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Why are there so many european students attending American universities?

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We are the only Western country where teaching evolution is controversial.

As is the flag salute. As is proper English. As is standardized testing....

But evolution is taught these days; creationism is controversial. In fact, you'll get fired for it. We don't even use BC or AD anymore.

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haha, I get Dr. Mercola's newsletter,  was actually going to post this today but thought better of it.  I'm glad someone did though.  I am both an American and Swedish citizen and I can tell you for sure that the US is much less than what it's average citizen thinks it is.  I generally agree with the article.  If you scroll down and read the responses to the article, those are the best.

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remember that idiot host of The View who honestly answered the earth was indeed flat?

HAHAHAHA, yeah I dooo

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Why are there so many european students attending American universities?

I am not talking about university level education but rather K-12.

I would agree with you, having studied in both the American university system and the European, the American is superior....and it has to be, to make up for the lack of knowledge acquired during K-12. Why do you think so many unis in the USA have general education requirements?
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I am not talking about university level education but rather K-12.

I would agree with you, having studied in both the American university system and the European, the American is superior....and it has to be, to make up for the lack of knowledge acquired during K-12. Why do you think so many unis in the USA have general education requirements?

Good point, i never thought of that

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I am not talking about university level education but rather K-12.

I would agree with you, having studied in both the American university system and the European, the American is superior....and it has to be, to make up for the lack of knowledge acquired during K-12. Why do you think so many unis in the USA have general education requirements?

True and that's the paradox. But European students only apply to the best American universities and they don't have too many problems at first. They're eventually surprised of how competitive it gets.  

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True and that's the paradox. But European students only apply to the best American universities and they don't have too many problems at first. They're eventually surprised of how competitive it gets.  

Yeah...they go for top brass.
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Relevancy to topic? ???




Maybe his head is shiney like the sun ???

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Am I the only one in a state of shock?

I don't know how they get these statistics. I could probably think of maybe 3-4 people I know who are dumb enough to think that, out of thousands of people I've known. There must be a congregation of mental midgets skewing the numbers somewhere. I think they might call it Louisiana.

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Thats nothing, I thought the Earth was flat ??? ??? ??? ;D

You are not alone.


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I don't know how they get these statistics. I could probably think of maybe 3-4 people I know who are dumb enough to think that, out of thousands of people I've known. There must be a congregation of mental midgets skewing the numbers somewhere. I think they might call it Louisiana.

I am John Galt. ;D
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I am not talking about university level education but rather K-12.

I would agree with you, having studied in both the American university system and the European, the American is superior....and it has to be, to make up for the lack of knowledge acquired during K-12. Why do you think so many unis in the USA have general education requirements?

Oh oh!  Pick me me!

"In order to equalize... and standardize... the unpredictable level of freshman knowledge... and preparedness..., thereby ensuring that no student is left behind.  This is what makes Our university system... superior.  Thank you.  ;D ;D ;D"


Non-pagent answer:  Lowest common denominator educational standards ensure that even Zeke the Site Toilet Cleaner can hand over all his money and brag that his son Bevin "Is the first o' th' Dunkis's's ta git ta collage 'n we're all real proud'm" ...thereby ensuring that no student receives a better education than young Bevin... which would be UnAmerican!!!




As is the flag salute. As is proper English. As is standardized testing....

But evolution is taught these days; creationism is controversial. In fact, you'll get fired for it. We don't even use BC or AD anymore.

I'm pretty sure you're a Jesus Freak, but you should post here more often man.  If nothing else, you're a clever mofo.

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Am I the only one in a state of shock?

One in the five americans read this forum. Do you math  ;D

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I disagree here.

You're telling me the average Iraqi or Somali would score as well as an American?  no way.

No no no. Hi is telling you that they could score much better...But of course you have to give some equation here. What I mean is that you should ask those questions only from the people who has a similar "degree" of education. If you narrow your sampling only to the people who has complete their studies, iranians and africans will score better than average american, who has similar education. Sad, but true. Why?

In usa, there isn't any respect about education. In usa, there is millions of young people, who know as a fact that they doesn't gain anything by using years of their life to studies, so they have no interest about it at all. That has been going on for decades, so the average adults of the present day has a poor education. Very simple fact, and very american state of being...

While I have been "house quest" of your military, I had an opportunity to follow quite big group of your soldiers in their daily routines, and if I be really honest, that was scary. If I have to choose who I take to fight with me, I choose bunch of drunken russians in any day, because your youngsters are just too much to bear...

