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Re: Obama a "Devout Christian"?
« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2008, 02:33:41 PM »
Good point.  You're a bigger man than me (literally and figuratively).  I shouldn't do it, but it's too much fun sometimes.  :)  But I should quit too . . . .
no worries, bro.  i'll pm you later to catch up.

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Re: Obama a "Devout Christian"?
« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2008, 02:34:14 PM »
are you saying you're not compassionate or don't have respect for other people? regardless of the belief?

I don't think you'll find any examples of me criticizing anyone for having any religious belief.

It's the contradiction of belief vs. action I have a problem and even then I usually just ignore it most of the time.

I think everyone is entitled to their own belief (including no belief) with equal respect provided it does not infringe on another from having the same freedom.

  

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Re: Obama a "Devout Christian"?
« Reply #27 on: March 02, 2008, 02:34:32 PM »
aaaaaaaahhhhh, there it is...the favored verse of the non-believer and viperous critic of anything that is in disagreement with his lifestyle.   

Hey, i thought you were leaving.

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Re: Obama a "Devout Christian"?
« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2008, 02:36:14 PM »
Hey Bum,

Have you and your personal nutsucker Colossus ever actually read the bible?

How about some of those words directly from the mouth or your personal saviour.

"Judge not lest ye be judged"

How is it again that you (as a devout Christian) feel it's OK to judge Obama's faith.

Seriously, I'm not a christian so it's stuff like this where you act in direct contradiction to your stated beliefs that always confuses me.
ok, bro.  you got me.  I have to come back and ask you if you've read the Psalms or anything about King David, the man after God's own heart?  Have you forgotten the things that he did? 

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Re: Obama a "Devout Christian"?
« Reply #29 on: March 02, 2008, 02:36:25 PM »
"I thought . . . ."  LOL.  . . . . I'm not sure I've read a single post from you in which any thought was involved.  But that's okay.  Every board needs a nincompoop like you.    :-*

Are you saying I've succeeded in emulating you?












Actually, no, your posts on abortion and "blackness" indicate you do think.... like a devious child.

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Re: Obama a "Devout Christian"?
« Reply #30 on: March 02, 2008, 02:36:39 PM »
aaaaaaaahhhhh, there it is...the favored verse of the non-believer and viperous critic of anything that is in disagreement with his lifestyle.   

again, PAY ATTENTION

I am NOT  CHRISTIAN

I need you two super christians to explain this stuff to me.

How is it YOUR saviour tells you not to judge others and yet here you are judging another Christian about his beliefs.  


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Re: Obama a "Devout Christian"?
« Reply #31 on: March 02, 2008, 02:38:20 PM »
ok, bro.  you got me.  I have to come back and ask you if you've read the Psalms or anything about King David, the man after God's own heart?  Have you forgotten the things that he did? 

 ::)

No need to go that far back.  Just say you're like Jesus, and we're money-changers. 













Christians.... will say anything to justify their blood-thirsty tendencies.  :-\

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Re: Obama a "Devout Christian"?
« Reply #32 on: March 02, 2008, 02:39:46 PM »
ok, bro.  you got me.  I have to come back and ask you if you've read the Psalms or anything about King David, the man after God's own heart?  Have you forgotten the things that he did? 

What's that got to do with the Sermon on the Mount (probably the best stuff in the bible)

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« Reply #33 on: March 02, 2008, 02:40:19 PM »
again, PAY ATTENTION

I am NOT  CHRISTIAN

I need you two super christians to explain this stuff to me.

How is it YOUR saviour tells you not to judge others and yet here you are judging another Christian about his beliefs. 


take some time and read about the likes of Moses, Abraham, Jacob, Solomon (highly recommended for you, bro), Sampson....just take your pick.  you'll find some commonality in all of these great men of the Bible. 

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Re: Obama a "Devout Christian"?
« Reply #34 on: March 02, 2008, 02:41:39 PM »
What's that got to do with the Sermon on the Mount (probably the best stuff in the bible)
indeed it is.  but ya gotta read the rest of scripture to get a better understanding

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Re: Obama a "Devout Christian"?
« Reply #35 on: March 02, 2008, 02:42:39 PM »
take some time and read about the likes of Moses, Abraham, Jacob, Solomon (highly recommended for you, bro), Sampson....just take your pick.  you'll find some commonality in all of these great men of the Bible. 

again - stop avoiding the question and explain to me how you can judge Obama's faith when the words that are supposedley from the mouth of YOUR PERSONAL SAVIOUR tell you not to judge other.

actually, Bum was the one who started this so he should really be able to explain his position

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Re: Obama a "Devout Christian"?
« Reply #36 on: March 02, 2008, 02:44:12 PM »
actually, Bum was the one who started this so he should really be able to explain his position

Hahaha, you think BB's going to own up to that position.... of course he's going to deny it.  It's his SOP. 

