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What's happening here is people are confusing the preacher's political views with Obama's.



I'm not.  Just questioning his judgment, along with liberal and conservative pundits (see the quotes above from Juan Williams and Charles Krauthammer). 

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I'm not.  Just questioning his judgment, along with liberal and conservative pundits (see the quotes above from Juan Williams and Charles Krauthammer). 

Well yes and no.   You are questioning some things about Obama some of which you are posting  as reasons not to vote for him or to re-think why you should vote for him.

The reality, is, what this preacher has to say about politics should be a non-issue, but everything about this thread is making it a political issue

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Re: Reverend Wright Sets the Paper of Record Straight
« Reply #77 on: March 17, 2008, 12:34:15 PM »
March 11, 2007

Jodi Kantor
The New York Times
9 West 43rd Street
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New York 10036-3959

Dear Jodi:

Thank you for engaging in one of the biggest misrepresentations of the truth I have ever seen in sixty-five years. You sat and shared with me for two hours. You told me you were doing a “Spiritual Biography” of Senator Barack Obama. For two hours, I shared with you how I thought he was the most principled individual in public service that I have ever met.

For two hours, I talked with you about how idealistic he was. For two hours I shared with you what a genuine human being he was. I told you how incredible he was as a man who was an African American in public service, and as a man who refused to announce his candidacy for President until Carol Moseley Braun indicated one way or the other whether or not she was going to run.

I told you what a dreamer he was. I told you how idealistic he was. We talked about how refreshing it would be for someone who knew about Islam to be in the Oval Office. Your own question to me was, Didn’t I think it would be incredible to have somebody in the Oval Office who not only knew about Muslims, but had living and breathing Muslims in his own family? I told you how important it would be to have a man who not only knew the difference between Shiites and Sunnis prior to 9/11/01 in the Oval Office, but also how important it would be to have a man who knew what Sufism was; a man who understood that there were different branches of Judaism; a man who knew the difference between Hasidic Jews, Orthodox Jews, Conservative Jews and Reformed Jews; and a man who was a devout Christian, but who did not prejudge others because they believed something other than what he believed.

I talked about how rare it was to meet a man whose Christianity was not just “in word only.”  I talked about Barack being a person who lived his faith and did not argue his faith. I talked about Barack as a person who did not draw doctrinal lines in the sand nor consign other people to hell if they did not believe what he believed.

Out of a two-hour conversation with you about Barack’s spiritual journey and my protesting to you that I had not shaped him nor formed him, that I had not mentored him or made him the man he was, even though I would love to take that credit, you did not print any of that. When I told you, using one of your own Jewish stories from the Hebrew Bible as to how God asked Moses, “What is that in your hand?,” that Barack was like that when I met him. Barack had it “in his hand.” Barack had in his grasp a uniqueness in terms of his spiritual development that one is hard put to find in the 21st century, and you did not print that.

As I was just starting to say a moment ago, Jodi, out of two hours of conversation I spent approximately five to seven minutes on Barack’s taking advice from one of his trusted campaign people and deeming it unwise to make me the media spotlight on the day of his announcing his candidacy for the Presidency and what do you print? You and your editor proceeded to present to the general public a snippet, a printed “sound byte” and a titillating and tantalizing article about his disinviting me to the Invocation on the day of his announcing his candidacy.

I have never been exposed to that kind of duplicitous behavior before, and I want to write you publicly to let you know that I do not approve of it and will not be party to any further smearing of the name, the reputation, the integrity or the character of perhaps this nation’s first (and maybe even only) honest candidate offering himself for public service as the person to occupy the Oval Office.

Your editor is a sensationalist. For you to even mention that makes me doubt your credibility, and I am looking forward to see how you are going to butcher what else I had to say concerning Senator Obama’s “Spiritual Biography.” Our Conference Minister, the Reverend Jane Fisler Hoffman, a white woman who belongs to a Black church that Hannity of “Hannity and Colmes” is trying to trash, set the record straight for you in terms of who I am and in terms of who we are as the church to which Barack has belonged for over twenty years.

The president of our denomination, the Reverend John Thomas, has offered to try to help you clarify in your confused head what Trinity Church is even though you spent the entire weekend with us setting me up to interview me for what turned out to be a smear of the Senator; and yet The New York Times continues to roll on making the truth what it wants to be the truth. I do not remember reading in your article that Barack had apologized for listening to that bad information and bad advice. Did I miss it? Or did your editor cut it out? Either way, you do not have to worry about hearing anything else from me for you to edit or “spin” because you are more interested in journalism than in truth.

