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Re: Making 'Mistakes' VS. Committing Crimes....
« Reply #25 on: December 21, 2007, 04:27:37 PM »
nobody loves and trust their government  ::)

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Re: Making 'Mistakes' VS. Committing Crimes....
« Reply #26 on: December 21, 2007, 04:30:45 PM »
nobody loves and trust their government  ::)

Socialists do!  (we call them "democrats" in the US).
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« Reply #27 on: December 21, 2007, 05:05:48 PM »
Socialists do!  (we call them "democrats" in the US).

Haha...agreed!

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« Reply #28 on: December 22, 2007, 05:54:59 AM »
Socialists do!  (we call them "democrats" in the US).

In 'socialist' countries they have a good medical system and blue collar and white collar workers get a fair salary. The US is a great place if your rich otherwise it's work work work with little benefits and chance to improve your lives!

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« Reply #29 on: December 22, 2007, 06:31:05 AM »
In 'socialist' countries they have a good medical system

Bullshit. 

For anything from simple diagnostic procedures to specialized surgery, here you can get stuff done within days, whereas in Canada or Europe you often have to wait months for the same thing.


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and blue collar and white collar workers get a fair salary.

Quit talking out your ass. It's the US that has the highest per capita income in the world, not Europe. (Among countries of any size... I'm not counting Luxemborg or Switzerland, who have populations smaller than the city I live in.).  Then you take that European salary that's smaller to begin with and cut it in half with crushing taxes that are twice what ours are.


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The US is a great place if your rich otherwise it's work work work with little benefits and chance to improve your lives!

If you're in the US and you're not rich by the time you're 40 it's your own fault.  One thing is for sure...  if you can't do it in the US, you sure as hell couldn't do it in Europe.
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Re: Making 'Mistakes' VS. Committing Crimes....
« Reply #30 on: December 22, 2007, 07:06:00 AM »
sleeping late and being late for work or school is a mistake, beating up your wife, selling drugs or carrying a weapon is a CRIME, big difference.


beating your wife isn't a crime in Kentucky

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« Reply #31 on: December 22, 2007, 08:23:34 PM »
In 'socialist' countries they have a good medical system and blue collar and white collar workers get a fair salary. The US is a great place if your rich otherwise it's work work work with little benefits and chance to improve your lives!

And, as far as all of these other, oh-so fabulous socialist health care plans...don't forget...then general tax base in these freaky countries is aroiund thge 70% range of your total icome...try seeing hoiw well that will float around here, keemosabe!

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« Reply #32 on: December 22, 2007, 08:25:42 PM »
Bullshit. 

For anything from simple diagnostic procedures to specialized surgery, here you can get stuff done within days, whereas in Canada or Europe you often have to wait months for the same thing.


Quit talking out your ass. It's the US that has the highest per capita income in the world, not Europe. (Among countries of any size... I'm not counting Luxemborg or Switzerland, who have populations smaller than the city I live in.).  Then you take that European salary that's smaller to begin with and cut it in half with crushing taxes that are twice what ours are.


If you're in the US and you're not rich by the time you're 40 it's your own fault.  One thing is for sure...  if you can't do it in the US, you sure as hell couldn't do it in Europe.

That's right.

I have no sympathy if yoiu are 40 years old and don't have $20 bucks for a co-pay.

You know what that means:

It means:

POOR CHOICES/ POOR PLANNING...can even mean that you are a LOSER and toi quit blaming everyone excepot yourself.

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Re: Making 'Mistakes' VS. Committing Crimes....
« Reply #33 on: December 23, 2007, 01:09:59 AM »
We need guns in Canada.

I thought the founding fathers in the USA already made it clear why this is an important right.  Geez.

Whenever a gun death happens in Canada, some moron politician comes on the air and explains why more gun control is necessary.  Fucking idiot - do you think people who KILL people with guns would obey gun laws?  How much of a dumb fuck must you be to not GET that?
In Australia we had the Port Arthur Massacre where 43 people were executed by a lone gunmen, A semi automatic rifle AK47.

The PrimeMinister of Australia banned all Semi automatic rifles and people handed in there weapons in the amnesty and were compensated.

Handguns are banned except under special circumstances (Sercurity,Police)

In Australia since this happened in 96 the death toll from guns is about 20 a year with a population of 21 Million people.

This argument people kill people not guns is nonsensical they have there fingers on the trigger.
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Re: Making 'Mistakes' VS. Committing Crimes....
« Reply #34 on: December 23, 2007, 12:59:14 PM »
Bullshit. 

For anything from simple diagnostic procedures to specialized surgery, here you can get stuff done within days, whereas in Canada or Europe you often have to wait months for the same thing.

Correct if you got the money for it!


Quit talking out your ass. It's the US that has the highest per capita income in the world, not Europe. (Among countries of any size... I'm not counting Luxemborg or Switzerland, who have populations smaller than the city I live in.).  Then you take that European salary that's smaller to begin with and cut it in half with crushing taxes that are twice what ours are.

Almost Correct but these figures are biased because of the unfair income system, a few earn a lot the rest does not

In the US insurance is a lot higher due to a) less competition between insurance companies and b) less insured people (if everybody needs to be insured than then the average costs is a lot lower than in the case it's voluntary. So yes your are taking more to home but the minute you are home you need to pay a lot more!