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Re: Obama a "Devout Christian"?
« Reply #37 on: March 02, 2008, 02:44:19 PM »
indeed it is.  but ya gotta read the rest of scripture to get a better understanding

really?

The words right from the LIVING GOD need some additional context in order to be understood?

It's pretty clear - DON'T JUDGE OTHERS

he made it easy so guys like you a Bum couldn't fuck it up

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Re: Obama a "Devout Christian"?
« Reply #38 on: March 02, 2008, 02:46:50 PM »
again - stop avoiding the question and explain to me how you can judge Obama's faith when the words that are supposedley from the mouth of YOUR PERSONAL SAVIOUR tell you not to judge other.

actually, Bum was the one who started this so he should really be able to explain his position
no one's avoiding you, SM.   trying to answer everything you ask.

true.  I'm sure if you were actually willing to hear Beach Bum out, you might see his point.  I can't like though, bro.  I doubt its possible for you to do this, because the bitterness within.

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Re: Obama a "Devout Christian"?
« Reply #39 on: March 02, 2008, 02:48:56 PM »
I doubt its possible for you to do this, because the bitterness within.

Yes, brother, like Pharaoh and so many others, his heart has been hardened. Makes me sad.  :'(

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Re: Obama a "Devout Christian"?
« Reply #40 on: March 02, 2008, 02:51:35 PM »
I find it comical how people who claim not to be Christian will quote the Bible chapter and verse.  I guess that's a good thing, because it means they expose themselves to the Word.  Maybe there is hope.   :)   

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Re: Obama a "Devout Christian"?
« Reply #41 on: March 02, 2008, 02:52:23 PM »
no one's avoiding you, SM.   trying to answer everything you ask.

true.  I'm sure if you were actually willing to hear Beach Bum out, you might see his point.  I can't like though, bro.  I doubt its possible for you to do this, because the bitterness within.

again - neither of you have anwered the ONE question that I've asked.

Your saviour has told you not to judge others yet here you are judging, OF ALL THINGS, the faith of another one of your own.

Why would you feel the need to "interpret" what is a pretty clear message.    

Just explain it to me and maybe I'll have a better understanding of your awesome and beautiful religion

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Re: Obama a "Devout Christian"?
« Reply #42 on: March 02, 2008, 02:54:22 PM »
really?

The words right from the LIVING GOD need some additional context in order to be understood?

It's pretty clear - DON'T JUDGE OTHERS

he made it easy so guys like you a Bum couldn't fuck it up
you misunderstand.....again and again. 

YOU'RE actually the one that needs to read elsewhere to get a better understanding that what you hear amongst your fellow non-believers.  Absolutely NOTHING wrong with scriptures.  It's what you take from it.  Would you admit that you're only taking the same portion that most non-believers use (typical symptom of being hurt....think God doesn't love you)?

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Re: Obama a "Devout Christian"?
« Reply #43 on: March 02, 2008, 02:55:45 PM »
you misunderstand.....again and again. 

YOU'RE actually the one that needs to read elsewhere to get a better understanding that what you hear amongst your fellow non-believers.  Absolutely NOTHING wrong with scriptures.  It's what you take from it.  Would you admit that you're only taking the same portion that most non-believers use (typical symptom of being hurt....think God doesn't love you)?

still can't answer the questions huh?


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Re: Obama a "Devout Christian"?
« Reply #44 on: March 02, 2008, 02:56:51 PM »
He calls himself a "devout Christian"?


Christians for Social Justice seeks to change public opinion on the most fundamental social justice issue of our day – abortion.

We applaud the entrance of an African American into the race for Presidency.  Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. once said that we should judge someone “not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."  We believe it is long past time for America to elect an African American President.


Having said that, it is not Obama’s race or ethnicity with which we have serious concerns.

Take a look at a brief review of his record on key issues other than abortion:







In 1999, Obama voted against a bill barring early release for (criminal) sex offenders.
Obama voted against filtering pornography on school and library computers.
Obama voted for sex education for kindergarten children through the 5th grade.
In 2001, Obama voted “present” on a bill to keep pornographic book and video stores and strip clubs from setting up within 1,000 feet of schools and churches.
He unsuccessfully sponsored limit of one handgun purchase per month. (2000)
Voted against making gang members eligible for the death penalty if they kill someone to help their gang. (2001)
For more on Obama's record go to Obama's record offers ammunition for critics


Despite his abysmal record on these other issues we need to ask the question:  Is there any other issue as foundational as the right to life?”