Forgive me for having a momentary lapse. I forgot that The New York Times was leading the bandwagon in trumpeting why it is we should have gone into an illegal war. The New York Times became George Bush and the Republican Party’s national “blog.”  The New York Times played a role in the outing of Valerie Plame. I do not know why I thought The New York Times had actually repented and was going to exhibit a different kind of behavior.

Maybe it was my faith in the Jewish Holy Day of Roshashana.  Maybe it was my being caught up in the euphoria of the Season of Lent; but whatever it is or was, I was sadly mistaken. There is no repentance on the part of The New York Times. There is no integrity when it comes to The Times. You should do well with that paper, Jodi. You looked me straight in my face and told me a lie!

Sincerely and respectfully yours,

Reverend Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. ,
Senior Pastor
Trinity United Church of Christ
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Well yes and no.   You are questioning some things about Obama some of which you are posting  as reasons not to vote for him or to re-think why you should vote for him.

The reality, is, what this preacher has to say about politics should be a non-issue, but everything about this thread is making it a political issue

I'm questioning his judgment and that of his spiritual advisor.  I'm not questioning his spiritual beliefs or those of his spiritual advisor.  I don't even know what his spiritual beliefs truly are.  He claims to be a devout Christian and claims to pray daily.  Have no idea if that is accurate. 

Anyone saying in a public forum that we invented HIV in a lab to try and exterminate black people is off his rocker.  If Obama is getting advice from someone like that, then I'm concerned about it.  In that sense, it is a legitimate political issue.     

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Yeah, its not confusing the two, rather, the question is why would Obama, someone who very well could be our next president belong to such a non-mainstream church with such a close relationship with a nutty pastor like this.  That should concern us all.  With the intelligent and positive way Barack presents himself, I was surprised to see a close friend and spiritual mentor like this pastor whos sermons are filled with such discontent for America, unfounded speculations and theories under the guise of a christian church.  This man is in a position to lead people, to better people, and this is the crap he preaches.  I'm not a big fan of organized religion but this seems hypocritical to me.

I don't remember McCain and Farwell being near the same degree of association, however, I would condem anything that supports Farwell's wacky comments too.

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I think its a huge deal as far as who Obama associates himself with....this is not the first guy who he's associated himslef with, that has issues. But I guess its just words.
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I think its a huge deal as far as who Obama associates himself with....this is not the first guy who he's associated himslef with, that has issues. But I guess its just words.


who have the other people been, that have 'had issues'?

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I assume you mean Resko.  To me, thats not as big a deal...but I don't know all the details either.

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I assume you mean Resko.  To me, thats not as big a deal...but I don't know all the details either.

Supposedly, one of his campaign contributors is under investigation.

It's a very slippery slope for Hillary's campaign to try to use that against him, because many of her long time campaign contributors have been under similar types of investigation, and others have been convicted. Supposedly there is not even any allegation of wrong doing on Obama's part, but his opponents are desperate to malign him in any way they can. It's grasping at straws when it comes down to it because if all were guilty by that same kind of association, not one political candidate or elected official could remain standing. I heard Enron made many contributions to campaign on both sides of the aisle, as did Worldcom, microsoft, and any number of companies who later come under scrutiny.
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I'm questioning his judgment and that of his spiritual advisor.  I'm not questioning his spiritual beliefs or those of his spiritual advisor.  I don't even know what his spiritual beliefs truly are.  He claims to be a devout Christian and claims to pray daily.  Have no idea if that is accurate. 

Anyone saying in a public forum that we invented HIV in a lab to try and exterminate black people is off his rocker.  If Obama is getting advice from someone like that, then I'm concerned about it.  In that sense, it is a legitimate political issue.     


You've never talked with multiple people who were stationed in Ft. Detrick? I'm not saying it was to exterminate black people, but it was surely invented.  Think of it like this BB, there were people who used the Bible to justify slavery, and there were those who used the Bible to justify the abolition of slavery.  In truth the Bible neither condones nor condemns slavery. But many people read the Bible and take from it what they can. Just as Obama can with his Pastor.

