NFL Player suing ALRI Nutrition

[Manninen dude]

Where's that "Manninen Dude" when you need him?

LOL.. damn busy right now.. will start to investigate those low-life ALRI punks soon.. they are the real disgrace of supplement industry..

[Van_Bilderass]

LOL.. damn busy right now.. will start to investigate those low-life ALRI punks soon..

Selling anabolic steroids to unsuspecting teenagers - they SHOULD be sued!

[Jerryme7]

Arent there disclaimers on prohormones?

Most of us know the sides of prohormones. This NFL athlete should have known or contacted the company before he ever took the supplement.

ALRI isnt such abad company....their supplements do work.

I can attest that Venom is a great product.

Its not all ALRI's fault. People are given a choice to use or not to use whatever they wish....

Blame it on the FDA, there are the ones that need to do their jobs! Its our responsibilities as taxpayers to insure that the government does their job...

[Tre]

they are the real disgrace of supplement industry..

Damn, now that's saying something right there.

[Van_Bilderass]

ALRI isnt such abad company....their supplements do work.

I can attest that Venom is a great product.

They may work but here's the problem: do you know what's really in your product? If you go on bb.com you can find numerous threads on ALRI products where people are trying to find out what the compounds listed on the label really are. Even chemists like Patrick Arnold often do not know until they test it in a lab. This happened with the Jungle Warfare recently. How can you expect a teen to know what he's taking and making an informed decision when even a chemist can't figure it out? Kids though they were taking a "herbal test booster" and had problems with low test after using it. That's criminal IMO.

I checked out some Venom labels. Here's an example of an ingredient: Beta AET ECPE (beta-androstenetriol ECPE). Do you know what it does, what the potential side effects are? Is it regarded as safe, is there research on it, can it cause a positive doping test, etc.

[Van_Bilderass]

ALRI isnt such abad company....their supplements do work.

I can attest that Venom is a great product.

Its not all ALRI's fault. People are given a choice to use or not to use whatever they wish....

Great product alright! What a piece of shit "L.Rea" is

FDA Warns Consumers About Tainted Weight Loss Pills
Agency seeks recall of products that pose serious health risks

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration is alerting consumers nationwide not to purchase or consume more than 25 different products marketed for weight loss because they contain undeclared, active pharmaceutical ingredients that may put consumers’ health at risk.

The tainted weight loss products are:

Fatloss Slimming
   

2 Day Diet     
   

3x Slimming Power

Japan Lingzhi  24 Hours Diet
   

5x Imelda Perfect Slimming
   

3 Day Diet

7 Day Herbal Slim
   

8 Factor Diet
   

7 Diet Day/Night Formula

999 Fitness Essence
   

Extrim Plus
   

GMP

Imelda Perfect Slim
   

Lida DaiDaihua
   

Miaozi Slim Capsules

Perfect Slim
   

Perfect Slim 5x
   

Phyto Shape

ProSlim Plus
   

Royal Slimming Formula
   

Slim 3 in 1

Slim Express 360
   

Slimtech
   

Somotrim

Superslim
   

TripleSlim
   

Zhen de Shou

Venom Hyperdrive 3.0
   

 
   

 

An FDA analysis found that the undeclared active pharmaceutical ingredients in some of these products include sibutramine (a controlled substance), rimonabant (a drug not approved for marketing in the United States), phenytoin (an anti-seizure medication), and phenolphthalein (a solution used in chemical experiments and a suspected cancer causing agent). Some of the amounts of active pharmaceutical ingredients far exceeded the FDA-recommended levels, putting consumers' health at risk.

These weight loss products, some of which are marketed as “dietary supplements,” are promoted and sold on various Web sites and in some retail stores. Some of the products claim to be “natural” or to contain only “herbal” ingredients, but actually contain potentially harmful ingredients not listed on the product labels or in promotional advertisements. These products have not been approved by the FDA, are illegal and may be potentially harmful to unsuspecting consumers.

The FDA advises consumers who have used any of these products to stop taking them and consult their healthcare professional immediately. The FDA encourages consumers to seek guidance from a healthcare professional before purchasing weight loss products.

