Does Obama favor an all-out ban on handguns?

[240 is Back]

According to ABC's Charlie Gibson, he signed a paper saying he did.
Obama denied it.

Watch the news in the next two days... whatever he signed, with his name on it, with the video of him denying ever signing it, will be all the rave, come Friday.


We all know CLinton feels this way, it's not disputed.  She's a gungrabber, plain and simple.

[w8tlftr]

Will that influence your vote?

[tonymctones]

it will influence a number of ppls votes

[240 is Back]

Fuck yes.  As many of you know, I'm a 1-issue voter.  2nd amendment.

I love all the talk about war, healthcare, economy.  I'm not thrilled with mccain spending his way into bankruptcy.

But...

If you want to take my guns, well, fuck off.

[w8tlftr]

Fuck yes.  As many of you know, I'm a 1-issue voter.  2nd amendment.

I love all the talk about war, healthcare, economy.  I'm not thrilled with mccain spending his way into bankruptcy.

But...

If you want to take my guns, well, fuck off.

That makes sense. IMO, take away the 2nd Amendment and taking away the rest becomes a whole lot easier.

[Hedgehog]

According to ABC's Charlie Gibson, he signed a paper saying he did.
Obama denied it.

Watch the news in the next two days... whatever he signed, with his name on it, with the video of him denying ever signing it, will be all the rave, come Friday.


We all know CLinton feels this way, it's not disputed.  She's a gungrabber, plain and simple.

 

Instead of building up drama about whether he's a signed a paper or not...

How about listening to his answers on whether he is in favor of an all-out ban or not?

If he says he is not, I guess he isn't?

[240 is Back]

Instead of building up drama about whether he's a signed a paper or not...

How about listening to his answers on whether he is in favor of an all-out ban or not?

If he says he is not, I guess he isn't?

Because in America, when a pro-gun state is up for grabs and the outcome is going to majorly affect the nomination, some politicians have been konwn to LIE.

[Hedgehog]

Because in America, when a pro-gun state is up for grabs and the outcome is going to majorly affect the nomination, some politicians have been konwn to LIE.

So...

It's all a conspiracy? He's gonna lie.. perhaps trying to conspiring, in order to take over the world?

His word won't count?

If he says he's not for an all-out ban, that won't mean jack shit, because someone claims he's signed a paper?

Despite him claiming he didn't?


Never mind what he said before.

Just look at what his CURRENT position is on guns.

Is he for an all-out ban or not?

That's really what is interesting.

The rest is just the same old thrashing of another candidate that I think is so useless.

Lets see what Hillary Clinton brings to the table instead.


BTW, I think it's only a matter of time before Clinton pulls out. It's a done deal for Obama IMO.

[240 is Back]

So...
It's all a conspiracy? He's gonna lie.. perhaps trying to conspiring, in order to take over the world?

Let me stop you there. 

Why play the CT card like that, Hedge?

It's simple - most politicians lie and pander.  Obama is no exception.  He and Clinton have been anti-gun in their own states when they needed to get elected, and they are pro-gun this week when they need to win in Pa, a pro-gun state.

His "CURRENT" position - what he says in Penn, 6 days before Penn makes or breaks him - is not indicative of his well-established position on guns.  Unless you believe his recent change is sincere.

Do you, hedge?

[headhuntersix]

He can try....he can really try. Who will enforce it. I have 5 handguns and a shotgun....the cops on my street are all gun nuts as well. The police captain and Police chief all live on either side of me. I'm sure other folks here have similar situations.

[Hedgehog]

Let me stop you there. 

Why play the CT card like that, Hedge?

It's simple - most politicians lie and pander.  Obama is no exception.  He and Clinton have been anti-gun in their own states when they needed to get elected, and they are pro-gun this week when they need to win in Pa, a pro-gun state.

His "CURRENT" position - what he says in Penn, 6 days before Penn makes or breaks him - is not indicative of his well-established position on guns.  Unless you believe his recent change is sincere.

Do you, hedge?

Here's the thing:

Obama will not lie about his position on guns.

He may dodge the issue, he may avoid the question, try to talk about other issues.

But he can not lie.

Because that is the golden rule of politics and rhetorics:

Don't.

Lie.

The second rule is:

Don't FCUKING Lie.

So if Obama claims that he is not for an all-out ban, then he isn't.

If he however is avoiding the issue, then you may want to be worried.

You can get away with almost anything, as long as you don't lie.

Here's a couple of links on his position on guns. No where have I found anything that indicates that he would be in favor of an all-out ban?

http://www.gunlawnews.org/Senators/Barack-Obama.html
http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm

[240 is Back]

Here's the thing:

Obama will not lie about his position on guns.

He may dodge the issue, he may avoid the question, try to talk about other issues.

But he can not lie.

Because that is the golden rule of politics and rhetorics:

Don't.

Lie.

The second rule is:

Don't FCUKING Lie.

So if Obama claims that he is not for an all-out ban, then he isn't.

If he however is avoiding the issue, then you may want to be worried.

You can get away with almost anything, as long as you don't lie.

Here's a couple of links on his position on guns. No where have I found anything that indicates that he would be in favor of an all-out ban?

http://www.gunlawnews.org/Senators/Barack-Obama.html
http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm

I'll let the paper ferrets pull out what he signed, i'm sure they're digging now.

Obama has lied, hedge.  I like him, and I think he'll do a good job.