There have been times where I was in the presents of 5 Percenters, Christians, Jehovah Witness', Eastern Stars, NOI (Nation of Islam) during times of "building" sessions, a lot of what they say is true or makes sense, and a lot of what they say makes no sense what so ever. But should I discount the truth that one gets because of the Out of this World claims? No, because sometimes the most far fetched ideas, are just that, far fetched, and other times, they are so far out, that we don't see the truth in them.

Have you ever talked with a old man whose been around the world  and gained a lot of wisdom. Sometimes their wisdom or judgment is colored by their experiences. So you have a black preacher whose probably been in the Chicago area all his life (I don't know), seeing those projects built, seeing the Souther blacks move in, seeing the whole "project" fail. Then you have Obama, a mulatto whose grandmother didn't like black men, and whose mother probably gravitated towards them because of that. And now Obama is part of that church, makes damn perfect sense to me. Both came to a spot in their lives that intersected, all due to their experiences in life. I see no big deal in it.

As it was said before, we have Prez. Bomb A lot focusing in on another War, gas is almost 4 dollars a gallon in MD, which means prices of everything  else goes up...I wish Americans would keep their eyes on the ball, our lack of focus is one reason why we struck out for the past 8 years.

"Chickens coming home to Roast", last time that was said, JFK was assassinated, and the man who said it, Malcolm X, was ex-communicated from the NOI. Lets hope something doesn't go down with this.

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Interesting that Beach Bum is using generalized labels of "crazy" and "off his rocker" now to describe those with beliefs that fall outside the conventional story - or even do not.

20% of Americans believe we didn't set foot on the moon.  They shouldn't have guns.
67% of Americans weant a new 911 investigation.  They're all crazy.

Beach Bum, you're a close minded republican cumguzzler.  And you know it.  When you look in the mirror, you don't see a man, you see a sheep.

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You've never talked with multiple people who were stationed in Ft. Detrick? I'm not saying it was to exterminate black people, but it was surely invented.  Think of it like this BB, there were people who used the Bible to justify slavery, and there were those who used the Bible to justify the abolition of slavery.  In truth the Bible neither condones nor condemns slavery. But many people read the Bible and take from it what they can. Just as Obama can with his Pastor.

There have been times where I was in the presents of 5 Percenters, Christians, Jehovah Witness', Eastern Stars, NOI (Nation of Islam) during times of "building" sessions, a lot of what they say is true or makes sense, and a lot of what they say makes no sense what so ever. But should I discount the truth that one gets because of the Out of this World claims? No, because sometimes the most far fetched ideas, are just that, far fetched, and other times, they are so far out, that we don't see the truth in them.

Have you ever talked with a old man whose been around the world  and gained a lot of wisdom. Sometimes their wisdom or judgment is colored by their experiences. So you have a black preacher whose probably been in the Chicago area all his life (I don't know), seeing those projects built, seeing the Souther blacks move in, seeing the whole "project" fail. Then you have Obama, a mulatto whose grandmother didn't like black men, and whose mother probably gravitated towards them because of that. And now Obama is part of that church, makes damn perfect sense to me. Both came to a spot in their lives that intersected, all due to their experiences in life. I see no big deal in it.

As it was said before, we have Prez. Bomb A lot focusing in on another War, gas is almost 4 dollars a gallon in MD, which means prices of everything  else goes up...I wish Americans would keep their eyes on the ball, our lack of focus is one reason why we struck out for the past 8 years.

"Chickens coming home to Roast", last time that was said, JFK was assassinated, and the man who said it, Malcolm X, was ex-communicated from the NOI. Lets hope something doesn't go down with this.

I hear what you're saying Parker and I agree with you to some extent.  I've talked to black folks who lived through Jim Crow and many of them really do have a different outlook.  They're much more suspicious, some are more jaded, some are frankly a little paranoid (and rightfully so). 

That said, I've read about HIV and I'm sorry but it's just insane to say it was created by the United States government to wipe out black people. That's the kind of thing I would expect an ignorant fool who believes we faked the moon landing to say. 

Also, it's one thing to have some bizarre viewpoints.  It's quite another to state them in a public forum.  I have a good friend who believes the government has a "weather machine."  He's smart, educated, level headed.  He would never repeat that claim in public. 

The issue for me is judgment more than anything else. 

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20% of Americans believe we didn't set foot on the moon.  They shouldn't have guns.

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moon landing pic = brutal red herring.

for a lib moderator, you sure use a lot of red herrings, BB.