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Warning: The Next Generation Might Just Be
The Biggest Pile of Idiots in U.S. History!
American Kids, Dumber than Dirt
by Mark Morford
SF Gate Columnist


I have this ongoing discussion with a longtime reader who also just so happens to be a longtime Oakland high school teacher, a wonderful guy who's seen generations of teens come and generations go and who has a delightful poetic sensibility and quirky outlook on his life and his family and his beloved teaching career.


And he often writes to me in response to something I might have written about the youth of today, anything where I comment on the various nefarious factors shaping their minds and their perspectives and whether or not, say, EMFs and junk food and cell phones are melting their brains and what can be done and just how bad it might all be.



His response: It is not bad at all. It's absolutely horrifying.



My friend often summarizes for me what he sees, firsthand, every day and every month, year in and year out, in his classroom. He speaks not merely of the sad decline in overall intellectual acumen among students over the years, not merely of the astonishing spread of lazy slackerhood, or the fact that cell phones and iPods and excess TV exposure are, absolutely and without reservation, short-circuiting the minds of the upcoming generations. Of this, he says, there is zero doubt.



Nor does he speak merely of the notion that kids these days are overprotected and wussified and don't spend enough time outdoors and don't get any real exercise and therefore can't, say, identify basic plants, or handle a tool, or build, well, anything at all. Again, these things are a given. Widely reported, tragically ignored, nothing new.



No, my friend takes it all a full step — or rather, leap — further. It is not merely a sad slide. It is not just a general dumbing down. It is far uglier than that.



We are, as far as urban public education is concerned, essentially at rock bottom. We are now at a point where we are essentially churning out ignorant teens who are becoming ignorant adults and society as a whole will pay dearly, very soon, and if you think the hordes of easily terrified, mindless fundamentalist evangelical Christian lemmings have been bad for the soul of this country, just wait.



It's gotten so bad that, as my friend nears retirement, he says he is very seriously considering moving out of the country so as to escape what he sees will be the surefire collapse of functioning American society in the next handful of years due to the absolutely irrefutable destruction, the shocking — and nearly hopeless — dumb-ification of the American brain. It is just that bad.



Now, you may think he's merely a curmudgeon, a tired old teacher who stopped caring long ago. Not true. Teaching is his life. He says he loves his students, loves education and learning and watching young minds awaken. Problem is, he is seeing much less of it. It's a bit like the melting of the polar ice caps. Sure, there's been alarmist data about it for years, but until you see it for yourself, the deep visceral dread doesn't really hit home.



He cites studies, reports, hard data, from the appalling effects of television on child brain development (any TV exposure before 6 years old and your kid's basic cognitive wiring and spatial perceptions are pretty much scrambled for life), to the fact that, because of all the insidious mandatory testing teachers are now forced to incorporate into the curriculum, of the 182 school days in a year, there are 110 when such testing is going on somewhere at Oakland High. As one of his colleagues put it, "It's like weighing a calf twice a day, but never feeding it."



But most of all, he simply observes his students, year to year, noting all the obvious evidence of teens' decreasing abilities when confronted with even the most basic intellectual tasks, from understanding simple history to working through moderately complex ideas to even (in a couple recent examples that particularly distressed him) being able to define the words "agriculture," or even "democracy." Not a single student could do it.



It gets worse. My friend cites the fact that, of the 6,000 high school students he estimates he's taught over the span of his career, only a small fraction now make it to his grade with a functioning understanding of written English. They do not know how to form a sentence. They cannot write an intelligible paragraph. Recently, after giving an assignment that required drawing lines, he realized that not a single student actually knew how to use a ruler.



It is, in short, nothing less than a tidal wave of dumb, with once-passionate, increasingly exasperated teachers like my friend nearly powerless to stop it. The worst part: It's not the kids' fault. They're merely the victims of a horribly failed educational system.



Then our discussion often turns to the meat of it, the bigger picture, the ugly and unavoidable truism about the lack of need among the government and the power elite in this nation to create a truly effective educational system, one that actually generates intelligent, thoughtful, articulate citizens.



Hell, why should they? After all, the dumber the populace, the easier it is to rule and control and launch unwinnable wars and pass laws telling them that sex is bad and TV is good and God knows all, so just pipe down and eat your Taco Bell Double-Supremo Burrito and be glad we don't arrest you for posting dirty pictures on your cute little blog.



