Chris Cook (recent pic)

[michael arvilla]

   I got a question for people on this thread with some muscle on them considering they have been training hardcore as a bodybuilder for all these years. If next week you decided you really werent into lifting anymore and the passion was gone.....and you decided to become the best motorcross racer, 10k runner, or mountain hiker you could possibly become - what would happen to the physique you have today? Would you still eat and train hardcore as a bodybuilder even though your heart wasnt into it just so your fellow brethren at Getbig wouldnt make fun at how small you got? Or would train to become the best motorcross, 10k runner, or hiker and do your own thing anyway? I really dont understand these posts as what good is it to be a bulked up 280 with no wind at all (gassed out in 33 seconds) as a MMA fighter? If your 275 as a bodybuilder and you want to be a great sprint swimmer, whats going to do it? 275 or 190? Some of you guys explain it to me why its so utterly important for Chris Clark to stay big when he is pursuing a sport where conditioning and skill is what matters? Kevin Levrone sure as heck wasnt going to get an acting part to save his life (except as the atypical bouncer/henchman in the background role) if he didnt conform to the acting look of hollywood so I see exactly why he did what he did also.

I guess Im asking for your point of view because I truly dont get why you want these guys to walk around with 20 inch arms when thats the last thing on their mind right now.... 

This post is too reasonable and makes far too much sense for Get-Big................

[dearth]

why do you look like a fat truck driver who has never seen the inside of a gym?

   I got a question for people on this thread with some muscle on them considering they have been training hardcore as a bodybuilder for all these years. If next week you decided you really werent into lifting anymore and the passion was gone.....and you decided to become the best motorcross racer, 10k runner, or mountain hiker you could possibly become - what would happen to the physique you have today? Would you still eat and train hardcore as a bodybuilder even though your heart wasnt into it just so your fellow brethren at Getbig wouldnt make fun at how small you got? Or would train to become the best motorcross, 10k runner, or hiker and do your own thing anyway? I really dont understand these posts as what good is it to be a bulked up 280 with no wind at all (gassed out in 33 seconds) as a MMA fighter? If your 275 as a bodybuilder and you want to be a great sprint swimmer, whats going to do it? 275 or 190? Some of you guys explain it to me why its so utterly important for Chris Clark to stay big when he is pursuing a sport where conditioning and skill is what matters? Kevin Levrone sure as heck wasnt going to get an acting part to save his life (except as the atypical bouncer/henchman in the background role) if he didnt conform to the acting look of hollywood so I see exactly why he did what he did also.

I guess Im asking for your point of view because I truly dont get why you want these guys to walk around with 20 inch arms when thats the last thing on their mind right now.... 

[bigguns23]

This post is too reasonable and makes far too much sense for Get-Big................

No kidding.

[bigguns23]

why do you look like a fat truck driver who has never seen the inside of a gym?

You are kidding right. Dante wipes the floor with you son.

[G o a t b o y]

Cook is on the far right in the background:

[unskinny]

There are so many variables to consider other than simply stating that drugs are 100% responsible for creating a good bodybuilder.  Some previous posts touched on androgen response (which is why guy "X" will put on 20lbs of quality size and guy "Y" will put on half that, even if they take the exact same cycle).  Another important genetic-related quality is muscle recovery.  Again, X and Y could do the same workout with the same weights, but X stays sore for only 2 days while Y stays sore for 4 days.  A final genetic consideration is the individual's tolerance for gear.  Just like some people can smoke or drink for 50yrs and live to 90, some guys can handle heavy drug use, others cannot. 

Another issue which I am sure GH15 can confirm is that probably 95% of competitive BB'ers don't even lift weights while they're "off."  It doesn't start out this way, but once you see that there really are no gains to be made, the motivation to hit the weights just isn't there.  Personally, I don't agree with this philosophy, but I do understand it.  I always thought that is was best to hold on to as much size offseason, keep the range of motion intact, and it really is a part of my routine, so to abandon lifting even temporarily was never a consideration.

Finally, too many guys jump into gear way to soon, failing to establish any real kind of "base" muscle.  For them, they are indeed "ALL DRUGS" and once you pull the needle, they deflate like a balloon.  I know the haters don't want to believe it, but there are guys who lifted for a long time (5-10+ years), who actually KNEW what they were doing while in the gym (an issue for another thread...), ate enough, lifted heavy, and then juiced, and as long as they keep lifting, will never lose the base they built.  It's not that hard to walk around at 6', 240-250lbs with decent size and b/f ratio if you did all this for 20+ years, but how many do?  Hell, some of you aren't even that old!

Every single person who ever posted on this forum could take whatever Barry Bonds or Clemons took and would never be able to do the things that they have on the field.  In the same vein, taking the same exact cycle as Coleman won't allow you to win a single Olympia title, let alone turn pro.  Besides the fact that you'd be pissing blood after 3 months of what he's on, you'd still have to have the time, dedication, discipline, and most importantly, the diet.  Not just knowledge of the diet, but the will to stick with it.