“These tainted weight loss products pose a great risk to public health because they contain undeclared ingredients and, in some cases, contain prescription drugs in amounts that greatly exceed their maximum recommended dosages,” said Janet Woodcock, M.D., director, Center for Drug Evaluation and Research, FDA. “Consumers have no way of knowing that these products contain powerful drugs that could cause serious health consequences. Therefore FDA is taking this action to protect the health of the American public.”

The FDA has inspected a number of companies associated with the sale of these illegal products, and is currently seeking product recalls. Based on the FDA’s inspections and the companies’ inadequate responses to recall requests, the FDA may take additional enforcement steps, such as issuing warning letters or initiating seizures, injunctions, or criminal charges.

The health risks posed by these products can be serious; for example, sibutramine, which was found in many of the products, can cause high blood pressure, seizures, tachycardia, palpitations, heart attack or stroke. This drug can also interact with other medications that patients may be taking and increase their risk of adverse drug events. The safety of sibutramine has also not been established in pregnant and lactating women, or in children younger than 16 years of age.

Rimonabant, another ingredient found in these products, was evaluated, but not approved by the FDA for marketing in the United States. The drug, which is approved in Europe, has been associated with increased risk of depression and suicidal thoughts and has been linked to five deaths and 720 adverse reactions in Europe over the last two years.
 
Health care professionals and consumers should report serious adverse events (side effects) or product quality problems to the FDA’s MedWatch Adverse Event Reporting program either online, by regular mail, fax or phone.

    * Online: www.fda.gov/MedWatch/report.htm
    * Regular Mail: use postage-paid FDA form 3500 available at: www.fda.gov/MedWatch/getforms.htm and mail to MedWatch, 5600 Fishers Lane, Rockville, MD 20852-9787
    * Fax: (800) FDA-0178
    * Phone: (800) FDA-1088

Information for consumers can be found at:
http://www.fda.gov/cder/consumerinfo/weight_loss_products.htm

To learn more about FDA’s initiative against unapproved drugs read FDA’s Compliance Policy Guide here: http://www.fda.gov/cder/Guidance/6911fnl.htm.

[240 is Back]

WTF? 

Rimonabant, another ingredient found in these products, was evaluated, but not approved by the FDA for marketing in the United States. The drug, which is approved in Europe, has been associated with increased risk of depression and suicidal thoughts and has been linked to five deaths and 720 adverse reactions in Europe over the last two years.

[gordiano]

WTF? 

Rimonabant, another ingredient found in these products, was evaluated, but not approved by the FDA for marketing in the United States. The drug, which is approved in Europe, has been associated with increased risk of depression and suicidal thoughts and has been linked to five deaths and 720 adverse reactions in Europe over the last two years.

Goddamn!

[240 is Back]

The health risks posed by these products can be serious; for example, sibutramine, which was found in many of the products, can cause high blood pressure, seizures, tachycardia, palpitations, heart attack or stroke.

Again, W. T. F.

[Van_Bilderass]

The health risks posed by these products can be serious; for example, sibutramine, which was found in many of the products, can cause high blood pressure, seizures, tachycardia, palpitations, heart attack or stroke.

Again, W. T. F.

The compound isn't necessarily extremely dangerous if you are otherwise healthy (mechanism of action is similar to some antidepressants). The problem is that it was intentionally added to the product. Just like when ALRI spiked the "Jungle Warfare" with anabolic steroids. The customer deserves to know what he's ingesting. This Scott Jensen guy deserves jail time IMO.

[240 is Back]

The compound isn't necessarily extremely dangerous if you are otherwise healthy (mechanism of action is similar to some antidepressants). The problem is that it was intentionally added to the product. Just like when ALRI spiked the "Jungle Warfare" with anabolic steroids. The customer deserves to know what he's ingesting. This Scott Jensen guy deserves jail time IMO.

Is scott jensen the reaon name of that Arthur L Rea guy?

[Van_Bilderass]

Is scott jensen the reaon name of that Arthur L Rea guy?

Yes

[240 is Back]

Yes

Wow... spiking supplements is a serious charge.  It wouldn't matter if it was just some kids complaining about it on message boards.  but if NFL stars lost millions of dollars as a result of something which was intentionally placed into supplements... and if there are ironclad tests in existence to prove it...

Wow... it used to be just 'rumors' of Philips and others spiking things, 15 years back.  If they have solid evidence of it, then it's going to be some big news.

