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« Reply #350 on: October 17, 2008, 07:29:49 PM »

(paraphrased) from WillGrant:

Why do homos turn around and accuse guys like me of being gay when we tell you how sick, depraved, and disgusting you are?


Because time and time again it has been proven that the ‘straight’ guys who get so upset and abusive about homosexuality are themselves repressed gays.  Real straight men, who are secure in their sexual identity, do not care about gay guys or what we are doing; we are not on their radar screens.

When a guy like you who is interested in heavily oiled up men who pose to music while wearing a thong for audiences of cheering men visits gay threads again and again to tell us how “sick” and “disgusting” we are, you sound an awful lot like Ted Haggard and Larry Craig.  http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=104613.0   In fact, your anti-gay rhetoric reminds me of a little piece of gay history from more than thirty years ago.

On the night of June 22, 1977 just three days before San Francisco’s Gay Pride Parade, 33 year old Robert Hillsborough, and his boyfriend Jerry Taylor were attacked by four knife-wilding young men just outside of Hillsborough’s home in the city’s Mission district.  In the midst of the attack the two victims made a run for it; although severely injured, Taylor managed to escape but two of the attackers, John Cordova and Mike Chavez cornered Hillsborough. Cordova fatally stabbed Robert fifteen times!  The motivation for the attack: bigotry.  It was a simple hate crime.

Cordova was later convicted of second-degree murder and sentenced to 10 years in prison.  Following his release from prison, John Cordova would go on to have other less serious run-ins with the law: burglary, theft, larceny, etc.  Imagine the community’s surprise when he was eventually arrested while dressed as a woman!  That’s right: many years after his hate crime, Cordova came out and was living as a transsexual!

I repeat: straight men do not pay attention to gay men; they are too busy cultivating relationships with women.  If you are “disgusted” by gay men and what we are doing, you need to look in the mirror and ask yourself why we are even on your mind.  Why, with so many alternatives, are you trolling around in gay threads again and again and again?  Huh



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« Reply #351 on: October 18, 2008, 12:37:38 AM »

Bay do you act like a steriotypical gay person? i mean with the feminine voice/accent and wearing makeup and stuff like that?
 
because imo these kind of people are what get people pissed off at gays because its really fucking annoying to have to see/hear them on television etc..

p.s even though you think everyone on the forum is bisexual or whatever, ime not simply because the thought of putting my dick in somone's ass(man or woman) is not appealing to me.
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« Reply #352 on: October 18, 2008, 08:21:59 AM »

Bay do you act like a steriotypical gay person? i mean with the feminine voice/accent and wearing makeup and stuff like that?
 
because imo these kind of people are what get people pissed off at gays because its really fucking annoying to have to see/hear them on television etc..

p.s even though you think everyone on the forum is bisexual or whatever, ime not simply because the thought of putting my dick in somone's ass(man or woman) is not appealing to me.

Whether I do or do not act like a stereotypical gay person (or black person, for that matter) is irrelevant.  What is relevant is that we live in a pluralistic society and you need to learn to deal with that because it is not going to change.  The years ahead will produce greater diversity--not less.

If you prefer to be in an environment where everyone looks, acts, and thinks the same way there are plenty of other places you may prefer to live.  On the other hand, those very countries might not welcome you because you do not look exactly like their citizens nor do you cling to the exact same orthodoxy they do.  Ironic isn’t it?  You apparently disdain diversity, yet elsewhere you would be excluded and un-welcomed by the very values you appear to cherish.

No. I do not act like a stereotypical gay person, but I do not believe there is anything wrong with people who do.  Nor do I think I should hold a better place in society than someone who has a “feminine voice/accent and wearing makeup and stuff like that.”

Let me repeat something I have said previously:

...the ‘straight’ guys who get so upset and abusive about homosexuality are themselves repressed gays.  Real straight men, who are secure in their sexual identity, do not care about gay guys or what we are doing; we are not on their radar screens...

I repeat: straight men do not pay attention to gay men; they are too busy cultivating relationships with women.  If you are “disgusted” by gay men and what we are doing, you need to look in the mirror and ask yourself why we are even on your mind.  Why, with so many alternatives, are you trolling around in gay threads again and again and again?  Huh

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« Reply #353 on: October 18, 2008, 01:57:57 PM »

Bay do you act like a steriotypical gay person? i mean with the feminine voice/accent and wearing makeup and stuff like that?
 
because imo these kind of people are what get people pissed off at gays because its really fucking annoying to have to see/hear them on television etc..

p.s even though you think everyone on the forum is bisexual or whatever, ime not simply because the thought of putting my dick in somone's ass(man or woman) is not appealing to me.

i don't know why any TRUE straight guy would be pissed at the gays, it's not like they are stealing the women

and i agree fucking the human garbage dump (man or woman) is disgusting

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« Reply #354 on: October 28, 2008, 07:03:50 PM »

(paraphrased) from my mailbag:

Why won’t you out pros that escort… especially if they are gay?