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I hear what you're saying Parker and I agree with you to some extent.  I've talked to black folks who lived through Jim Crow and many of them really do have a different outlook.  They're much more suspicious, some are more jaded, some are frankly a little paranoid (and rightfully so). 

That said, I've read about HIV and I'm sorry but it's just insane to say it was created by the United States government to wipe out black people. That's the kind of thing I would expect an ignorant fool who believes we faked the moon landing to say. 

Also, it's one thing to have some bizarre viewpoints.  It's quite another to state them in a public forum.  I have a good friend who believes the government has a "weather machine."  He's smart, educated, level headed.  He would never repeat that claim in public. 

The issue for me is judgment more than anything else. 

Perhaps you need to read a little more about it then. I'm not in any way saying the allegations are correct, however, when one studies the issue closely enough there are some very disturbing correlations that make the allegations appear a lot less unplausible and one is able to see the logic in the reasoning.

Furthermore, I'm sure many years ago there were well meaning citizens screaming about how insane the natives crackpot conspiracy theorists were when they made claim that the gov was purposely infecting their population with small pox, or even recently when those crackpot conspiracy theorist Jews were making claim that the Nazi's were systematically killing Jews. Genocide along racial & religious lines have been taking place on this planet for centuries. The theory is not insane, especially when there is credible evidence to suggest such a thing as both plausible and implementable.
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when confronted with facts, beach bum will quickly respond with an eye roll and a trained generic label response.  Like this:



Sounds like you're a nut.   ::)



it'll be somthing like that.  jag, I haven't heard much about that HIV claim... share what you have on it.  I've heard it quite a few times, never seen anything credible on it.  What causes you to say there are very disturbing correlations?

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Perhaps you need to read a little more about it then. I'm not in any way saying the allegations are correct, however, when one studies the issue closely enough there are some very disturbing correlations that make the allegations appear a lot less unplausible and one is able to see the logic in the reasoning.

Furthermore, I'm sure many years ago there were well meaning citizens screaming about how insane the natives crackpot conspiracy theorists were when they made claim that the gov was purposely infecting their population with small pox, or even recently when those crackpot conspiracy theorist Jews were making claim that the Nazi's were systematically killing Jews. Genocide along racial & religious lines have been taking place on this planet for centuries. The theory is not insane, especially when there is credible evidence to suggest such a thing as both plausible and implementable.

And what specific "very disturbing correlations that make the allegations appear a lot less unplausible" are you talking about? 

BTW, I posted some information about HIV and AIDs a while back that contradict the traditional view about how the disease is transmitted:   http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=95759.25

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when confronted with facts, beach bum will quickly respond with an eye roll and a trained generic label response.  Like this:



Sounds like you're a nut.   ::)



it'll be somthing like that.  jag, I haven't heard much about that HIV claim... share what you have on it.  I've heard it quite a few times, never seen anything credible on it.  What causes you to say there are very disturbing correlations?
Hey Rob,
Had a Professor in College who "claims" to have been station at Ft. Detrick, I forgot most of his lecture, but  he backed up his proof of being stationed there and had other info...like I said, I forgot most of it, it was like 10 years ago. I forgot what he did in the military. I've met others who were stationed there as well, all say similar things. That's the funny thing about the DC metro area, you run into people who "supposedly" have had inside info. But I don't know if it's like the X-files Cigarette Man, in which they are told things to spread to the populace in order to mislead them or not.

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And what specific "very disturbing correlations that make the allegations appear a lot less unplausible" are you talking about? 

BTW, I posted some information about HIV and AIDs a while back that contradict the traditional view about how the disease is transmitted:   http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=95759.25

Since I'm aware of your MO, understand this post is for the benefit of those who don't play the blind fool on here.

I have neither the time, nor inclination to dig out the heavy proof, but off the top of my head, one can start with the Tuskeegee experiments and the timing of those. The US gov deemed it necessary to infect African American males in America with a deadly STD, and decided to withhold forbid any sort of treatment for them in order to study the progress of it's debilitating effects on the immune system for 3/4ths of a century ...and people claim anyone who espouses or gives any credence to Wright's theory is a crackpot?  ::)  I think anyone who could dismiss such theories outright are those who are not thinking to full capacity. Precedence has been well set, and it is a well known fact that those who forget their history are doomed to repeat it. Furthermore, when the US government knowingly allows a corporation (Bayer)  to knowingly export and infect the populations of Europe... infact the world, with HIV infected Factor 8, do you really think they would be above the creation of a biological weapon for use in Africa? I won't even bring into this what biological agents have been created and sprayed over San Francisco, or released into the subways of NYC. The USA gov has already experimented more than enough on it's own citizens at home, has exposed it's own citizens to enough deadly, biological and radioactive weaponry to make it not at all unplausible that they could do the same to Africans over in Africa.