This is about when I try to offer counter evidence, a bit of optimism. For one thing, I've argued generational relativity in this space before, suggesting maybe kids are no scarier or dumber or more dangerous than they've ever been, and that maybe some of the problem is merely the same old awkward generation gap, with every current generation absolutely convinced the subsequent one is terrifically stupid and malicious and will be the end of society as a whole. Just the way it always seems.



I also point out how, despite all the evidence of total public-education meltdown, I keep being surprised, keep hearing from/about teens and youth movements and actions that impress the hell out of me. Damn kids made the Internet what it is today, fer chrissakes. Revolutionized media. Broke all the rules. Still are.



Hell, some of the best designers, writers, artists, poets, chefs, and so on that I meet are in their early to mid-20s. And the nation's top universities are still managing, despite a factory-churning mentality, to crank out young minds of astonishing ability and acumen. How did these kids do it? How did they escape the horrible public school system? How did they avoid the great dumbing down of America? Did they never see a TV show until they hit puberty? Were they all born and raised elsewhere, in India and Asia and Russia? Did they all go to Waldorf or Montessori and eat whole-grain breads and play with firecrackers and take long walks in wild nature? Are these kids flukes? Exceptions? Just lucky?



My friend would say, well, yes, that's precisely what most of them are. Lucky, wealthy, foreign-born, private-schooled ... and increasingly rare. Most affluent parents in America — and many more who aren't — now put their kids in private schools from day one, and the smart ones give their kids no TV and minimal junk food and no video games. (Of course, this in no way guarantees a smart, attuned kid, but compared to the odds of success in the public school system, it sure seems to help). This covers about, what, 3 percent of the populace?



As for the rest, well, the dystopian evidence seems overwhelming indeed, to the point where it might be no stretch at all to say the biggest threat facing America is perhaps not global warming, not perpetual warmongering, not garbage food or low-level radiation or way too much Lindsay Lohan, but a populace far too ignorant to know how to properly manage any of it, much less change it all for the better.



What, too fatalistic? Don't worry. Soon enough, no one will know what the word even means.






Dark's Note: And if you think this is an exaggeration, just find ANY YouTube or Google video and read the comments left by the viewers. The amount of misspellings and bad grammar alone is utterly disturbing.





Do those people even have the wit to be embarrassed for themselves? Goddamn, if I were one of them not knowing what countries start with the letter U, I think I'd go home and put a bullet through the mush of my decayed brain. Literally decayed. It's not even fucking funny. They're meatloafs!!
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So basically what I'm hearin here is that the sun doesn't revole around the U.S. and that the world isn't flat ???




preposterous,pure hog wash >:(

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Young kids in America lack discipline and are never held accountable. Those two things are the the major problem; lack of discipline and not being accountable for their actions. Parents are lazy when it comes to parenting, it all starts at home. Parents would rather put their kids in front of a tv, or let them run wild outside rather than spend time with them than helping them with their homework, talking about lessons of life, and have them do simple chores. It's never too late to help these kids. I consistently work with 18-25 year olds from all over the states, and you will be amazed on what they can do when you challange them, discipline them, hold them accountable, and take the time to find out what makes them "tick". Not all these kids are reachable and some are too far gone, but the ones you do help and reach out to are the ones that will lead this country into the future.

Ok done with my meltdown  

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Europe creams the USA in every educational category.

Africa and the Middle East would be the same as the USA.

Common Denominator= a lot of religion= ignorance and stupidity

Europe= little religion= less ignorance and stupidity

^^ = ignorance and stupidity!

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Well, that used to be the case but I think most can figure out where Iraq is.

I work with an American and it's his first time overseas and he thought England was a country and that Tony Blaire had been the prime minister of England.... :o When I told him that he had been the prime minister of the United Kingdom, he said: I had always wondered what that was. :-\
All americans are stupid ? So all Muslims are terrorists? Him being stupid ,doesn't say much for you .?.He works with you ..Must be a bunch of fvcking idiots at your place of employment ?

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http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/3/11/embarrassingly-stupid-americans-one-in-five-believes-sun-revolves-around-earth.aspx
 

What do you expect, god knows (lolz) how many Americans believe that the world is only 2k years old and was created by a superhuman or godly being who doesn't want to be seen is all knowing but cannot be arsed to help when he is really needed.

Also the same kind of people (as pointed out correctly by Bill Hicks) believe that Dinosaurs or the fossils and fossilised bones of Dino's have been placed in the earth on this planet by God specially to trick us, or better said "to test our faith"

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