With very rare exceptions, I think everyone is entitled to come out in his own way and in his own time.  I do not believe it is my place (or anyone else’s) to decide when that should be for someone else.  Doing so is the height of arrogance.

By definition outing someone is a hostile act.  I am not by nature a hostile person. 

Outing someone can have many unintended consequences and cause a great deal of injury to someone’s personal and professional life.  Why would I want to hurt someone like that?  Most closeted guys have family members that may not know they are gay.  Outing someone risks hurting these family members as well.  Again, why would I (or anyone) want to do that?  I remember the difficult journey that is coming out.  For many people it is a very emotional and difficult trip and not everyone survives it.

Outing someone for personal amusement or simply to satisfy the curiosity of someone on a message board is not my style.

Guys like Ted Haggard and Larry Craig represent exceptions for obvious reasons.  Similarly, if a guy has a publicly accessible advertisement announcing his services as an escort (on rentboy.com for example) I do not consider it outing him to direct people to the link.  If he were in the closet, he would not have such an ad available.

But outing a competing pro?  No. I won’t do that.  On the other hand, if the guy has already been outed by someone else, I don’t mind talking about it.

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« Reply #355 on: December 21, 2008, 02:08:14 PM »

Hey Bay, if you were around when steroids never existed would you never have got fully satisfied?


As a schmoe yourself, you can answer that question as readily as I can. Wink

Guys who are huge and in shape get attention from schmoes.  That was true before steroids came along, and it is true now that steroids are the norm.  “Huge” of course is relative, but the huge guys of the past (who are small by today’s standards) were still huge for their time and hence were at the top of the food chain for muscle fans back then.

To be sure, appetites often evolve as standards evolve so your point is well taken: the big guys from the pre steroid days just aren’t that interesting if you grew up with today’s standards. But if you lived in the pre-steroid days your standards for what is "huge" would be entirely different.

By the way, I am not exclusively interested in huge bodybuilders.  I have dated and been content with plenty of guys who are of average size/shape.


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« Reply #356 on: December 21, 2008, 07:45:52 PM »

That’s just who they are and who they are comfortable being.  You are comfortable in your speech and mannerism, they are comfortable in theirs.  But if you actually took a look in the whole gay community, they come in all sorts of different types.  Like I have gay friends who are bodybuilders, skateboarders, rock musicians, designers, sports fanatics, avid outdoorsmen, and fat slobs.    Usually, media likes the funny, flamboyant gay guys on their show because they are funny and flamboyant – which is good for ratings.  But it’s a shame because you don’t get to see the broad spectrum.

I disagree with that.   My wifes cousin  is gay.  When he came out of the closet, he came out like a ball of fire.  The lisp was the worst part to me.  One day he talks normal like the guy he  was, I see him 2 weeks later and you can barely understand him the lisp was so bad.    Through the next ten years he went back and forth.  Some times he had a speach impediment, other times he didn't.  I like the guy, he's a decent person and his current boyfriend is a decent person, but frankly it was annoying as hell.  Only after 10 years did he drop the lisp and start talking like he used to.   The whole bit was totally an act to fit the "gay" stereotype.  And quite frankly, I think it was done completely to get attention and only to get attention.  It had nothing to do with how he was or how comfortable he was with himself.   
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« Reply #357 on: April 20, 2009, 12:47:01 PM »

This is one of the great advantages of homosexuality - the guilt free sex

Also, doubling your wardrobe.

This is a myth.  I don’t know anyone who thinks of this as a particular advantage to homosexuality.  For one thing, I don’t want anyone else wearing my clothes, and I don’t want to wear anyone else’s clothes—not even my lover's.  Two, not one of the guys I was seriously with over the last 15 years has been the same size as me; I was always bigger or smaller so our wardrobes were never interchangeable.