A much simpler and far more stark "co-incidence" however is massive vaccinations. Some of you may not recall, infact, some of you may not have even been born then, ...but in the late 70's, ...there was a massive vaccination campaign around the world against smallpox. Shortly thereafter, many who got the smallpox vaccination here in North America, came down with smallpox. There were different effects in different countries around the world, as if each country got a different version, but there was a fallout in most of them.

Do you recall in cinema when the detectives are trying to locate a suspect, track him down to an area or locate the vicinity where s/he will most likely attack his/her next victim, ...and the director or cinematographer tries to graphically display that for the audience, ...they will show a man with pins pushed in, in a sort of graphical triangulation for the audience? ... ok, now, take out a map of the continent of Africa, and lay out the regions where the WHO did their initial small pox innoculations.  Then take out another map of the continent of Africa, and lay out the initial outbreak regions for AIDs. When you superimpose one map over the other... guess what... they fit exactly.

That's just cursory. The HIV virus is a spliced and genetically engineered virus that simply got away from them.

Consider too what other mad scientists around the world are cooking up. We have scientists in Israel attempting to isolate genetic markers unique to Palestinians. I hope you're not naive enough to think this is being done so that Israeli doctors can figure out how to provide better health care to Palestinians. Fortunately, Israeli genetics (especially those of the Sephardim) & Palestinian genetics are so closely related, they are unable to target a biological weapon that would take out Palestinians without doing themselves irreparable damage in the process. "Never Again" made for a catchy sound byte, ...but it never took root in the heart of all men.
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Since I'm aware of your MO, understand this post is for the benefit of those who don't play the blind fool on here.

I have neither the time, nor inclination to dig out the heavy proof, but off the top of my head, one can start with the Tuskeegee experiments and the timing of those. The US gov deemed it necessary to infect African American males in America with a deadly STD, and decided to withhold forbid any sort of treatment for them in order to study the progress of it's debilitating effects on the immune system for 3/4ths of a century ...and people claim anyone who espouses or gives any credence to Wright's theory is a crackpot?  ::)  I think anyone who could dismiss such theories outright are those who are not thinking to full capacity. Precedence has been well set, and it is a well known fact that those who forget their history are doomed to repeat it. Furthermore, when the US government knowingly allows a corporation (Bayer)  to knowingly export and infect the populations of Europe... infact the world, with HIV infected Factor 8, do you really think they would be above the creation of a biological weapon for use in Africa? I won't even bring into this what biological agents have been created and sprayed over San Francisco, or released into the subways of NYC. The USA gov has already experimented more than enough on it's own citizens at home, has exposed it's own citizens to enough deadly, biological and radioactive weaponry to make it not at all unplausible that they could do the same to Africans over in Africa.

A much simpler and far more stark "co-incidence" however is massive vaccinations. Some of you may not recall, infact, some of you may not have even been born then, ...but in the late 70's, ...there was a massive vaccination campaign around the world against smallpox. Shortly thereafter, many who got the smallpox vaccination here in North America, came down with smallpox. There were different effects in different countries around the world, as if each country got a different version, but there was a fallout in most of them.

Do you recall in cinema when the detectives are trying to locate a suspect, track him down to an area or locate the vicinity where s/he will most likely attack his/her next victim, ...and the director or cinematographer tries to graphically display that for the audience, ...they will show a man with pins pushed in, in a sort of graphical triangulation for the audience? ... ok, now, take out a map of the continent of Africa, and lay out the regions where the WHO did their initial small pox innoculations.  Then take out another map of the continent of Africa, and lay out the initial outbreak regions for AIDs. When you superimpose one map over the other... guess what... they fit exactly.

That's just cursory. The HIV virus is a spliced and genetically engineered virus that simply got away from them.

