Iran Begins Installing More Centrifuges

[Mars]

People in general have a hard time putting themselves in other peoples shoes. They don't study and learn about other cultures from many different sources of information or actual travelling. Most individuals allow corprate media to formulate their opinions for them and they just go with it.

very true, i actually do that all the time.

[24KT]

Just out of curiousity.. do you think radical Islam is devestating the rest of the world?

My guess is you'll blame the USA for that too.

I believe radicalism and extremism is not a good thing, ...wherever radicalism or extremism is to be found.

I do believe the USA bears some responsibility in the growth of islamic extremism. Theirs was a dying self-distintegrating and unsustainable model on the verge of extinction until Uncle Sam came along with billions of dollars and multiple weapons spurring new life into the movement, ...then and NOW.

[Brixtonbulldog]

I believe radicalism and extremism is not a good thing, ...wherever radicalism or extremism is to be found.

I do believe the USA bears some responsibility in the growth of islamic extremism. Theirs was a dying self-distintegrating and unsustainable model on the verge of extinction until Uncle Sam came along with billions of dollars and multiple weapons spurring new life into the movement, ...then and NOW.

What a cop out..

IF the US bears responsibility for any aspect of radical Islam it would be relatively recent and largely overshadowed by what radical Islam has been doing to the world for the last 30 years.  Where is your disgust with thier behaviour since the late 70's?  I get it.. you just want one more reason to bash the US.

[Mars]

What a cop out..

IF the US bears responsibility for any aspect of radical Islam it would be relatively recent and largely overshadowed by what radical Islam has been doing to the world for the last 30 years.  Where is your disgust with thier behaviour since the late 70's?  I get it.. you just want one more reason to bash the US.

not for any aspect no but it did increased dramaticly since bush started to interfer in places where he had no business in.

[Brixtonbulldog]

not for any aspect no but it did increased dramaticly since bush started to interfer in places where he had no business in.

Thanks for proving my point.

[Bindare_Dundat]

What a cop out..

IF the US bears responsibility for any aspect of radical Islam it would be relatively recent and largely overshadowed by what radical Islam has been doing to the world for the last 30 years.  Where is your disgust with thier behaviour since the late 70's?  I get it.. you just want one more reason to bash the US.

The Shah of Iran flees into exile 1979. America's influence and manipulation in the East have been happening for a looong time.

[Mars]

The Shah of Iran flees into exile 1979. America's influence and manipulation in the East have been happening for a looong time.

exactly.

[Brixtonbulldog]

The Shah of Iran flees into exile 1979. America's influence and manipulation in the East have been happening for a looong time.

Yet another cop out... let's blame the US instead of holding actual accountability for the perpatrators of this:

4 September 1972 - Munich Olympic Massacre.
18 April 1983 - April 1983 U.S. Embassy bombing in Beirut, Lebanon. 63 killed.
26 February 1993 - World Trade Center bombing, New York City. 6 killed.
13 March 1993 - 1993 Bombay bombings. Mumbai, India. The single-day attacks resulted in over 250 civilian fatalities and 700 injuries.
24 December 1994 - Air France Flight 8969 hijacking in Algiers by 3 members of Armed Islamic Group and another terrorist. 7 killed including 4 hijackers.
25 June 1996 - Khobar Towers bombing, 20 killed, 372 wounded.
14 February 1998. The 1998 Coimbatore bombings occurred in the city of Coimbatore, Tamil Nadu, India. 46 people were killed and over 200 were injured in 13 bomb attacks within a 12km radius.
7 August 1998 - 1998 United States embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya. 224 dead. 4000+ injured.
12 October 2000 - USS Cole bombing, 56 killed
11 September 2001 - September 11, 2001 attacks 4 planes hijacked and crashed into World Trade Center and The Pentagon by 19 hijackers. Nearly 3000 dead.[116]
13 December 2001 - Suicide attack on India's parliament in New Delhi. Aimed at eliminating the top leadership of India and causing anarchy in the country. Allegedly done by Pakistan-based Islamist terrorist organizations, Jaish-E-Mohammad and Lashkar-e-Toiba.
3 March 2002 - Suicide bomb attack on a Passover Seder in a Hotel in Netanya, Israel. 29 dead, 133 injured
9 March 2002 - Café suicide bombing in Jerusalem; 11 killed, 54 injured.
7 May 2002 - Bombing in al-Arbaa, Algeria. 49 dead, 117 injured.
24 September 2002 - Machine Gun attack on Hindu temple in Ahmedabad, India. 31 dead, 86 injured.[117][118]
12 October 2002 - Bombing in Bali nightclub. 202 killed, 300 injured.[119]
16 May 2004 - Casablanca Attacks - 4 simultaneous attacks in Casablanca killing 33 civilians (mostly Moroccans) carried by Salafaia Jihadia.
11 March 2004 - Multiple bombings on trains near Madrid, Spain. 191 killed, 1460 injured. (alleged link to Al-Qaeda)
3 September 2004 Approximately 344 civilians including 186 children, are killed during the Beslan school hostage crisis.[120][121]
2 November 2004 - Ritual murder of Theo van Gogh (film director) by Amsterdam-born jihadist Mohammed Bouyeri.
4 February 2005 - Muslim militants attacked the Christian community in Demsa, Nigeria, killing 36 people, destroying property and displacing an additional 3000 people.
7 July 2005 - Multiple bombings in London Underground. 53 killed by four suicide bombers. Nearly 700 injured.
23 July 2005 - Bomb attacks at Sharm el-Sheikh, an Egyptian resort city, at least 64 people killed.
29 October 2005 - 29 October 2005 Delhi bombings. Over 60 killed and over 180 injured in a series of three attacks in crowded markets and a bus, just 2 days before the Diwali festival.[122]
9 November 2005 - 2005 Amman bombings. Over 60 killed and 115 injured, in a series of coordinated suicide attacks on hotels in Amman, Jordan.[123][124] Four attackers including a husband and wife team were involved.[125]
7 March 2006 - 2006 Varanasi bombings. An attack attributed to Lashkar-e-Toiba by Uttar Pradesh government officials, over 28 killed and over 100 injured, in a series of attacks in the Sankath Mochan Hanuman temple and Cantonment Railway Station in the Hindu holy city of Varanasi.[126] Uttar Pradesh government officials.
11 July 2006. Mumbai, India. 11 July 2006 Mumbai train bombings were a series of seven bomb blasts that took place over a period of 11 minutes on the Suburban Railway in Mumbai (formerly known as Bombay). 209 people lost their lives and over 700 were injured in the attacks.

