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Non-criminal trespassers - how do you deal?
« on: April 04, 2008, 07:34:21 AM »

RARELY does anyone other than Killary Clinton get into my head, but I was going to my neighborhood park yesterday when some middle-aged guy approached me and asked me what I thought I was doing. 

Surprised and a little bit confused, I told him I was going to the park.  He replies, "Until the park is open, this is private property, pal." and then added something like "Who do you think owns all this land?" to which I replied, "As far as I know, this is part of the 'green space' (it's a California thing) that all the homeowners are responsible for."

"Well, it's not - it's private." 

Now, in his defense, I was about to cross the yellow Caution tape on the sidewalk, but in all fairness to me, I had simply assumed that they'd decided to do some more work on the parking lot as they had once before. 

I should also point out that the park has been open for use for almost 3 months now.  Prior to its first opening, there were 'keep out'  and 'danger' signs posted, but once they came down and the parking lot was unlocked, people - correctly or incorrectly - assumed it was open for our use. 

Until yesterday, that is.

Apparently, he was upset that he owns all this land and he can't keep people off it because they don't respect his signs.  He specifically referenced a bike path that isn't a bike path at all that people think is open for their use.  He then showed me a newly-constructed gate and fence to block off that area and said the tire swing in the big oak was now gone, too.  We had just been up there on Tuesday, so I now he spent some serious cash to get that crap built so fast.

Where I'm from down South, all the big landowners were cool as hell.  Why?  Because they had more land than they could possibly keep an eye on...it took the good folks of the community to help protect their property from vandals, dumpers, etc. 

I know it's his property and all, but c'mon now - what kind of asshole takes down a tire swing??   

Thanks for allowing me to vent. 

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« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2008, 07:36:09 AM »
maybe it was because you are colored?

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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2008, 07:45:53 AM »
maybe it was because you are colored?

The White folks in the South treated me better when I was growing up in the 80s. 

I resented his use of the word 'pal'...not because of the word itself, but because of the condescending tone he used. 

"We're going to start enforcing the 'no trespassing' now and people are going to be cited if they get caught."

Yeah, whatever.  We live in a very rural part of town.  It's doubtful that anyone will be 'caught' using trails that they feel they've paid for.  (there is a fairly extensive paved trail system in the community, but the guy was trying to claim that one of the trail heads and a section of pathway belongs to him until he decides to open it)

Lots of bitch-level drama, I know, but like I said, this bastard is in my head and I'm just not used to that.

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« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2008, 07:50:04 AM »
He should do fun things to make the land more dangerous.  Sprinkle tacks, perhaps start a bee farm.  he shuold check with his lawyer, see what signs are required to booby-trap the place.  Something like "Warning; Bee Farm/ Sprinkled tacks Ahead".


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« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2008, 07:53:08 AM »

his lawyer probably told him to act before someone else got rights in his property. if someone installed a tire swing on my property, i'd be taking that shit down quicker than you could say "240 is back"

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« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2008, 08:07:43 AM »
it seems simple to me


stay off his fucking land!!!!

poor bastard has trashy people who think they own everything disrespecting his land--------seems like most people (including you) would do the same thing as him if faced with a similar situation and owned the land as he does.

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« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2008, 08:36:09 AM »

I'm really big on the rights of landowners to do pretty much whatever they want with their property.   

I don't have the full story, but I suspect he has only recently acquired the land in question.  It's my own damn fault for moving into a 'master planned community' in the first place.  If I'd been paying attention, I would've seen that it really said 'massuh' not 'master'. 

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« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2008, 09:05:10 AM »
I'm really big on the rights of landowners to do pretty much whatever they want with their property.   

I don't have the full story, but I suspect he has only recently acquired the land in question.  It's my own damn fault for moving into a 'master planned community' in the first place.  If I'd been paying attention, I would've seen that it really said 'massuh' not 'master'. 

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« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2008, 09:06:10 AM »
how is it private property but its a neighborhood park? is it not finished being built yet? at any rate he shouldnt have been giving you any attitude its an honest mistake, fvck wads like that piss me off

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« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2008, 09:14:07 AM »
the guy is a dick.....

but i dont blame him


this day in age....someone would go on his property, hurt themself, sue him & win.


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« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2008, 09:33:27 AM »
Yep! Knny's absolutely correct. Lawyers would love to see a kid fall off that swing and start a lawsuit.

That's the way things work these days.

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« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2008, 09:37:51 AM »
Yep! Knny's absolutely correct. Lawyers would love to see a kid fall off that swing and start a lawsuit.

That's the way things work these days.

It's kind of sad because when I was a kid....I would fall or drop my motorcycle on someone's property...I would just go home & clean up.

Now everyone wants to make the property owner liable because they didn't put up a fence to prevent someone going on their property so they could have avoided the accident.  When did people stop taking responsibilities for their own actions?

Does that make sense?

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« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2008, 06:34:48 PM »

Yeah, you guys are right. 

If I'd broken the law, he might've been liable for any injury I suffered.  He just wanted to be a dick, but I didn't even think about the potential liability. 

Even though this bastard got to me, I still wonder one thing - how was the park built on the property in the first place while an individual still owned it?  Doesn't the community or city generally have to purchase the land before being able to build on it? 

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« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2008, 06:43:39 AM »
RARELY does anyone other than Killary Clinton get into my head, but I was going to my neighborhood park yesterday when some middle-aged guy approached me and asked me what I thought I was doing. 

Surprised and a little bit confused, I told him I was going to the park.  He replies, "Until the park is open, this is private property, pal." and then added something like "Who do you think owns all this land?" to which I replied, "As far as I know, this is part of the 'green space' (it's a California thing) that all the homeowners are responsible for."

"Well, it's not - it's private." 

Now, in his defense, I was about to cross the yellow Caution tape on the sidewalk, but in all fairness to me, I had simply assumed that they'd decided to do some more work on the parking lot as they had once before. 

I should also point out that the park has been open for use for almost 3 months now.  Prior to its first opening, there were 'keep out'  and 'danger' signs posted, but once they came down and the parking lot was unlocked, people - correctly or incorrectly - assumed it was open for our use. 

Until yesterday, that is.

Apparently, he was upset that he owns all this land and he can't keep people off it because they don't respect his signs.  He specifically referenced a bike path that isn't a bike path at all that people think is open for their use.  He then showed me a newly-constructed gate and fence to block off that area and said the tire swing in the big oak was now gone, too.  We had just been up there on Tuesday, so I now he spent some serious cash to get that crap built so fast.

Where I'm from down South, all the big landowners were cool as hell.  Why?  Because they had more land than they could possibly keep an eye on...it took the good folks of the community to help protect their property from vandals, dumpers, etc. 

I know it's his property and all, but c'mon now - what kind of asshole takes down a tire swing??   

Thanks for allowing me to vent. 
it's a matter of property rights, pure and simple.  find another spot   :)