Obama

[Decker]

right, because he tells people what they want to hear and his speechwriters have used rhetoric to get into people's heads. his speeches are heavy on atmosphere and light on substance. if he gets into office, he will do what every other lib president does - he will do what he thinks is best for the country, regardless of whether it really is best, based on polls and nothing else and his extreme liberal views will come to light.

You've just described every single political speech given on the national stage.

Some presidents deliver on the rhetoric and some do not.

As long as there's been polling, there has been an occupant in the Whitehouse using that polling data.  There are no exceptions to that statement.

In my opinion, Obama is no ultra-liberal.  He's a centrist.  His health plan works with existing privatized insurance companies (which I think is a big mistake).

Let's look at the platform:  http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
compare with McCain http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/

Now how exactly is Obama light on the substance?

He can't be any worse than Bush has been or McCain could be.

[JOHN MATRIX]

obama is the most down to earth, genuine candidate left, hes the only one who was a regular person not just another born-rich political aristocrat. his priorites are the most beneficial for the american people and he has the best most reasonable judegement. he has never changed his campaign or persona, he has never resorted to underhanded attacks on hillary(unlike that bitch), and would be the best to represent us on the world stage.

mccain's priorities absolutely do not represent the best interest of american people, would continue/expand war, represents a more-of-the-same figure to the world. would put the money in pointless foreign witch hunts instead of into america. to the world he would be Bush part 2.

hillary is clearly a fake, annoying person who shows her true, cocky bitch colors when she is down, frequently resorts to dirty underhanded tactics, smear campaigns, has not made the wisest decisions in many areas, represents old,  politics-as-usual and is HATED (for good reason) by millions of americans, and would lose to Mccain anyway.

[War-Horse]

obama is the most down to earth, genuine candidate left, hes the only one who was a regular person not just another born-rich political aristocrat. his priorites are the most beneficial for the american people and he has the best most reasonable judegement. he has never changed his campaign or persona, he has never resorted to underhanded attacks on hillary(unlike that bitch), and would be the best to represent us on the world stage.

mccain's priorities absolutely do not represent the best interest of american people, would continue/expand war, represents a more-of-the-same figure to the world. would put the money in pointless foreign witch hunts instead of into america. to the world he would be Bush part 2.

hillary is clearly a fake, annoying person who shows her true, cocky bitch colors when she is down, frequently resorts to dirty underhanded tactics, smear campaigns, has not made the wisest decisions in many areas, represents old,  politics-as-usual and is HATED (for good reason) by millions of americans, and would lose to Mccain anyway.

So let me get this straight.   You think Hillary is a sexy bitch and youre hoping she'll mail you her panties on Victory night.




























J/K    Noticing your hate for her on different threads is all.

[The Coach]

You've just described every single political speech given on the national stage.

Some presidents deliver on the rhetoric and some do not.

As long as there's been polling, there has been an occupant in the Whitehouse using that polling data.  There are no exceptions to that statement.

In my opinion, Obama is no ultra-liberal.  He's a centrist.  His health plan works with existing privatized insurance companies (which I think is a big mistake).

Let's look at the platform:  http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
compare with McCain http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/

Now how exactly is Obama light on the substance?

He can't be any worse than Bush has been or McCain could be.

Don't need to look, I'm on both sites (especially McCain's) daily.

[tonymctones]

It's not the president who runs the show it congress... thats where we need a change  some congressmen have been in office for 30 years... You cant get a president that can change the country by himself, we need a president that can unite us and inspire change in the people and government. in my opinion Obama is the guy that can do that.

I agree but you have to be careful as to what the change is moving towards, a socialist society is not the direction that I would like to move. I would prefer hilary to obama, and as far as the underhanded tatics and the smear campaign dont think for a second that obama wouldnt do the same thing if he was behind. They are all politicians first and foremost and winning is everything.