[Bindare_Dundat]

Yet another cop out... let's blame the US instead of holding actual accountability for the perpatrators of this:

4 September 1972 - Munich Olympic Massacre.
18 April 1983 - April 1983 U.S. Embassy bombing in Beirut, Lebanon. 63 killed.
26 February 1993 - World Trade Center bombing, New York City. 6 killed.
13 March 1993 - 1993 Bombay bombings. Mumbai, India. The single-day attacks resulted in over 250 civilian fatalities and 700 injuries.
24 December 1994 - Air France Flight 8969 hijacking in Algiers by 3 members of Armed Islamic Group and another terrorist. 7 killed including 4 hijackers.
25 June 1996 - Khobar Towers bombing, 20 killed, 372 wounded.
14 February 1998. The 1998 Coimbatore bombings occurred in the city of Coimbatore, Tamil Nadu, India. 46 people were killed and over 200 were injured in 13 bomb attacks within a 12km radius.
7 August 1998 - 1998 United States embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya. 224 dead. 4000+ injured.
12 October 2000 - USS Cole bombing, 56 killed
11 September 2001 - September 11, 2001 attacks 4 planes hijacked and crashed into World Trade Center and The Pentagon by 19 hijackers. Nearly 3000 dead.[116]
13 December 2001 - Suicide attack on India's parliament in New Delhi. Aimed at eliminating the top leadership of India and causing anarchy in the country. Allegedly done by Pakistan-based Islamist terrorist organizations, Jaish-E-Mohammad and Lashkar-e-Toiba.
3 March 2002 - Suicide bomb attack on a Passover Seder in a Hotel in Netanya, Israel. 29 dead, 133 injured
9 March 2002 - Café suicide bombing in Jerusalem; 11 killed, 54 injured.
7 May 2002 - Bombing in al-Arbaa, Algeria. 49 dead, 117 injured.
24 September 2002 - Machine Gun attack on Hindu temple in Ahmedabad, India. 31 dead, 86 injured.[117][118]
12 October 2002 - Bombing in Bali nightclub. 202 killed, 300 injured.[119]
16 May 2004 - Casablanca Attacks - 4 simultaneous attacks in Casablanca killing 33 civilians (mostly Moroccans) carried by Salafaia Jihadia.
11 March 2004 - Multiple bombings on trains near Madrid, Spain. 191 killed, 1460 injured. (alleged link to Al-Qaeda)
3 September 2004 Approximately 344 civilians including 186 children, are killed during the Beslan school hostage crisis.[120][121]
2 November 2004 - Ritual murder of Theo van Gogh (film director) by Amsterdam-born jihadist Mohammed Bouyeri.
4 February 2005 - Muslim militants attacked the Christian community in Demsa, Nigeria, killing 36 people, destroying property and displacing an additional 3000 people.
7 July 2005 - Multiple bombings in London Underground. 53 killed by four suicide bombers. Nearly 700 injured.
23 July 2005 - Bomb attacks at Sharm el-Sheikh, an Egyptian resort city, at least 64 people killed.
29 October 2005 - 29 October 2005 Delhi bombings. Over 60 killed and over 180 injured in a series of three attacks in crowded markets and a bus, just 2 days before the Diwali festival.[122]
9 November 2005 - 2005 Amman bombings. Over 60 killed and 115 injured, in a series of coordinated suicide attacks on hotels in Amman, Jordan.[123][124] Four attackers including a husband and wife team were involved.[125]
7 March 2006 - 2006 Varanasi bombings. An attack attributed to Lashkar-e-Toiba by Uttar Pradesh government officials, over 28 killed and over 100 injured, in a series of attacks in the Sankath Mochan Hanuman temple and Cantonment Railway Station in the Hindu holy city of Varanasi.[126] Uttar Pradesh government officials.
11 July 2006. Mumbai, India. 11 July 2006 Mumbai train bombings were a series of seven bomb blasts that took place over a period of 11 minutes on the Suburban Railway in Mumbai (formerly known as Bombay). 209 people lost their lives and over 700 were injured in the attacks.