CSFJ grants that there are other legitimate issues that need to be addressed.  As Americans, we share in our concern for these other issues, but not at the expense of the most fundamental value of all - life.


CFSJ is concerned about what an Obama presidency would mean to the United States, especially our weakest members - pre born children.

Obama voted against outlawing Partial Birth Abortion(In 1997, Obama voted “present” an Illinois ban)
Obama voted against the Born Alive Infants Protection Act. (In 2002, Obama voted against the Induced Infant Liability Act, and the Born Alive Infant Protection Act.)
Obama voted in support of homosexual unions.  (06/07/2006, Same Sex Marriage Resolution)

Americans need to understand the importance of protecting the right to life as a logical precursor to the extension of all other rights and privileges.  The fundamental right to life must be any civilized nation's top priority.  If we fail to secure the right to life for the people of the United States none of the other rights matter.

As an African America, Sen. Obama is very familiar with the struggle for human rights.  Of all the candidates for president He should be defending the pre-born not aiding in thier destruction.  Abortion in the African American community is at an epidemic rate accounting for over 36% of all abortions committed.  Regardless, Obama has always been an outspoken abortion supporter.


Pr. 28:17 says, “A man who is laden with the guilt of human blood will be a fugitive until death; let no one support him.”

Obama's support for abortion makes him unfit to be president of the United States.

We believe that any candidate who supports the slaughter of pre-born babies is unfit for public office.  A candidate cannot be "right" enough on other issues to make up for being "wrong" on the unalienable right to life.


As our Declaration of Independence states:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed ...

Sen. Barack Hussein Obama is viciously pro-abortion.  He denies the most basic human right given to us by our creator.  In fact, he even goes beyond the pro-abortion position of some fellow Democrats by supporting of the brutal act of partial birth abortion.




Partial Birth Abortion

Generations yet born will judge America on the basis of how we treat the most vulnerable.  Will America hold to her founding commitment to “secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity?” or will we elect a man who denies the right to life to the powerless and defenseless?


For the sake of our nation and our posterity – Sen. Barack Hussein Obama must not become President of the United States.





However, it is Obama’s position on abortion that mainly concerns us.  Sen. Obama supports abortion on demand. Christians for Social Justice, and ObamaNation.com is not affiliated, endorsed, authorized, or funded by any candidate or candidate's campaign committee



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Re: Obama a "Devout Christian"?
« Reply #45 on: March 02, 2008, 02:57:15 PM »
Bum/Colussus,

Your God has told you not to judge others yet here you are (one of you) judging the faith of another Christian.

WHY?

Simple fucking question

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« Reply #46 on: March 02, 2008, 02:59:40 PM »
Bum/Colussus,

Your God has told you not to judge others yet here you are (one of you) judging the faith of another Christian.

WHY?

Simple fucking question

Maybe because his record speaks for itself?

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Re: Obama a "Devout Christian"?
« Reply #47 on: March 02, 2008, 03:02:59 PM »
Maybe because his record speaks for itself?

So judge not let ye be judged.....except if want to judge then go ahead and judge?

Has it ever occured to you that it's actually really fucking difficult to be a Christian because you have to put your personal beliefs aside and maybe do things that you don't really like.

For instance - not judging others


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Re: Obama a "Devout Christian"?
« Reply #48 on: March 02, 2008, 03:03:16 PM »
Bum/Colussus,

Your God has told you not to judge others yet here you are (one of you) judging the faith of another Christian.

WHY?

Simple fucking question

lol . . . A little frustrated are we?  You're asking why God said judge not, so you won't be judged?  Why don't you ask God yourself.  Have you ever prayed?

Sounds like you're saying don't ever question a person's conduct or their faith.  Where exactly does the Bible say this?    

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Re: Obama a "Devout Christian"?
« Reply #49 on: March 02, 2008, 03:06:59 PM »
So judge not let ye be judged.....except if want to judge then go ahead and judge?

Has it ever occured to you that it's actually really fucking difficult to be a Christian because you have to put your personal beliefs aside and maybe do things that you don't really like.

For instance - not judging others



Look at the list I just posted.....it's goes against Christianity and scripture in general.