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Bill And Hillary's Experienced Lies
« on: December 24, 2007, 09:50:37 AM »
With her sad and fruitless attempt at attacking Barack Obama's kindergarten ambitions behind her (by the way, who in her campaign hunted down and interrogated his teacher, and under what pretense?), Hillary Clinton is back on the Obama-no-experience track, a safer, if not necessarily more productive approach.

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To that effect, she now associates herself with the non-threatening single-digit crew (Bill Richardson, Joe Biden and Chris Dodd) and their combined 88 years in elected public office, ignoring the fact that she is far closer in experience to Obama than she is to them. As was her husband when he first considered running for president in 1988: kicked out of the Arkansas governor's office by voters in 1980 (returning in 1982), he skipped the '88 contest to succeed Ronald Reagan. When he did run, in 1992, he had a total of 12 years as chief executive of a small, poor state with few international links. Despite some successes (notably in education), after a straight 10 years in office, Governor Clinton barely managed to lift his state from poorest in the country to second poorest, just a hair ahead of Mississippi.

Nonetheless, he went on to win the nomination, defeat an incumbent president and rule for eight years. Whatever one's assessment of his presidency, clearly he did not run the country into the ground, regardless of his previous experience, or lack thereof. But now, in true Clinton style (a mix of chutzpah and straight lying), Bill lectures Obama about waiting his turn, as he says he did in 1988. Of course, we know this is not true, because it never is, but it's also nice to know that people close to the Clintons remember things differently, specifically that he backed away from running then because of concerns about his womanizing in the wake of the Gary Hart scandal.

Besides Bill's relative success as president, there is no clearer affirmation that experience is not all it's cracked up to be than Hillary, Biden and Dodd's vote in favor of the Iraq war resolution, despite (or is it because of?) their accumulated wisdom. All three of them long ago forfeited their right to lecture anyone on foreign policy, let alone one (Obama) who opposed the pointless, devastating war they started and that they now claim they have the experience to end.

Established politicians like to claim that in a post-9/11, post-Iraq, post-Katrina world, experience counts more than ever. But 9/11, Iraq and the Katrina disgrace happened on their watch, and sometimes with their active participation. Why would we trust that things would be any different now, and why have their mistakes (or their cynicism) earned them a right to a promotion? Some observers dismiss Obama's original anti-war stance as being not risky because he did so from the safety of the Illinois state senate. That presumes there was a risk for those who voted for the war from the discomfort of Congress, and the question is fear of what? Voters? Do we really think that Clinton would have had trouble getting reelected in New York for being anti-war? Senators from states far less liberal than hers, such as Florida, Michigan or Wisconsin, voted against the war. So was it fear of voters nationally that was spurring this hawkishness?

In a satisfying twist, those national voters have turned against the war and are giving Obama a second look, partly because of his original stance on the war. Of course, the fact that Hillary is caught wrong-footed again, this time on Iran, does not enhance the tale that her experience leads to good judgment.

If she played it right, Hillary could probably drive home the point that Obama lacks experience, but instead she unravels, and accuses him of being ambitious and dishonest: how ironic is that?

For years, many of us have been in awe of the Clintons, really in awe: a little scared and a little admiring. But the spell finally broke in the past couple of weeks, when both halves of the couple looked a little ridiculous, and a little desperate.

She, tone-deaf as so often (did she not talk about one-night stands with her middle-aged rural audience this week?), went for her version of the jugular, Obama's musings as a 5-year-old. Her husband, a practiced liar, tried to get away with the biggest lie he could think of: that he had always opposed the war in Iraq.

After the hundreds of polls, focus groups, and various analyses they and others have paid for, surely the Clintons know by now that their Achilles' heel is their unbearable prevarication. It goes to show how deeply embedded this deceptiveness is that these two smart, accomplished actors are simply unable to even pretend to be honest.