Research shows that in the last 20 years blue collar workers, and even white collar workers, in real terms had hardly any income rise.

If you're in the US and you're not rich by the time you're 40 it's your own fault.  One thing is for sure...  if you can't do it in the US, you sure as hell couldn't do it in Europe.

Wrong, research shows that the American Dream is harder, perhaps not attainable, than it was 30 years ago. Furthermore, chances are higher for the american dream in Europe or China than in the US.



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Re: Making 'Mistakes' VS. Committing Crimes....
« Reply #35 on: December 23, 2007, 01:02:11 PM »
That's right.

I have no sympathy if yoiu are 40 years old and don't have $20 bucks for a co-pay.

You know what that means:

It means:

POOR CHOICES/ POOR PLANNING...can even mean that you are a LOSER and toi quit blaming everyone excepot yourself.

Mike


Poor choices poor planning? I agree that one has responsibility for your own life but what if you got sick or are born with poor parents, no skill etc.. In the US chances are that you end up in shitty life, in 'socialist' countries we offer these people a good life!

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Re: Making 'Mistakes' VS. Committing Crimes....
« Reply #36 on: December 23, 2007, 01:05:10 PM »
And, as far as all of these other, oh-so fabulous socialist health care plans...don't forget...then general tax base in these freaky countries is aroiund thge 70% range of your total icome...try seeing hoiw well that will float around here, keemosabe!

Mike 

Wrong again. First it ain't around the 70% range. Second, there is a difference between nominal (the 70%) and effective rates. In the Netherland the highest nominal rate is 52%, however due to various tax exemptions the average rate is about 30-35% which include good health care! To give an example, a top notch insurance costs about 400 dollars a month for a family of 4 people! How much does it cost in the US??

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« Reply #37 on: December 23, 2007, 01:09:17 PM »
Wrong again. First it ain't around the 70% range. Second, there is a difference between nominal (the 70%) and effective rates. In the Netherland the highest nominal rate is 52%, however due to various tax exemptions the average rate is about 30-35% which include good health care! To give an example, a top notch insurance costs about 400 dollars a month for a family of 4 people! How much does it cost in the US??

I am a doctor.

I pay for myself and ENTIRE STAFF for 800 bucks per month. No co-pays.

Would you rather have your appendix removed in an outdoor cafe in calcutta? Or inb the sterile confines of Yale?

Quit your smoking, overeating, drinkjng, lack of exercise, etc., and we'd eliminate the fed health care deficit.

Nothing beats the US. Nothing.

And, In all fairness, I should be the first to bitch, being in health care myself.

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Re: Making 'Mistakes' VS. Committing Crimes....
« Reply #38 on: December 23, 2007, 01:57:46 PM »
I am a doctor.

I pay for myself and ENTIRE STAFF for 800 bucks per month. No co-pays.

Would you rather have your appendix removed in an outdoor cafe in calcutta? Or inb the sterile confines of Yale?

Quit your smoking, overeating, drinkjng, lack of exercise, etc., and we'd eliminate the fed health care deficit.

Nothing beats the US. Nothing.

And, In all fairness, I should be the first to bitch, being in health care myself.

First of all, you are working in the medical sector. So why do you think you get a cheap insurance policy??

I agree that the US has the best health care, but only for those who can afford it! That is my point. On average, health care is superior in Europa where everybody and i mean everybody get's treated properly. Let me ask you this. If you lack a proper insurance or are poor, and you get seriously ill, where do you want to live....


Life style and effects on health is another discussion (which we agree on)


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« Reply #39 on: December 23, 2007, 06:10:33 PM »
First of all, you are working in the medical sector. So why do you think you get a cheap insurance policy??

No...it makes no difference

I agree that the US has the best health care, but only for those who can afford it!

It is YOUR CHOICE to afford it or not.

YOU are a product of yoiur actions. If you treat your body like shit for a lifetime, do not expect comfortrable, affordable healthcare.

That is my point. On average, health care is superior in Europa where everybody and i mean everybody get's treated properly. Let me ask you this. If you lack a proper insurance or are poor, and you get seriously ill, where do you want to live....

I respectfully disagree, but you may have some valid points. I still say nothing beats the USA.


Life style and effects on health is another discussion (which we agree on)



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Re: Making 'Mistakes' VS. Committing Crimes....
« Reply #40 on: December 23, 2007, 06:28:54 PM »
sleeping late and being late for work or school is a mistake, beating up your wife, selling drugs or carrying a weapon is a CRIME, big difference.
for you maybe ;D

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« Reply #41 on: December 24, 2007, 05:20:04 PM »
First of all, you are working in the medical sector. So why do you think you get a cheap insurance policy??

PS: Never meant that I get A CHEAP policy...simnply that I make enough to afford a good one, AND REALIZE I'd rather had good policy versus $8 Latte's from Starbucks, Ipods and gas guzzling SUV's.

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I agree that the US has the best health care, but only for those who can afford it! That is my point. On average, health care is superior in Europa where everybody and i mean everybody get's treated properly. Let me ask you this. If you lack a proper insurance or are poor, and you get seriously ill, where do you want to live....


Life style and effects on health is another discussion (which we agree on)