But in the last year, he has fibbed.

[Decker]

No viable candidate would ever propose banning handguns.  I'd be very surprised if he signed a paper stating he supported a nationwide handgun ban.

[240 is Back]

No viable candidate would ever propose banning handguns.  I'd be very surprised if he signed a paper stating he supported a nationwide handgun ban.

Bill clinton remarked he'd ban all handguns if he could.

[Decker]

Bill clinton remarked he'd ban all handguns if he could.

Did he ever propose legislation to do that?  I don't think so.  It's political suicide.  Topics like these are red herrings circulated to bring down candidates.  But we see through that.

He did take action against assault rifles.  But assault rifles aren't handguns.

[Option D]

He can try....he can really try. Who will enforce it. I have 5 handguns and a shotgun....the cops on my street are all gun nuts as well. The police captain and Police chief all live on either side of me. I'm sure other folks here have similar situations.

dude he didnt say he will try

[headhuntersix]

Which means its a useless argument and a waste of time.  y concern is the pandering to the left ona dead issue. Much like his pandering to the left on the Iraq pullout issue. He said he'd begin drawing down in 90 days fully knowing he can't pull at all and his 30,000 man plan is ridiculous.  Its not the issue, as we've discussed it a billion times, its the fact that he knows he can't and won't do it.

[Hedgehog]

Bill clinton remarked he'd ban all handguns if he could.

What does Bill Clinton have to do with Barack Obama?

I thought this thread was a discussion about how certain people are trying to claim that Barack Obama wants an all-out ban for guns.

And Obama tries to claim that he doesn't want an all-out ban.

And not a thread about Bill Clinton?

[24KT]

What does Bill Clinton have to do with Barack Obama?

I thought this thread was a discussion about how certain people are trying to claim that Barack Obama wants an all-out ban for guns.

And Obama tries to claim that he doesn't want an all-out ban.

And not a thread about Bill Clinton?

{LOL} 240 is very sensitive about guns. He's not thinking straight.

if as he claimed Bill Clinton made the statement that he would ban all handguns, clearly such a thing wouldn't happen under Obama who states he's not in favour of it. Clinton supposedly was, but couldn't do it, why would someone assume someone who stated to not be in favour of it be able to pull it off. I don't see such a thing happening anytime soon (at least not under a Democratic gov), ...especially not in light of what's occurred over the past few years. One would think that would also be the last thing we could expect to see from a Repub gov, ...but in the past 8 years, those guys have really surprised us haven't they? It's almost like berserker referred to it last year "An Invasion of Body Snatchers"

[240 is Back]

Hedge,

Are you saying Obama hasn't lied?  All politicians here lie.

[Hedgehog]

Hedge,

Are you saying Obama hasn't lied?  All politicians here lie.

I never saw Hillary Clinton lie, never saw Obama lie, never saw Bush lie.

I've seen Bush twist the truth a whole lot though.

But that's a whole different matter.

Eg, when Bush claimed that there were proof of WMD's in Iraq, I'm sure he had indications that there MAY have been some, getting flawed intelligence.
And twisting it.

But I'm not sure he entirely lied.

Another good example is Bill Clinton. In his world, getting his dick sucked wasn't sex. So he didn't lie.

But that congressman who had a gay boy affair, he lied.

And was slayed for it.

Sure, the politicians aren't exactly truthful. But to flat out lie is very dangerous.

Dodging questions and issues is much more common.

And making loose promises that may sound like something else than it is eg:

If Obama holds a speech in a state where people are against guns:

"I will work to make legislations to take guns off the streets"

WTF does that mean really? Nothing precise.

It could mean longer prison times or all-out ban for guns.

In a gun-loving state Obama could say:

"I promise to protect the gun owners constitutional rights. I am 100% committed to the 2nd amendment"

That would sound awesome in the ears of a trigger happy Redneck who loves nothing more than to wear guns and to shot with his AK-47 in the weekends sporting a sweaty tanktop.

But it doesn't mean jack shit really.

It only means he isn't likely to ban guns completely.

So when Obama says he isn't for an all-out ban, that says enough IMO.

[www.BrinkZone.com]

Will that influence your vote?

Absolutely, but I don't need to see that to already know he's anti gun rights, anti 2A, and anti self defense. For example, he proposes a total ban on CCW. Moron.

[www.BrinkZone.com]

Instead of building up drama about whether he's a signed a paper or not...

How about listening to his answers on whether he is in favor of an all-out ban or not?

If he says he is not, I guess he isn't?

Like all politicians, he talks out of both sides of his mouth:

    *  Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 2008)
    * Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing. (Jan 2008)
    * 2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month. (Oct 2007)
    * Concealed carry OK for retired police officers. (Aug 2007)
    * Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities. (Jul 2007)
    * Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality. (Oct 2006)
    * Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998)
    * Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)

http://www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm#Gun_Control

[Rimbaud]

Settle down Rob no one's taking our guns just yet. 

[headhuntersix]

Like all politicians, he talks out of both sides of his mouth:

    *  Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 2008)
    * Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing. (Jan 2008)
    * 2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month. (Oct 2007)
    * Concealed carry OK for retired police officers. (Aug 2007)
    * Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities. (Jul 2007)
    * Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality. (Oct 2006)
    * Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998)
    * Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)

http://www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm#Gun_Control

What else do u need to know....this guy is anti gun and he's picking apart the 2nd Amendement 1 side issue at a time.....