Consider too what other mad scientists around the world are cooking up. We have scientists in Israel attempting to isolate genetic markers unique to Palestinians. I hope you're not naive enough to think this is being done so that Israeli doctors can figure out how to provide better health care to Palestinians. Fortunately, Israeli genetics (especially those of the Sephardim) & Palestinian genetics are so closely related, they are unable to target a biological weapon that would take out Palestinians without doing themselves irreparable damage in the process. "Never Again" made for a catchy sound byte, ...but it never took root in the heart of all men.

Are you kidding?  No time or inclination for "heavy proof"?  You didn't provide an iota of proof.  This is typical conspiracy theorist gibberish.  For example:

Furthermore, when the US government knowingly allows a corporation (Bayer)  to knowingly export and infect the populations of Europe... infact the world, with HIV infected Factor 8, do you really think they would be above the creation of a biological weapon for use in Africa?

lol. . . . Another getbig.com exclusive.  The U.S. government knowingly allowed Bayer to infect the world with HIV?? Good Lord.  Proof?  How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you say this kind of stuff?? 

I'm sorry I asked . . . .

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The HIV virus was not created by the US to infect blacks.  Using past history to propose this is ludacris.  We are talking about two different time periods in history.  That part of our history is disgusting, no doubt.

After that rambling conspiracy theory...I'm not sure if we should be discussing this any further.  If you (and others) really believe HIV was created and unleased on black Americans during the 1980s, there are more issues in this country than I thought.  I'm pretty sure most of my black friends wouldn't buy into this crap.

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The HIV virus was not created by the US to infect blacks.  Using past history to propose this is ludacris.  We are talking about two different time periods in history.  That part of our history is disgusting, no doubt.

After that rambling conspiracy theory...I'm not sure if we should be discussing this any further.  If you (and others) really believe HIV was created and unleased on black Americans during the 1980s, there are more issues in this country than I thought.

Well said.  Completely agree. 

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The HIV virus was not created by the US to infect blacks.  Using past history to propose this is ludacris.  We are talking about two different time periods in history.  That part of our history is disgusting, no doubt.

After that rambling conspiracy theory...I'm not sure if we should be discussing this any further.  If you (and others) really believe HIV was created and unleased on black Americans during the 1980s, there are more issues in this country than I thought.  I'm pretty sure most of my black friends wouldn't buy into this crap.


This stuff is part of a sub-culture.   It's wacky, blaming and completely out of touch with reality.  It's another way not to be accountable for one's own life.

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Are you kidding?  No time or inclination for "heavy proof"?  You didn't provide an iota of proof.  This is typical conspiracy theorist gibberish.


Proof have never been a requirement for deeming an allegation plausible, ...only logic & reason.

The operative word is plausible. I will re-iterate: I make no claim that the allegations are correct.
Simply that to label someone a "crackpot" in the presence of plausibility & precedent betrays an incredible amount of ignorance at best. More plausibly though (there's that word again), it displays a desperate bid to avert the eyes and attention of a public that might ask the question "What could make an educated and learned man espouse such theories?"

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Furthermore, when the US government knowingly allows a corporation (Bayer)  to knowingly export and infect the populations of Europe... infact the world, with HIV infected Factor 8, do you really think they would be above the creation of a biological weapon for use in Africa?

lol. . . . Another getbig.com exclusive.  The U.S. government knowingly allowed Bayer to infect the world with HIV?? Good Lord.  Proof?  How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you say this kind of stuff?? 

I'm sorry I asked . . . .




Those who spend their lives glued to the spectacle of Reality TV, American Idol, or the distraction of Paris Hilton's social life may have a hard time hearing, let alone accepting certain hard truths, ...however, the informed (and thankfully they are an ever increasing number) are able to get past the initial shock to their sensibilities. Despite the incredible intellectual deficit displayed by those of your ilk, I still believe there is hope for America and Americans. Every day Americans are standing up for change, and a departure from the status quo and old ways of doing things. As their eyes open wider and they begin to see who they once were, how far they have stepped away from that to become what they have, as well as the work still left to be done. As this process increases, the hard truths of where they were, and the vision of who they are to become grows every day clearer and clearer.

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Agree completely.   It's nonsense.

The govt did let an infectious STD kill a group of people in 1972 for research purposes.
They readily admit it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Study_of_Untreated_Syphilis_in_the_Negro_Male

But they wouldn't do it in 1981 when HIV arrived, as some have accused.
That would be crazy.  Fucking CT lunatics.  You're nuts.