Straight guys seem to entertain a lot of myths and fantasies about what gay life is like and this notion of “doubling your wardrobe” appears to be one of them.  Roll Eyes

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« Reply #358 on: January 13, 2010, 11:19:53 AM »

I have always wondered what Homo's are thinking about while they are showering with straight guys?? Is it like Bay won the lotto or what??  Cheesy Grin

In psychology I believe they call this “projection.”  Roll Eyes

I will give you credit for having an active imagination but not much else.  It is silly—not to mention presumptuous—to think that a gay guy is going to be “looking” at you in the shower.  

I am openly gay so if I want to look at male bodies I can walk into my local porn shop and buy lots of adult material, or I can go to my local sex club or bath house and “look” as much as I want, or I can go beyond looking and have all the sex I want with lots of willing participants.  I do not have to settle for leering at anonymous men in the locker room 99% of whom I would not find the least bit attractive.

The guys who will be “looking” in the locker room are not gay; they are closet bi-curious men who want to, but don’t often have the chance to, see naked men.  Neither would they feel comfortable in a gay venue.  These are the sorts of men who have to settle for the titillation of stolen glances in a locker room shower or watching BB videos and attending shows.  Undecided
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« Reply #359 on: January 13, 2010, 11:51:09 AM »

subscribing for the gay updates and comings out.
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« Reply #360 on: September 19, 2010, 10:41:39 PM »

from my mailbag:
Bay, what do you think… was Michael Jackson gay?  Speak on this.


Yes. I believe Michael was gay, but I don’t think this is a newsflash so I’m not sure where your question is coming from.  Didn’t most people assume he was gay?

Unfortunately, Michael was trapped by his success and probably didn’t think he could ever be open about his sexuality.  Certainly, he would have lost a huge slice of his audience had he come out as gay in the Off the Wall, Thriller, or Bad years.  Clearly, his family would have been disapproving as well. MJ was obviously under a lot of pressure not to be gay.  I think most people (gay or straight) recognized MJ as gay but, as with many such figures, as long as he didn’t talk about it or acknowledge it publicly there was a tacit agreement with his fans that it would effectively be ignored.  Remember, there was a time when many young fans (not to mention other musicians) imitated Michael in one form or another (clothes, hair style, dance, etc.).  There were even professional MJ imitators in the 1980s.  Not many fans would have been comfortable imitating him had MJ come out as gay.  

Many homosexual (black) men recognized MJ as gay and celebrated him for being the biggest (singing) star in the world.  He was an example of what we are all capable of!  But we also recognized that the world he operated in, the world of the 70s, 80s, and 90s would never fully embrace his artistry if he were openly gay.  This is true for many high profile (historical) figures.  Leonardo daVinci, Sir Isaac Newton, William  Shakespeare, George Washington Carver are all examples.  In our own time Merv Griffin is another.  Each of these men were giants of their time, but their sexualities while “known” were almost never acknowledged in public and their careers would have been severely compromised had they lived openly gay lives.

MJ’s closeted nature is complicated by race.   If I asked you to name three out gay white men off the top of your head most people could do that.  If I asked you to name three out white lesbians most people could do that too.  But if I asked you to name three out gay black men (aside from RuPaul) you probably couldn’t do it as easily—or at all.  The same is true for out black lesbians.  The point is there are not many out gay black men who lead successful public lives.  The black community is not accepting of our out gay members—even brilliantly talented or successful ones.  That is not to say white America IS so very accepting, but black America is far behind in this regard.  Having come from the black community MJ got the message loud and clear from all quarters (the media, the music industry executives, fans, the black community): do not come out.

Lisa Marie Presley reported that she had sex with MJ regularly when they were married and that the sex was good. Many people were surprised when she said this but I wasn’t.  I believe her.  MJ would not be the first gay (or bi) man to perform with a woman in bed or even live a married life for years with a woman.  That does not change my opinion of MJ’s sexuality.

I have said in previous threads that from fish to birds, to land mammals, to the smallest insects, every animal in nature can recognize its own kind.  As a GBM, I can say with certainty that MJ was gay.