[twigs87]

I agree but you have to be careful as to what the change is moving towards, a socialist society is not the direction that I would like to move. I would prefer hilary to obama, and as far as the underhanded tatics and the smear campaign dont think for a second that obama wouldnt do the same thing if he was behind. They are all politicians first and foremost and winning is everything.

dead on.

[Straw Man]

Obama is not a socialist but even if he were at this point I'm so disgusted with the current state of this country that I'd take a bit of socialism in place of Bush/McCain creeping fascism.

[Tre]

Shoot - Both the Democrats and Republicans running this country are extreme liberals.

Obama isn't any more liberal (since we've decided that's a dirty word) than the current President. 

I think it's funny - and sad - that most Americans (conservative or not) can't see that. 

[Decker]

Shoot - Both the Democrats and Republicans running this country are extreme liberals.

Obama isn't any more liberal (since we've decided that's a dirty word) than the current President. 

I think it's funny - and sad - that most Americans (conservative or not) can't see that. 

I don't think they are extreme liberals.  Bush is privatizing as much governmental functions as he can (to our detriment).

What does "liberal" mean to you? 

To me the word denotes the 'correct' balance between national cooperation and competition of We The People in industry and government.  Liberals emphasize cooperation while Conservatives emphasize competition.

[Tre]

What does "liberal" mean to you? 

Bigger government, all the time. 

Liberals emphasize cooperation while Conservatives emphasize competition.

Those are the core philosophies, but not what is being practiced.

The so-called 'conservatives' in power use the system to give themselves and their friends a competitive advantage in business at our expense.

The so-called 'liberals' in power use the system to give themselves and their friends a competitive advantage in business at our expense. 

The only real difference is in the rhetoric, because each has the goal of keeping themselves in power and securing their families' financial futures. 

America needs a serious wake-up call, but believe me, the people in power don't want us to know that.

[The Coach]

What does "liberal" mean to you? 

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Big on Government dependancy, weak on defence, no commonsense what so ever, lies to win elections (congress).

[Decker]

Bigger government, all the time. 

Those are the core philosophies, but not what is being practiced.

The so-called 'conservatives' in power use the system to give themselves and their friends a competitive advantage in business at our expense.

The so-called 'liberals' in power use the system to give themselves and their friends a competitive advantage in business at our expense. 

The only real difference is in the rhetoric, because each has the goal of keeping themselves in power and securing their families' financial futures. 

America needs a serious wake-up call, but believe me, the people in power don't want us to know that.

Perhaps the most liberal of all presidents FDR was considered a traitor to his class for striking up the New Deal.

Sometimes a person comes along that makes a difference.  

Government in and of itself is not an evil to me.  Accountability of those in gov. service makes it so.  Whenever I see a politician running on 'getting the gov. of your backs', I see an open invitation to corruption.  

Can government operations be improved?  Sure and they have been at times.  Can gov. be roped in as far as its sheer size is concerned?  Yeah, and it should be.

I agree with you that many politicians use their service to the country as nothing but an opportunity to rape national resources and the treasury.  I despise those politicians.

[Decker]

Big on Government dependancy, weak on defence, no commonsense what so ever, lies to win elections (congress).

I take it you oppose the social safety net of our current government?

Why do you consider liberals weak on defense?  9 months into a republican's presidency, the US homeland was attacked--9/11.  That's a brute fact.

Liberals have no common sense?  What is 'common sense'?  I have to ask b/c I'm a liberal.

Liberals lie to win elections?  And conservatives are beacons of truth and honesty?  I don't think so Coach.

[The Coach]

Why do you consider liberals weak on defense?  9 months into a republican's presidency, the US homeland was attacked--9/11.  That's a brute fact.

Do you want me to start with Clinton letting BinLaden go when we had him on at least 10 different occasions, The USS Cole, all of the US embassies, the WTC in 93', etc,etc with virtually no retaliation??

If Clinton would have got of killed Bin Laden from the start, I seriously doubt alot of this would have happend!

Don't give this "9 months into his Presidency" crap......Clinton was in for 8 years, Bush was the only one who had the balls to go after them. Let me ask you, what was you reaction the day of 9/11 and after you found out who was behind it??