It would be nice to get into a healthy debate with you but you'll just jump from one thing to the next without a rebuttal that sticks to the actual discussion. You said  "it (America's responsilbilty) would be relatively recent and largely overshadowed by what radical Islam has been doing to the world for the last 30 years", and I supplied you with ONE example of American intervention  that resulted in "blowback" from 30 years ago. Do you want me to post another example that's even older?  You went on to list a whole bunch gobbly goop that's suppose to say what exactly?

[War-Horse]

What a cop out..

IF the US bears responsibility for any aspect of radical Islam it would be relatively recent and largely overshadowed by what radical Islam has been doing to the world for the last 30 years.  Where is your disgust with thier behaviour since the late 70's?  I get it.. you just want one more reason to bash the US.

Attn:  Brittneydung.    The US gets alot done thru Israel to stir shit up for decades.     FYI....I lean to Israels side more than lebanons.....

[Brixtonbulldog]

It would be nice to get into a healthy debate with you but you'll just jump from one thing to the next without a rebuttal that sticks to the actual discussion. You said  "it (America's responsilbilty) would be relatively recent and largely overshadowed by what radical Islam has been doing to the world for the last 30 years", and I supplied you with ONE example of American intervention  that resulted in "blowback" from 30 years ago. Do you want me to post another example that's even older?  You went on to list a whole bunch gobbly goop that's suppose to say what exactly?

All I want is a small admittance that America might have supplied some contributing factors here and there but that the problem itself lies with the radical Islamic movement.  Everyone needs to stop trying to qualify everything and nitpick and bitch about the smallest things the US might or might not have done and focus on the actual CAUSE of the problems themselves.

[Hugo Chavez]

Ok, in prep of my response, I would like to just get a few facts. 

1. Under what circumstances do they cut off hands?

2.  What suicide bombers have been connected with Iran's leadership?

3.  What government sanctioned rapings of 13 year olds have occured?

ozmo

[SAMSON123]

I do,  unfortunately those guys consider it righteous to wipe Israel off the map.

However, it's inevitable that we will see a nuclear Power in Iran

I SAY IT IS RIGHTEOUS TO WIPE EVERY ISRAELI OFF THE MAP...OFF THE PLANET..

[Nordic Superman]

I SAY IT IS RIGHTEOUS TO WIPE EVERY ISRAELI OFF THE MAP...OFF THE PLANET..

Hi moslem,

Was it true that aisha was a cheap whore offering to suck of any man who gave her a lollipop and a childs' doll?

[Mars]

I SAY IT IS RIGHTEOUS TO WIPE EVERY ISRAELI OFF THE MAP...OFF THE PLANET..

well not every israeli agrees with the policies purpetrated on the palestinians, but the pro Israel lobby in the US is so effective that these voices are muted and jewish groups who are pro peace and 2 state solutions are disbanded because of threats by organisations like Aipac etc and referred to as self hating jews.
Im against generalising people, its already happening here on this board alot with muslims.

[Brixtonbulldog]

well not every israeli agrees with the policies purpetrated on the palestinians, but the pro Israel lobby in the US is so effective that these voices are muted and jewish groups who are pro peace and 2 state solutions are disbanded because of threats by organisations like Aipac etc and referred to as self hating jews.
Im against generalising people, its already happening here on this board alot with muslims.

If the palestinians are given a state it will be proof that terrorism works and is an ok form of negotiation.

[Brixtonbulldog]

I SAY IT IS RIGHTEOUS TO WIPE EVERY ISRAELI OFF THE MAP...OFF THE PLANET..

worst gimmick ever..