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« Reply #361 on: September 19, 2010, 11:53:43 PM »

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« Reply #362 on: September 20, 2010, 08:16:31 AM »

Bay - why do guys who decide to be gay talk with that lisp or squeeky gay voice, and pull those gay facial expressions and hand movements. Is that really necessary>
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« Reply #363 on: September 20, 2010, 08:33:51 AM »

Bay - why do guys who decide to be gay talk with that lisp or squeeky gay voice, and pull those gay facial expressions and hand movements. Is that really necessary>
 

Read the thread, it's been addressed.  For the record, I don't know any guys who "decided to be gay" nor do I know any men who decided to be straight.  Come to think of it, I don't know many gay men who "talk with that lisp or squeeky gay voice, and pull those gay facial expressions and hand movements" either.  I'm not saying those men don't exist, but I don't see them in the circles I routinely travel in.  More often than not I see those men on TV and in film--not in real life.
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« Reply #364 on: September 20, 2010, 08:48:24 AM »

I don't know many gay men who "talk with that lisp or squeeky gay voice, and pull those gay facial expressions and hand movements."

go to the local hairdresser, 9 chances out of 10 you will see what he means
the clown tight jeans, the make-up, the mascara, the fashion hair, the glitter, the armbands, the rolled up shirts, the way they stand, all those things

its not 'natural' for gay guy to want to act like a female, notice the double irony
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« Reply #365 on: September 20, 2010, 08:57:56 AM »

go to the local hairdresser, 9 chances out of 10 you will see what he means
the clown tight jeans, the make-up, the mascara, the fashion hair, the glitter, the armbands, the rolled up shirts, the way they stand, all those things

its not 'natural' for gay guy to want to act like a female, notice the double irony

Exactly - the lisp voice, and other gayish behaviours - clothes, hand gestures, overtly fag comments, gay facial expressions (kind of like a guy that has a bad cold who has just licked something sour). Make-up. Gay handbags. These are all DELIBERATE - they are not innate. The people who do these DECIDE to act like that. They deliberately adopt the attributes of a gay sterotype (and then complain when people discriminate against them for it)! I have a gay couple living in my building, and both are exactly like that.

Bay - I don't think this issue has been properly addressed. A better explantion from you is needed.
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« Reply #366 on: September 20, 2010, 09:08:41 AM »

why would a gay guy be interested in a feminine man?
I have never seen a gay couple that were TWO fully grown mature and strong MEN.

its always two 'fags', or AT BEST and this is very rare nowadays, 1 fag and 1 man (more or less) - evidently this 'gay man' is just a more introvert fag hiding and trying not to be seen as fag because a genuine gay man wouldnt date a fag

bay, explain this ..as good as u can.. thanks Wink


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« Reply #367 on: September 20, 2010, 09:12:49 AM »

why would a gay guy be interested in a feminine man?


Exactly - Bay - if he wants a feminine man, why not just be normal and be with a woman?
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« Reply #368 on: September 20, 2010, 12:06:08 PM »

because he's normal for a gay guy; he wants the penis.
it would abnormal otherwise !
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« Reply #369 on: September 20, 2010, 12:20:59 PM »

so you're saying gays are attracted to men acting like females?
that the female act is 'normal' to the gay's perception, right?
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« Reply #370 on: September 20, 2010, 06:30:24 PM »

Exactly - the lisp voice, and other gayish behaviours - clothes, hand gestures, overtly fag comments, gay facial expressions (kind of like a guy that has a bad cold who has just licked something sour). Make-up. Gay handbags. These are all DELIBERATE - they are not innate. The people who do these DECIDE to act like that. They deliberately adopt the attributes of a gay sterotype (and then complain when people discriminate against them for it)! I have a gay couple living in my building, and both are exactly like that.

Bay - I don't think this issue has been properly addressed. A better explantion from you is needed.


It is funny to hear you describe those behaviors as gayish.  Many people think artificially pumping up your muscles and showing off your body to other men is gay.  Earrings, rings, manicures and a Louis Viutton manpurse make that a pretty compelling claim.  So who is acting more stereotypically gay?  The hairdressers at the salons you go to or Phil Heath?

As I said previously, the men in my social circle do not act in the ways you describe, but we live in a wide world with many different kinds of people.


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« Reply #371 on: September 21, 2010, 10:24:48 AM »

so you're saying gays are attracted to men acting like females?
that the female act is 'normal' to the gay's perception, right?
no. i'm not saying that.
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« Reply #372 on: September 21, 2010, 10:36:48 AM »

it seems everytime im asking a legitmate question all the gay guys in here dont answer
is there something to lose?
do you see this as a threat or something?
why cant u logically converse about this
Explain yourselves if you can.
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« Reply #373 on: September 21, 2010, 10:39:56 AM »

yum donuts...

Good thread Bay
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« Reply #374 on: September 21, 2010, 12:09:22 PM »

it seems everytime im asking a legitmate question all the gay guys in here dont answer
is there something to lose?
do you see this as a threat or something?
why cant u logically converse about this
Explain yourselves if you can.

this is a steroid site. that's what we converse about.
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