It's been 9 months - any resolution of this case yet?

[Van_Bilderass]

Wow... spiking supplements is a serious charge.  It wouldn't matter if it was just some kids complaining about it on message boards.  but if NFL stars lost millions of dollars as a result of something which was intentionally placed into supplements... and if there are ironclad tests in existence to prove it...

Wow... it used to be just 'rumors' of Philips and others spiking things, 15 years back.  If they have solid evidence of it, then it's going to be some big news.

It's been 9 months - any resolution of this case yet?

This sibutramine etc spiking case is fresh

http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/NEWS/2008/NEW01933.html

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Health/Healthday/story?id=6514670&page=1
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28355841/
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601202&sid=ahm6cKfNvjBE
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/12/22/fyi/main4683442.shtml

ALRI has done this several times before. Of course claims it was unintentional but it's BS.

Applied Lifescience Research Industries, Inc. (“ALR Industries”) has always been a leader and innovator in manufacturing cutting-edge dietary supplements. While athletic performance has always been a top priority, the health and safety of the consumer has always been paramount. It has recently come to our attention that some older batches of Venom Hyperdrive 3.0™ might have been contaminated with trace elements of a drug called Sibutramine. While it is the company’s opinion that the trace amounts of Sibutramine are not harmful to healthy individuals, in an abundance of caution, ALR Industries has issued a recall of the product. Please note that this recall pertains only to the old Venom Hyperdrive 3.0™, and not the new Hyperdrive 3.0+™ as all current and new batches have tested clean. We apologize for any inconvenience this recall may cause. Please contact your retailer or vender for a replacement or full refund. Thank you for your continued support of ALR Industries.

Yes, safety always was "paramount". Putting anabolic steroids in supposedly herbal supplements that they know will be used by kids. 

[NaturalWonder83]

regardless of what some propoganda says...that dude from alri has a cool training video on md.com and seems like a cool dude

[benz]

regardless of what some propoganda says...that dude from alri has a cool training video on md.com and seems like a cool dude

thiefs always look cool

[dustin]

ALRI was marketing that product as a non hormonal test booster - NOT a pro hormone. NON-FUCKING-HORMONAL, natural test booster. ALR is a piece of shit and uses a faggy ass fake name. What a fucking homo. And his journey isn't impressive either. Plenty of people have used drugs and gotten big. It's not a very great success story.

I've tried ALRI's Jungle Warfare back in the day and it was spiked with some sort of steroidal compound. In hindsight, that was too strong to be a natural product. I didn't see any shut down because it wasn't very strong compared to other AAS, nor is 30 days a long duration to encounter shut down. But I've tried the newer version and it felt like a plain old natty test booster. Some journal was printed out East about there being "d-bol isomers" detected in the old formula, whatever that is. Long story short, the shit's got steroids in it. Steroidal compounds were being marketing as natural test boosters and their fat burners have pharmaceuticals like diuretics and other banned stims. They are horrible people.

They should just create a shell company and sell that shit legally on bb.com. There are hundreds of designer steroids and pro hormones that evade bans simply because they're just not scheduled yet. They could duck under the radar and sell their potentially harmful "supplements" legally. For whatever that's worth...

[BFP]

Someone sueing a supplement company over a product in which they claim has nandrolone in it. From 2005. It will be interesting to see how they prove this.

Do they have the original bottle?
Do they know that ALRI manufactures the product somewhere else, and they usually have test bottles, and insurance?
Was the person taking prescription medicine at any time, or other products?
Did he really not take anything else....

Been involved in this line of questioning before...

Ron, its no secret max lmg or what ever the hell it was called was teh juice.

jason

[robins]

Interesting read.

In the forelast nobullradio broadcast there was the lawyer with Arthur L. Rea on.He talked (his lis lawyer) talked about the case.

http://www.musculardevelopment.com/content/view/1342/140/

[The Showstoppa]

Yeah...it was those dang supplements that caused him to test positive....

[LatsMcGee]

I heard DA got AIDS from a toilet seat.

