if said bodybuilder had anticipated zits, water retention, ect...then wold you argue that said bodbuilder could then not manifest sch side effects to occur? if one can create steroid like gains from simply believing that they should be getting steroid tye gains, then wouldnt one be able to force their bodies to create steroid like side efects?
could scceptability to gyno, fat gain, water retention, acne; just be a purely mental attribute; where the believers ttain side effects and the ones who think they ill be free from adverse side effects will thus have an easy going cycle?
AM I JUST SPEWING BULLSHIT??? 
No, I dont' think so.
I was actually being sarcastic with the comment every time I posted it, but I guess some of you took me more seriously than I was taking my own comments.
I train as a powerlifter. I have for a long time. With powerlifting, the brain is the single most important bit you need to get into "the game". If your brain is off, you will not hit a max attempt. Its that simple. I think the same is true for bodybuilding, although its slightly different. In bodybuilding its the same drive to train minus that all out single intense event, but its also the discipline to do a precontest diet (which you have to do also to make weight in powerlifting, just no where near as extreme) and to put yourself through what you have to do to get into contest shape for the time it takes with all of the distractions of everyday life.
I also think there are two very real examples of what I was sarcastically posting in the first place. The first one is the supplement industry. Do any of you seriously think that currently available prohormones (the stuff thats still legal), muscle builders, and what not has anabolic steroid like effects? I sure don't, but weider, muscletech, EAS, and every other company has madem millions of dollars convincing people that they do. But go to any gym and you are certian to find someone who will stand on their head and swear that 1-6-oxymethowhatthefuck-9 and tri-tribulofootsniffersmellumpusit has added 50 lbs to their bench press and 45 lbs of lean mass. Its their decision that that product worked that did it, not some bullshit supplement that in reality is little more than caffiene and sugar. I've said for years I bet you could take horseshit, put it in a pill form and get 10 internationally known bodybuilders, a couple of powerlifters, a NASCAR driver and a couple of MMA fighters or professional wrestlers to endorse it with the right advertising and you'd be selling pills faster than your horse could shit. The current "energy drink" market is a great example of that. Hell, Hulk Hogan has his own energy drink now I saw at wallyworld the other night.
The other example is the person who took a large amount of anabolics who then 'quit" for various reasons and they start the downhill slide you see posted about here. i know of at least two powerlifters---fairly well--who once they decided they could train hard without the drugs, got their heads straight, and got back in the gym, they went on to move some very, very good numbers both in the gym and on the platform, only the second time around was drug free. Why? because they decided they could do it.
I also think you are borderline crazy to trust the underground steroid market. Why? its really simple: money. You are not going to convince me that those dealers are risking federal jail time becuase they are concerned about how you look in the gym and they are determined to deliver a quality product. There is one thing motivating them and one thing only. MONEY. They are in it to make a profit and you are going to be hard pressed to convince me otherwise. This also means that as more and more people do it, as the feds have more and more crackdowns, as things get harder and harder, they are going to do whatever and however they can to cut corners on the production of their product, the exact same as dealers of "other" drugs, be it cocaine, pot, whatever.
Finally, I try to think of things in terms of basic physiology. I have a background as a human med tech, which I was years before I went to veterinary school. I have a degree in science education, I have a degree in biology, I teach college students, I've been through an internship and a residency and I've been in practice for a few years. The bottom line goal I've struggled for a few years with amazement at the absolutely ridiculously high doses of drugs some of the members on some of the forums post that they are taking. With all drugs you reach a point of dimishing returns, where more isn't going to do anything (other than maybe kill you, like anesthesia drugs) because the body can only utilize a certian amount of drug over a given period of time without physiological breakdown. The only logical solution is they have to be using underdosed or mislabeled products.