[tom joad]

probably 95% of competitive BB'ers don't even lift weights while they're "off."  It doesn't start out this way, but once you see that there really are no gains to be made, the motivation to hit the weights just isn't there. 

that is sad.

[BroadStreetBruiser]

some ppl just want to make a living playing recess.....

HAHAHA

[gh15]

There are so many variables to consider other than simply stating that drugs are 100% responsible for creating a good bodybuilder.  Some previous posts touched on androgen response (which is why guy "X" will put on 20lbs of quality size and guy "Y" will put on half that, even if they take the exact same cycle).  Another important genetic-related quality is muscle recovery.  Again, X and Y could do the same workout with the same weights, but X stays sore for only 2 days while Y stays sore for 4 days.  A final genetic consideration is the individual's tolerance for gear.  Just like some people can smoke or drink for 50yrs and live to 90, some guys can handle heavy drug use, others cannot. 

Another issue which I am sure GH15 can confirm is that probably 95% of competitive BB'ers don't even lift weights while they're "off."  It doesn't start out this way, but once you see that there really are no gains to be made, the motivation to hit the weights just isn't there.  Personally, I don't agree with this philosophy, but I do understand it.  I always thought that is was best to hold on to as much size offseason, keep the range of motion intact, and it really is a part of my routine, so to abandon lifting even temporarily was never a consideration.

Finally, too many guys jump into gear way to soon, failing to establish any real kind of "base" muscle.  For them, they are indeed "ALL DRUGS" and once you pull the needle, they deflate like a balloon.  I know the haters don't want to believe it, but there are guys who lifted for a long time (5-10+ years), who actually KNEW what they were doing while in the gym (an issue for another thread...), ate enough, lifted heavy, and then juiced, and as long as they keep lifting, will never lose the base they built.  It's not that hard to walk around at 6', 240-250lbs with decent size and b/f ratio if you did all this for 20+ years, but how many do?  Hell, some of you aren't even that old!

Every single person who ever posted on this forum could take whatever Barry Bonds or Clemons took and would never be able to do the things that they have on the field.  In the same vein, taking the same exact cycle as Coleman won't allow you to win a single Olympia title, let alone turn pro.  Besides the fact that you'd be pissing blood after 3 months of what he's on, you'd still have to have the time, dedication, discipline, and most importantly, the diet.  Not just knowledge of the diet, but the will to stick with it.

most of us try to get in gym 3 times a week when off hormones compltely which rarely happens,,,but the reality is that we can keeop at it maybe 30-60 days then if we dont get back on we fade into 2 times a week and then once a week and then vacation for 2 weeks and then out of the gym for 2 months,,,its just how it is ,,no hormones = no training and gh15 is the only one that will tell you that and also only under gh15 identity

its also true that you wont become bonds if you took the same drugs he took or 10 times more because he actually plays baseball well and could hit the ball well to begin with then again baseball is not bodybuilding and in bodybuilding as long as you can tolerate the drugs needed ....as long as you can lift well and eat ...you can become national competitor,,most guys afraid to compeete for some reaosn or another while in reality they would wipe the floor with many competetive bodybuilders,,,why are they afraid to compete? some because of anxiety ,,,some because they feel like they got skinn calves and ashamed yet look at dex the best bodybuilder in the world and he had courage to walk on stage,,some of them just cant be disipline with the weeks of hard diet and drugs needed,,and some of them just feel not comfortable to wear underwear on stage,,,to each his own but im 100% tellin you that any one can become national competitor ,,,i have seen some HORRID GUYS ON STAGE AT 240LB WALKING AROUND AT 280 LB OF NOTHING BUT PALUMBO ,,,then i see guys like matt t that could wipe the floor with those 280 lb guys yet the 280 compete and the matt ts not and it has many reasons behind it that you can never know since its very individual and some just dont have the time needed because you need everything 24/7 in bodybuilding to make yruoself a good bodybuilder,,,

24/7 365  this is a must to become a good bodybuilder

[IFBBwannaB]

most of us try to get in gym 3 times a week when off hormones compltely which rarely happens,,,but the reality is that we can keeop at it maybe 30-60 days then if we dont get back on we fade into 2 times a week and then once a week and then vacation for 2 weeks and then out of the gym for 2 months,,,its just how it is ,,no hormones = no training and gh15 is the only one that will tell you that and also only under gh15 identity

Thats true, its hard to invest in natural training after you been on juice since you know how impractical natural bodybuilding is.

[Matt C]

Thats true, its hard to invest in natural training after you been on juice since you know how impractical natural bodybuilding is.

It's true.  I usually say: you don't BB for life - BB is your life!

[Van_Bilderass]

    I got a question for people on this thread with some muscle on them considering they have been training hardcore as a bodybuilder for all these years. If next week you decided you really werent into lifting anymore and the passion was gone.....and you decided to become the best motorcross racer, 10k runner, or mountain hiker you could possibly become - what would happen to the physique you have today? Would you still eat and train hardcore as a bodybuilder even though your heart wasnt into it just so your fellow brethren at Getbig wouldnt make fun at how small you got? Or would train to become the best motorcross, 10k runner, or hiker and do your own thing anyway? 