[GetItOnNY]

I dont always agree with Van Bilderass, but this time he is right.Anyone who "spikes" herbal products with steroids,should be sued, and put in jail.I have heard of some companies spiking there stuff with Androstene, which is wrong, but to spike a product with a steroid, is very devious.Lets say a natural bodybuider takes one of these spiked products, then fails his drug test? He will be accused of cheating, and kicked out of his natural organization.The ABA, one of the "real natural ' bodybuilding organizations, actually posts athletes that faiuled there drug test.Imagine failing there drug test because youj took a natural supplement, you not only get kicked out of the organization, but your name gets tanrished.Your known as a cheater.Also in Las Vegas, casino;s drug test there employess, even 21 dealers believe it or not, and they test for steroids.Imagine getting fired from your job, for failing a drug test, because you took a "spiked ' natural supplement.
Not to long ago High Tech Pharmaceuticals, got caught slipping Viagra, in there Stamina RX
I understand companies wanting to make products that work, but there is a diffrence, between making something work, and spiking something.
Taking steroids is a choice, and if you want to take steroids, you wouldnt be in a supplement store buying a natural supplement.If you wanted to take steroids You would go to the doctor, or find a steroid dealer in the gym. A company should not be making that choice for you.I am neutral when it comes to my stance on steroid use.I support both natural, and non natural bodybuilders.I just think that it is up to the athlete to make that choice.When that choice is taken away from company who "spikes" there products, that is not only devious, but it is crimminal

[Van_Bilderass]

Not to long ago High Tech Pharmaceuticals, got caught slipping Viagra, in there Stamina RX

TONS of companies have done this with "herbal" libido/performance boosters. If it works just like a pharmaceutical PDE5 inhibitor drug I guarantee it DOES contain a pharmaceutical PDE5 inhibitor. There are also derivatives of Viagra and Cialis that have recently been discovered in supplements. First they just put Viagra in and when that didn't work they used the derivatives.

[GetItOnNY]

Sergio OLivera, one of the onwers of Hi-tech Pharmaceuticals, is person who has had many run ins with the FDA.First he was running around with Bill Philips back in the early 90's selling juice, and took the fall for Bill.So Bill made Sergio his national sales Manager of EAS.Then Bill fired him.So Sergio ran into a guy by the name of Carl.I dont remeber carls name, but Carl owned Renewtrient.If you dont know this Renewtrtient was the first GHB knock-off, followed by atleast 2 dozen others.Sergio, sold Renewtrient, with Carl ,and made tens of millions, the money they made was insane.Carl didnt pay taxes, if you bought Renewtrient you had to send him a money in his name.They wouldnt rlease any product without prepayment.They started out by selling 32oz liquid bottles, then went on to selling renewtrient in capsules.Renewtrient was Gamabutylactyone, and water.Its a drilling solvent.Then they came out with Somato Pro, which was a few molcules away.It contained Tetramethyleneglycol.als o known as 1-4 Butan-doiol but I beleive that is the chemical, anyways it was a solvent aswell, & give you a euphoric feeling.At that time Sergio started Body International, this was a distributing company he used to distribute supplement like Renewtrient, Somato Pro, Euthenics, Proven, GEN, Metrx, aswell as several other brands.After Renewtrient got banned, his company Body folded, and he burned MetRx for $250,000.Sergio then tried to file a lawsuite against the FDA, for banning Renewtrient,saying that it wasnt GHB, but converted to GHB in the body.The problem with Renewtrient was it had the main ingredient to making GHB.So it would convert to GHB in the bottle during shipping.Renewtrient was Gamabutlactone, the only thing it was missing to making GHB is the caustic soda.Thats why it got banned.Besides idiots taking it, driving, or trying to take advantage girls when they were sedated on it.
Anyways Sergio disspeared for awhile, then started working for HI-Tech along with Gerad Wheat.When Ephdera got banned Sergio again tried to file a lawsuit against the FDA, stopping them from banning Ephedra.They winded up seizing $5 million worth of Ephedra from HI-Tech, and locking up Sergio,and other people at Hi-Tech.
Then 6 months after that happened HI-Tech got popped for putting Viagra, in there product Stamina RX.Rumor has it Sergio was flying over to other countires, where Viagra was cheap, and having it shipped to the USA in boxes that said some other ingredient. like Ginko Biloba.The bottom line is Sergio Olivera, is no stranger to the FDA,aswell as the law and is one of those people who is always up to something, that is questionable.

[LatsMcGee]

Art Rea is kind of a piece of shit.