After seven years of George W. Bush, and two uninspiring Democratic presidential candidates in Al Gore and John Kerry, we were really missing Bill, but next to Obama's fresh, open-faced, apparent candor, Bill is an unpleasant caricature of the lip-biting, mischievous, smart guy we loved back in the day. And lying about his support for a war that has had horrendous consequences is on another level altogether than covering up for sleeping with subalterns (in itself not a very pretty thing).

Hillary never oozed public charm, so there is no fading charisma there, but she should know better than to lash out about, of all things, another candidate's presidential ambitions.

And so here they are, looking annoyed, perhaps even angry, at the stupidity of voters in Iowa, New Hampshire and elsewhere who are not giving them a free pass to their second presidency. Maybe the Clintons no longer have the fight in them. Or maybe they just need to feel cornered to get their juices going, in which case, it could get very ugly, especially in South Carolina if Hillary loses the first two states.

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Re: Bill And Hillary's Experienced Lies
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2007, 09:56:40 AM »
With her sad and fruitless attempt at attacking Barack Obama's kindergarten ambitions behind her (by the way, who in her campaign hunted down and interrogated his teacher, and under what pretense?), Hillary Clinton is back on the Obama-no-experience track, a safer, if not necessarily more productive approach.


That was a joke made by Mrs. Clinton. 

The LIBERAL media took it as an earnest assault on the young senator...just look at how that nutbag Chris Matthews handled it.

Accusing a politician of being ambitious is hilarious...no shit they are ambitious.

Reporting like this is such a disappointment b/c it's insulting, non-informative, and sophmoric.

In other words, it's exactly what we've come to expect from the liberal media.

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Re: Bill And Hillary's Experienced Lies
« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2007, 10:01:14 AM »
What part of it was a joke?

Was the entire thing made up (he never said that in Kindergarten?)
Or did she actually research it, then say it with a straight face, then tell us it was a joke when it backfired?
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Re: Bill And Hillary's Experienced Lies
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2007, 10:16:57 AM »
What part of it was a joke?

Was the entire thing made up (he never said that in Kindergarten?)
Or did she actually research it, then say it with a straight face, then tell us it was a joke when it backfired?
I see your serious about this.

How does this grave statement affect her political platform?

Granted, it was profoundly stupid to release such a statement b/c of all the rightwing idiots out there that would surely jump all over it.

Just think for a second about this:  what kindergarten kids write essays?  It's a joke picking at his ambitions.  A bad joke, but a joke.


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Re: Bill And Hillary's Experienced Lies
« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2007, 10:45:57 AM »
I see your serious about this.

How does this grave statement affect her political platform?

Granted, it was profoundly stupid to release such a statement b/c of all the rightwing idiots out there that would surely jump all over it.

Just think for a second about this:  what kindergarten kids write essays?  It's a joke picking at his ambitions.  A bad joke, but a joke.

I agree it was no big deal.  Unless she did actually cite a teacher, a date, or an exact essay.
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Re: Bill And Hillary's Experienced Lies
« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2007, 10:51:27 AM »
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I see your serious about this.

How does this grave statement affect her political platform?

Granted, it was profoundly stupid to release such a statement b/c of all the rightwing idiots out there that would surely jump all over it.

Just think for a second about this:  what kindergarten kids write essays?  It's a joke picking at his ambitions.  A bad joke, but a joke.

You're 100% wrong !

nothing that the Clinton's say is off of the cuff, or meant to be a joke.

Anyone remember "File Gate " ?

for those on here that don't, well during the 90's while the Clinton's were in the White House, they turned the Basement into a collection room, to collect and file FBI classified reports on any and all of who they considered to be their enemies, or future enemies


read :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filegate





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Re: Bill And Hillary's Experienced Lies
« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2007, 10:59:48 AM »
You're 100% wrong !

nothing that the Clinton's say is off of the cuff, or meant to be a joke.

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That's crazy talk.

Filegate...what was the final disposition on that again?

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Re: Bill And Hillary's Experienced Lies
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2007, 11:28:29 AM »
what was the final verdict on the O.J Simpson's murder trial ?      ::)    and your point is ?

