, abs, glutes were lierally bulging out at the seams.

you've got a very blocky physique. i still can't believe you even mentioned zane as a comparison to yourself. you do know that mike arvilla, in his last show, was closer to being in the same condition and appearance as zane?

your upper back was ok, your arms and chest were flat and small and your calves and legs looked like you hadn't trained them in 7 years.

hope this helps joe.

[Cleanest Natural]

did you use a lot of insulin intenseone coach joecal?

it's just that your muscles just didn't pop like the other guys and you had a distended gut.

i've got to commend you though. this is the first time i have actually witnessed cellulite on a competitive bber. your hams were riddled with it.

maybe you should get larger sized posing trunks before you do your next show to accomodate your fat droopy ass. all those folds of loose skin on your lower back, abs, glutes were lierally bulging out at the seams.

you've got a very blocky physique. i still can't believe you even mentioned zane as a comparison to yourself. you do know that mike arvilla, in his last show, was closer to being in the same condition and appearance as zane?

your upper back was ok, your arms and chest were flat and small and your calves and legs looked like you hadn't trained them in 7 years.

hope this helps joe.

he does strike a resemblance to Zane , structure and symetry wise and this is the best compliment I can pay to this 40 something warrior who owned everysingle one who ragged on him

[bebop396]

Hi everyone!

I just wanted to say that...We are all bodybuilders here.  We love to train, get in shape and look good. 

But competing is a whole different story.  I do not know most of you guys on here but the harshest critics  seem to be those that have not competed, but then again I can see your point too, your just giving your opinions.  Once you step on stage for the first time, you will look at pictures, etc and realize what a bitch it was to do the show. 

 Just please keep in mind, its alot easier said than done. So many factors contribute to looking your best on stage. Many of them, we have no control over. Such as the fact that  we have no control over who shows up.  And in this case, this show had some pretty darn good competitors for a regional show. 

 Remember guys, It is a bitch to actually get out there and get on stage and leave your fate in the eyes of the judges. We  have no control over the placings the judges give us. It takes some real balls to get on stage after a long layoff.

 That is why I give credit to anyone who actually does it.  It was guys like Joe who made the show.  And most everyone else just sat, watched and looked at his pictures,.  Bodybuilding and competing are really two different things, I think Joe should really be given some respect here!

Voice of reason, good post....Who cares what he said he would do, how conditioned he would be, what excuses he had....Attacking a mans integrity from observing posts he made on a bodybuilding board? are you serious?

Funny thing for me is i base no opinion of anyone by their posts on this board or any other....The ones attacking i guess might just be having some fun and just messing around....Maybe im the one taking it too seriously....

Im sure no matter how bad it got on here with the shit talking, the dares and crap, you meet in person, its all bullshit...There are exceptions with the likes of people sending porn images of another user to their mom, and then that user getting spit on at a bodybuilding show but thats at another level of insanity....That, you can base an opinion on, of integrity....

[BEAST 8692]

he does strike a resemblance to Zane , structure and symetry wise and this is the best compliment I can pay to this 40 something warrior who owned everysingle one who ragged on him

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zane's structure was completely different to joe.

zane had wide clavicles and small hips, joints and waist.  joe has narrow shoulders, zero taper and very wide hips and waist.

zane's stomach never protruded, joe looks like a trucker with a pot belly.

zane never competed with rolls of fat bulging out from his lower back, glutes and waist.

btw, the pic you posted of Joe is about 23 years old.