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Re: Which was the worst? Arnold 80, Yates 97, or Cutler 2007?
« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2008, 07:30:14 AM »


Sorry but is really one of the worst Mr O's I've ever seen..especially when you consider the quality of the field the year before.

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after seing this picture of Franco...I'll take Cutler back and give the worst title to 81 Franco

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Re: Which was the worst? Arnold 80, Yates 97, or Cutler 2007?
« Reply #26 on: January 26, 2008, 07:48:48 AM »
I wonder what it feels like to know you're going to win the O, yet are surrounded by your superiors.
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Re: Which was the worst? Arnold 80, Yates 97, or Cutler 2007?
« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2008, 07:54:40 AM »
I wonder what it feels like to know you're going to win the O, yet are surrounded by your superiors.
Good question. Must be really horrible...

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Re: Which was the worst? Arnold 80, Yates 97, or Cutler 2007?
« Reply #28 on: January 26, 2008, 08:38:50 AM »
From what I've seen it's pretty hard to tell. Just about everyone at the time thought Arnold 1980 was a scandal..the Austrian oak even got booed by the crowd!


Yates could've/should've lost both in 94 to Ray, AND in 97 to Nasser

Jay should've won the 2001 Olympia...

but by far the worst O showing would have to go to Jay in 07  :-X
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Re: Which was the worst? Arnold 80, Yates 97, or Cutler 2007?
« Reply #29 on: January 26, 2008, 08:44:08 AM »
I wonder what it feels like to know you're going to win the O, yet are surrounded by your superiors.

Some like Yates & Columbu have absolutely no shame to this day, despite the fact that others who made real sacrifice & dominated them came up empty.

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Re: Which was the worst? Arnold 80, Yates 97, or Cutler 2007?
« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2008, 08:48:58 AM »
Some like Yates & Columbu have absolutely no shame to this day, despite the fact that others who made real sacrifice & dominated them came up empty.

true. Yates 94 was really really bad. so was yates 97.

yates 94:
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Re: Which was the worst? Arnold 80, Yates 97, or Cutler 2007?
« Reply #31 on: January 26, 2008, 09:31:39 AM »
I have nothing against Yates' win. Out of the two remaining, I would have to say Cutler's "win" in 2007.

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Re: Which was the worst? Arnold 80, Yates 97, or Cutler 2007?
« Reply #32 on: January 26, 2008, 09:35:03 AM »
I wonder what it feels like to know you're going to win the O, yet are surrounded by your superiors.

like this? LOL

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Re: Which was the worst? Arnold 80, Yates 97, or Cutler 2007?
« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2008, 09:43:20 AM »
Hulkster - you clearly know your stuff and many of your arguments are compelling. However, what do you think about the theory (I won't call it 'fact' ) that since Haney it seems to be that the best back always wins no matter what.

For example..Haney clearly had the craziest back, despite having relatively small arms etc and often being matched from the front, he would turn around, spread his wings and it was game over.

Likewise with Dorian ..torn arms..or whatever..his back would see him through.

Same also with Ronnie..his gyno and gut would not matter when his alien back was flared.

I'm not saying I agree with it - I think it's stupid - but it really does seem to be these days that the biggest and best back wins the O. Even Cutler in 2006 had brought his back up to be on a par with Ronnie's slightly diminishing one. I won't mention 2007 as I don't think anyone thinks that Cutler was the real winner on physique alone.
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Re: Which was the worst? Arnold 80, Yates 97, or Cutler 2007?
« Reply #34 on: January 26, 2008, 09:46:12 AM »
Stop whining about Cutler. He deserve his 2 Mr O. He got 2 biceps, freaky calves, big as back, flat ripped belly, awesome legs, big as shoulders and pecs...what else do u want!!??

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Re: Which was the worst? Arnold 80, Yates 97, or Cutler 2007?
« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2008, 09:59:25 AM »
Stop whining about Cutler. He deserve his 2 Mr O. He got 2 biceps, freaky calves, big as back, flat ripped belly, awesome legs, big as shoulders and pecs...what else do u want!!??

The slightest resemblance of aesthetics?
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Re: Which was the worst? Arnold 80, Yates 97, or Cutler 2007?
« Reply #36 on: January 26, 2008, 10:01:15 AM »
Stop whining about Cutler. He deserve his 2 Mr O. He got 2 biceps, freaky calves, big as back, flat ripped belly, awesome legs, big as shoulders and pecs...what else do u want!!??
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Re: Which was the worst? Arnold 80, Yates 97, or Cutler 2007?
« Reply #37 on: January 26, 2008, 10:10:25 AM »
Hulkster - you clearly know your stuff and many of your arguments are compelling. However, what do you think about the theory (I won't call it 'fact' ) that since Haney it seems to be that the best back always wins no matter what.

For example..Haney clearly had the craziest back, despite having relatively small arms etc and often being matched from the front, he would turn around, spread his wings and it was game over.

Likewise with Dorian ..torn arms..or whatever..his back would see him through.



I don't think it's the back that did it, rather it's that flaws and balance issues became excusable when the powers that be in Weider and the IFBB decided who would win. I think the fact that both Yates & Haney had imbalances involving overpowering torsos was just an accident; if they'd had other imbalances instead the outcome would've been the same.