[OzmO]

Do you want me to start with Clinton letting BinLaden go when we had him on at least 10 different occasions, The USS Cole, all of the US embassies, the WTC in 93', etc,etc with virtually no retaliation??

If Clinton would have got of killed Bin Laden from the start, I seriously doubt alot of this would have happend!

That's easy to say.   Hindsight is 20/20.  So should we apply that to everything and blame accordingly? 

You make the above statement as if Clinton knew he was going to mastermind 9/11 years before and decided to "let him go."

Should we have invaded Afghanistan when he was there in 1996 to get this one man?  Should just invade Iran now to that nut job president becuase of what he might do? 

And you really think the danger would not have been here if OBL wasn't around?   that's a bit naive isn't it?

[240 is Back]

Don't give this "9 months into his Presidency" crap......Clinton was in for 8 years, Bush was the only one who had the balls to go after them. Let me ask you, what was you reaction the day of 9/11 and after you found out who was behind it??

Fuck, Joe.

Bush was warned 6 weeks before 911.

Fuck, man.

One day when everyone around you is aware of this, you will no longer be able to keep your head in the sand.

They knew.  And they let it happen.  Tosses your defnse argument out the window.

[The Coach]

That's easy to say.   Hindsight is 20/20.  So should we apply that to everything and blame accordingly? 

You make the above statement as if Clinton knew he was going to mastermind 9/11 years before and decided to "let him go."

He should have caught a clue after we were hit so many times with his name all over it.

[OzmO]

He should have caught a clue after we were hit so many times with his name all over it.

Well yeah, like i said, that's easy to say now.   Think about it.  9/11 when it happened was surreal, unbelievable.   Up to that point most terrorist acts where minuscule in comparison. 

[Decker]

Do you want me to start with Clinton letting BinLaden go when we had him on at least 10 different occasions, The USS Cole, all of the US embassies, the WTC in 93', etc,etc with virtually no retaliation??

If Clinton would have got of killed Bin Laden from the start, I seriously doubt alot of this would have happend!

Don't give this "9 months into his Presidency" crap......Clinton was in for 8 years, Bush was the only one who had the balls to go after them. Let me ask you, what was you reaction the day of 9/11 and after you found out who was behind it??

It must be my manifest lack of common sense but I would swear you are spouting long-debunked stories about Clinton and OBL.

Clinton never had OBL in custody and he authorized the man's assassination.  It really is that simple.

As I've said, Clinton authorized the assassination of OBL.  Bush vowed to get OBL "dead or alive" but when he had him cornered in Tora Bora, Bush's military failed to get him.  In fact, here are the words of your great leader:

I don’t know where Bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority.
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

I guess President Bush wants OBL alive, don't you?  Or is this another failing from my lack of common sense?

Speaking of "no common sense", you said "Bush had the balls to go after" OBL, right?  Then why the hell did he attack Iraq if OBL was in Pakistan?

My reaction on 9/11 was, "I wonder who did this attack?"  After I learned that it was Al Qaeda, I thought, "we better bring these people to justice!"

I wish President Bush would have thought more like me.

[OzmO]

So, by joe's own words, he should be a liberal now. 

Clinton, ordered the killing of OBL before 9/11 and Bush doesn't really care about OBL after 9/11.


Everyone welcome Coach as the newest Lib on Get big!

 

[Colossus_500]

I watched it all and Hilary's too

also watched McCain's speech

I just liked Obama best

I watched them all too.  Thought Huckabee's bow-out speech was the best.  I thought Mrs. Clinton's victory speech was better than Obama's.  These next 7 weeks leading up to PA will be interesting.

[Straw Man]

http://www.thedailyshow.com/

Check out Huckabee's Long Good-Bye - should be first video on main page

[Colossus_500]

http://www.thedailyshow.com/

Check out Huckabee's Long Good-Bye - should be first video on main page

I'll check it when I get home tonight.  I'm sure the daily show had fun with it.  lol