It was proved that they did it, but with their usual  " I don't recall " or " I don't remember " or  define "is" , and etc...

the case was closed, as with most cases against sitting Presidents, such as Iran contra, and  many other's

that does not mean it did not happen....

once again, just read about it.   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filegate









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Re: Bill And Hillary's Experienced Lies
« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2007, 11:52:46 AM »
what was the final verdict on the O.J Simpson's murder trial ?      ::)    and your point is ?

It was proved that they did it, but with their usual  " I don't recall " or " I don't remember " or  define "is" , and etc...

the case was closed, as with most cases against sitting Presidents, such as Iran contra, and  many other's

that does not mean it did not happen....

once again, just read about it.   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filegate Ray determined that there was no credible evidence of any criminal activity by any individual in the matter.

The Clinton opposition out there created so many scandals that were nonsense.










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Re: Bill And Hillary's Experienced Lies
« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2007, 12:23:46 PM »
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The Clinton opposition out there created so many scandals that were nonsense.

what nonsense ?

it happened, even the FBI admitted  it, as every file that was ordered from the FBI, the FBI recorded it.


keep your head in the sand if it makes you feel better about Hillary   :o   :o   :o   :o


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Re: Bill And Hillary's Experienced Lies
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2007, 12:28:49 PM »
what nonsense ?

it happened, even the FBI admitted  it, as every file that was ordered from the FBI, the FBI recorded it.


keep your head in the sand if it makes you feel better about Hillary   :o   :o   :o   :o


I don't give a shit about Filegate.  Are you still pissed about the Teapot Dome Scandal?

Where is your proof? 

Your link is missing about the FBI.  I know that Both Ken Starr and his successor found no wrongdoing.

Yet you keep beating a dead horse.

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Re: Bill And Hillary's Experienced Lies
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2007, 12:56:53 PM »
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I don't give a shit about Filegate.  Are you still pissed about the Teapot Dome Scandal?

Where is your proof?

Your link is missing about the FBI.  I know that Both Ken Starr and his successor found no wrongdoing.

they could not prove that the Clintons  personally asked  for the collection of FBI files in their basement,
but the guy who did it  (Livingston ) who was from Arkansas, and was hired to work for the Clinton's, said nothing in the hearings but " uh.. I don't remember ...."

their was never any denying it, they were caught with all the FBI files, they just let Livingston take the fall.

Yet you keep beating a dead horse.oh I see now, your candidate Hillary wants us to constantly look back to the 90's and all that he/she accomplished,

but yet you say the opposite,   dont look back ...............   :o   :o   :o

so tell me decker-dummy, what has Hillary accomplished in her Political tenure that impresses you ?
waiting......

here is a nice video of your Hillary:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYATbsu2cP8

Hillary talks about now knowing  of no WMD's, and would still have voted for the war !   
defend that decker -dummy   ::)   ::)   ::)    ::)

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Re: Bill And Hillary's Experienced Lies
« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2007, 06:34:25 PM »
Hillary has openly stated that based on the intelligence she was givin at the time she supported the war.
It became evident to her and many others that there were no WMDs and wanted out.

Now billions of dollars later we have a coumpound being built in iraq that is the size of a small state........but of we plan on leaving sometime. ::)

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Re: Bill And Hillary's Experienced Lies
« Reply #13 on: December 25, 2007, 07:26:47 AM »

"It became evident to her and many others that there were no WMDs and wanted out."


wrong ,  watch the video in full.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYATbsu2cP8

She say's that knowing what we know now ( no WMD'S found in Iraq ) she would still have voted for the war.


"Now billions of dollars later we have a compound being built in Iraq that is the size of a small state........but of we plan on leaving sometime. "


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Re: Bill And Hillary's Experienced Lies
« Reply #14 on: December 25, 2007, 08:15:41 AM »
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Re: Bill And Hillary's Experienced Lies
« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2007, 03:31:55 PM »





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYATbsu2cP8

Hillary states  that now knowing that no WMD's were found in Iraq, she would stil have voted to go to war !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYATbsu2cP8








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