Columbu, another example of a guy with an overpowering back which is code for imbalance, simply should not have beaten Padilla-not plausible by any physical attribute. It was all behind the scenes crap we'll never know about.

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Re: Which was the worst? Arnold 80, Yates 97, or Cutler 2007?
« Reply #38 on: January 26, 2008, 10:11:34 AM »
So according to you, Martinez or Wolf should have won 07?

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Re: Which was the worst? Arnold 80, Yates 97, or Cutler 2007?
« Reply #39 on: January 26, 2008, 10:12:33 AM »
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Hulkster - you clearly know your stuff and many of your arguments are compelling

thanks, I am the exact opposite of NarcisissticDumbass in this regard lol
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Re: Which was the worst? Arnold 80, Yates 97, or Cutler 2007?
« Reply #40 on: January 26, 2008, 10:18:38 AM »

I don't think it's the back that did it, rather it's that flaws and balance issues became excusable when the powers that be in Weider and the IFBB decided who would win. I think the fact that both Yates & Haney had imbalances involving overpowering torsos was just an accident; if they'd had other imbalances instead the outcome would've been the same.

Columbu, another example of a guy with an overpowering back which is code for imbalance, simply should not have beaten Padilla-not plausible by any physical attribute. It was all behind the scenes crap we'll never know about.

I completely agree with you about the politics and Weider influence but I still think it's no coincidence that Haney, Yates and Ronnie had the defining back of their respective eras.
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Re: Which was the worst? Arnold 80, Yates 97, or Cutler 2007?
« Reply #41 on: January 26, 2008, 10:34:10 AM »
Hulkster - you clearly know your stuff and many of your arguments are compelling. However, what do you think about the theory (I won't call it 'fact' ) that since Haney it seems to be that the best back always wins no matter what.

For example..Haney clearly had the craziest back, despite having relatively small arms etc and often being matched from the front, he would turn around, spread his wings and it was game over.

Likewise with Dorian ..torn arms..or whatever..his back would see him through.

Same also with Ronnie..his gyno and gut would not matter when his alien back was flared.

I'm not saying I agree with it - I think it's stupid - but it really does seem to be these days that the biggest and best back wins the O. Even Cutler in 2006 had brought his back up to be on a par with Ronnie's slightly diminishing one. I won't mention 2007 as I don't think anyone thinks that Cutler was the real winner on physique alone.


hard to say. the judges seem to love a good back. It has been said that the back is more difficult to bring up because it is harder for you to actually see it - you need a mirror, as opposed to something like arms which you can see as you train.

seeing the actual muscle groups as you train leads to more motivation via visual stimuli.

the thing about Ronnie, Yates and Haney was that no one ever said Ronnie or Haney was owned from the front.

but with dorian, everyone says it, can see it and can show it.

that is a crucial distinction:
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Re: Which was the worst? Arnold 80, Yates 97, or Cutler 2007?
« Reply #42 on: January 26, 2008, 10:49:36 AM »
Yates 1994 and Yates 1997
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Re: Which was the worst? Arnold 80, Yates 97, or Cutler 2007?
« Reply #43 on: January 26, 2008, 10:52:16 AM »
Dorian Yates dwarfs Bev Francis.

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Re: Which was the worst? Arnold 80, Yates 97, or Cutler 2007?
« Reply #44 on: January 26, 2008, 11:03:29 AM »
the judges seem to love a good back. It has been said that the back is more difficult to bring up because it is harder for you to actually see it - you need a mirror, as opposed to something like arms which you can see as you train.

seeing the actual muscle groups as you train leads to more motivation via visual stimuli.



 That's an interesting point.
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Re: Which was the worst? Arnold 80, Yates 97, or Cutler 2007?
« Reply #45 on: January 26, 2008, 11:14:40 AM »
That's an interesting point.

I always make interesting points.. :-*



Yates 94 I still think takes the cake.

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Re: Which was the worst? Arnold 80, Yates 97, or Cutler 2007?
« Reply #46 on: January 26, 2008, 11:21:55 AM »
Dorian Yates dwarfs Bev Francis.

Bev's arms were the envy of dorian LOL

funny and sad at the same time.
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Re: Which was the worst? Arnold 80, Yates 97, or Cutler 2007?
« Reply #47 on: January 26, 2008, 11:22:46 AM »
Bev's arms were the envy of dorian LOL

funny and sad at the same time.

Dorian's are bigger, but it's comparable.

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Re: Which was the worst? Arnold 80, Yates 97, or Cutler 2007?
« Reply #48 on: January 26, 2008, 11:28:50 AM »
Dorian's are bigger, but it's comparable.

you know dorian was overrated when..lol

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Re: Which was the worst? Arnold 80, Yates 97, or Cutler 2007?
« Reply #49 on: January 26, 2008, 11:29:28 AM »
I always make interesting points.. :-*



Yates 94 I still think takes the cake.



Interesting like Dorian lost in 1993? and Lee Labrada has crappy abs and calves and Matt Mendenhall was blocky? lol more like you're prone to retarded points