Are we talking about juicers or naturals? If a natural guy like Chris Mason started doing MMA there wouldn't be any dramatic muscle loss unless he purposely starved himself to get to a lower weight class. Only juicers have these dramatic muscle fluctuations.

I agree with your point though, who cares if Chris Cook lost muscle. It's not important to him anymore.

[SquatAss]

Are we talking about juicers or naturals? If a natural guy like Chris Mason started doing MMA there wouldn't be any dramatic muscle loss unless he purposely starved himself to get to a lower weight class. Only juicers have these dramatic muscle fluctuations.

I agree with your point though, who cares if Chris Cook lost muscle. It's not important to him anymore.

Off course he's talking about juicers. You're just stating the very obvious.

[Van_Bilderass]

Off course he's talking about juicers. You're just stating the very obvious.

Yes but here's a thread talking about how muscle juicers lose when they get off (duh!) and guys arguing if it had much to do with the juice or if it's the training and lifestyle change that's to blame. The lifestyle change doesn't help but a natural can take a couple of months off from the gym and just eat according to appetite and not much is lost. Some other type of activity like MMA training would help maintaining a natural physique IMO, compared to just sitting on your ass. If Cook took a couple of months off from doing any physical activity and dropped any HRT he may be on (I'm sure he's on a little something) you'd see an even smaller Cook.

[DK II]

"Muscle has absolutely no biological need to the body" - do you know how factually incorrect that statement is?
we are talking about something a basic middle school science student ought to know, and you are clearly out of your league.


Q - how do people move their limbs?
A - muscles

hope this helps.

btw - your posts reinforce the stereotype that juiceheads are idiots.

haha, i was thinking the same!

Ever thought about your heart is a muscle too??

[tbrunson]

I wrote this on bb.com about a year ago. I think it holds as true today as then, if not more so. The most frustrating part of genetics is when you don't have good ones...LOL.
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It's easy to get caught up in genetics = ability to gain mass or genetics = muscle shape but when I think about genetics in terms of bodybuilding, there's so much more to it than size and shape.

Muscle origins and insertions - determine to a large extent how the muscles look and how strong a person will be.

Joint strength/stability - crappy joints will make any genetic gifts you were born with worthless.

Digestive system - relates directly to ability to get both big and shredded. I think some are genetically able to eat less/worse and not suffer for it.

Receptors - if your parents gave you a pitiful supply of receptor sites, gear just won't be effective. Thus the stories of folks who profess to taking a pittance compared to others and getting as good or better results.

Side effect tolerance - this relates to how your body handles the negative and positive effects of the various chemicals used by bodybuilders. Some people just don't get the same negative effects that others do. I think this aspect is very under-rated.

Skeletal structure - joint size, clavicle width, ribcage depth...all have a direct impact on how you'll look, how strong you'll be and how tolerant your body will be of the abuse it'll take.

Muscle bellies - this equals shape and size of the muscles. When I think of this Flex comes to mind as having the full bellies and "pretty" muscles. This vs someone like Branch Warren who just doesn't look the same in spite of being as big and lean.

So to me, it's the combination of the above that will allow someone to take their physique to the mid-level amateur and above level. Determination and committment will get just about anyone a decent body but IMO, the above gifts/curses will be the difference between the top amateurs and pros and the rest of us.

TimB.

[DK II]

Meltdown

[dearth]

have you seen a picture of this michelin man guru ?

You are kidding right. Dante wipes the floor with you son.

[arce377]

congrats chris...felicia is off the hook

http://www.feliciaoh.com/feliciaoh.com/main.html

[G o a t b o y]

,,,then i see guys like matt t that could wipe the floor with those 280 lb guys yet the 280 compete and the matt ts not and it has many reasons behind it that you can never know ,,,

gh15 = Will Harris

[bigguns23]

have you seen a picture of this michelin man guru ?

Michelin man? Hardly.

[G o a t b o y]

Michelin man? Hardly.

Dante is an obese fatass.  It's like Jabba the Hut suddenly decided to call his blubber "muscle" and declared himself a "guru".

[Epic_Monster]

Cook is on the far right in the background:

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[Earl1972]

"Muscle has absolutely no biological need to the body" - do you know how factually incorrect that statement is?
we are talking about something a basic middle school science student ought to know, and you are clearly out of your league.


Q - how do people move their limbs?
A - muscles

hope this helps.

btw - your posts reinforce the stereotype that juiceheads are idiots.

muscles built through years in the gym have no biological need hence the reason you lose them when you don't use them

E

[bigslick]

Dante is an obese fatass.  It's like Jabba the Hut suddenly decided to call his blubber "muscle" and declared himself a "guru".

lol!

people often mistake fat for muscle. They are scale watchers who see the scale rising and think they are getting bigger.  No, they are getting fatter! its always a fat guy that gets all bent when someone talks about staying in shape off season. Pros in particular want to be recognized as being pros and being bodybuilders but they walk around with their asses 3 feet wide and look like fat guys no one gives them a dime of respect