[Fury]

well not every israeli agrees with the policies purpetrated on the palestinians, but the pro Israel lobby in the US is so effective that these voices are muted and jewish groups who are pro peace and 2 state solutions are disbanded because of threats by organisations like Aipac etc and referred to as self hating jews.
Im against generalising people, its already happening here on this board alot with muslims.

You generalize daily on here, and it's only after you get called out for the pro-terrorism Muslim haji that you are that you change face and try to back pedal your way out of it, Abdul.

[Mars]

If the palestinians are given a state it will be proof that terrorism works and is an ok form of negotiation.

the zionist movement also started with terrorism to enforce a state of Israel on the soil the palestinian people so whats your point.

[Fury]

the zionist movement also started with terrorism to enforce a state of Israel on the soil the palestinian people so whats your point.

Here we go, spewing more bullshit. For all the pro-terrorism bullshit you spew, you sure don't seem to be advocating of it when anyone but Muslims do it.

Why are you so ashamed to admit that you're a haji? I mean, deny it all you want but it's only a matter of time before the Netherlands sends you packing.

[Brixtonbulldog]

the zionist movement also started with terrorism to enforce a state of Israel on the soil the palestinian people so whats your point.

Show me

[Nordic Superman]

So, Britain along with other world powers giving British soil to the Jews to for a state post-WW2 was an act of terrorism?

Ha ha, epic lack of historical knowledge.

[Fury]

So, Britain along with other world powers giving British soil to the Jews to for a state post-WW2 was an act of terrorism?

Ha ha, epic lack of historical knowledge.

He speaks like a Muslim. He justifies everything they do by making up fabrications with no factual backing to make it look like he knows what he's talking about.

It's pretty pathetic to say the least, albeit hilariously funny because he sounds like 99% of the terrorists/extremists. No facts, just bullshit.

[Mars]

Show me

"As former Prime Minister Barak once admitted had he born a palestinian, he "would have joined a terrorist organization" If the situation were reversed and the Israelis were under Arab occupation, they would almost certainly be using simular tactics against their oppressors, just as other resistance movements around the world have done.
Indeed, terrorism was one of the key tactics that the Zionists used when they were in a similarly weak position and trying to obtain their own state. It was Jewish terrorists from the infamous Irgun, a militant Zionist group, who in late 1937 introduced into Palestine the now-familiar practise of placing bombs in buses and large crowds. Benny Morris speculates that "the Arabs may well have learned the value of terrorist bombings from the Jews."
Between 1944 and 1947, several Zionist organizations used terrorist attacks to drive the British from Palestine and took the lives of many innocent civilians along the way.
Israeli terrorists also murdered the UN mediator Count Folke Bernadotte in 1948, because they opposed his proposal to internationalize Jerusalem.
Another terrorist leader, who approved of Bernadotte's murder but was not tried, was future Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir. He openly argued that "neither Jewish ethics nor Jewish tradition can disqualify terrorism as a means of combat." Rather, terrorism had "a great part to play... in our war against the occupier [Britain]."

Source: The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy.

[Brixtonbulldog]

"As former Prime Minister Barak once admitted had he born a palestinian, he "would have joined a terrorist organization" If the situation were reversed and the Israelis were under Arab occupation, they would almost certainly be using simular tactics against their oppressors, just as other resistance movements around the world have done.
Indeed, terrorism was one of the key tactics that the Zionists used when they were in a similarly weak position and trying to obtain their own state. It was Jewish terrorists from the infamous Irgun, a militant Zionist group, who in late 1937 introduced into Palestine the now-familiar practise of placing bombs in buses and large crowds. Benny Morris speculates that "the Arabs may well have learned the value of terrorist bombings from the Jews."
Between 1944 and 1947, several Zionist organizations used terrorist attacks to drive the British from Palestine and took the lives of many innocent civilians along the way.
Israeli terrorists also murdered the UN mediator Count Folke Bernadotte in 1948, because they opposed his proposal to internationalize Jerusalem.
Another terrorist leader, who approved of Bernadotte's murder but was not tried, was future Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir. He openly argued that "neither Jewish ethics nor Jewish tradition can disqualify terrorism as a means of combat." Rather, terrorism had "a great part to play... in our war against the occupier [Britain]."

Source: The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy.

Benny Morris huh?  Noam Chomsky too?  Oh brother..  Similarly, assassinating prominent political targets is a tactic employed by both sides.  Although in modern times it's pretty obvious which side chooses murder over negotiation.  Consistently detonating high explosives in random crowds of women and children however is not a tactic of the Israeli state. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_organisations

Every culture has had terrorist organizations. 

Unfortunately only one culture has overwhelmingly sponsored terrorism the world over, esp in Israel.