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« Reply #125 on: June 09, 2008, 04:15:31 PM »
Please write rational arguments for saying so :) (Ps: Debussey = retarded, IQ53)

- Transhumanism = coming, whether you like it or not. Did you even know what the term meant before writing your intelligent reply? ::)

- The 10000 90IQ vs 1 150IQ person example (with no use of computers, only brainpower) has merit.

- Most production processes being taken over by technology has merit.

Please find suitable rational arguments that refutes what Debussey wrote.

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I would have to go through and read the entire thread. However, I really don't believe "superhumans" are going to save the economy in the future.

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« Reply #126 on: June 09, 2008, 04:15:55 PM »
Matt c ,How do you explain  high crime in Argentina ,where 95% of the population is white ?
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Or the High Crime in Iraq. hahha

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« Reply #127 on: June 09, 2008, 04:16:59 PM »
man those guys must have alot of test  :D

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« Reply #128 on: June 09, 2008, 04:20:34 PM »
blacks who want to integrate and work become rich and respected. They are a minority.

blacks who want to benefit from welfare and basically everything the white man created while at the same time being victimized  live in poverty and are ENJOYING it.
They are the majority.


It's all about quantity vs quality, and our western societies, wether it's in europe or in north america, are producing more and more losers with no values who in return are destroying themsleves and everything the finest minds built or are trying to build.

The west just don't produce enough smart and coureagous people, most people are now materialistic self centered cowards who only care about TV and themsleves, who don't recongize themselves as being part of a community, a nation, or a civilization.

That's the big difference between the west and the islamic world or the asian world; they still sport strong values and adapted their strong societies to capitalism while keeping the best of their pilosophical and pragmatic ways of life.

They are strong entities which never opened their doors wide to others civilizations, and consider the white multuculturalism like a weakness that will lead us to our own doom, and they are absolutely right about it.

Basically we 're killing ourselves and they re waiting cautiously for us to disapear into oblivion to take over our legacy.

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« Reply #129 on: June 09, 2008, 04:27:03 PM »
I would have to go through and read the entire thread. However, I really don't believe "superhumans" are going to save the economy in the future.


Debussey never wrote anything about "saving the economy" you dumb fuck. Debussey wrote "driving the economy" (and that applies to any country in the world).

Face it, big technological breakthroughs are one of the main factors that leads to long term economic growth (and it becomes more and more important). These breakthroughs comes from people or groups of people with very high intelligence in the vast majority of cases. (Sub 100IQ people rarely brings any great progress for example) In a world economy that is driven more and more by the "fruits of intelligence", the asset of intelligence becomes increasingly valuable as a factor for economical growth.

Increase human intelligence to "superhuman" levels in a great number of people = the society will earn more, (and have less expenses from people labeled as fuck ups)

Factor in that most production processes becomes more and more automatized, and that robotics will take over more and more of the "crap" jobs that floats around = less jobs for low IQ people, and less humans needed to bring technological breakthroughs into production.

Very simple really. Most researchers agree on the fact that these "superhumans" will come. Most researchers also believe that the technology for a vast increasement in the automatization of most production process will arrive. -> Plus 2 and 2 together :D

Later addition to this post: Any country that has a high number of very very intelligent and productive people (as a result of genetic engineering) will on average outperform countries with a small number of very highly intelligent people. It is clear knowledge that low intelligence = correlates with problems like crime, little education and so on. It is therefore reasonable to at least speculate that a country with a high number of very very intelligent people also have less social problems (like crime), less expenses in health care (high intelligence = better health, and genetic engineering would probably screen for disease genes as well), less expenses in welfare, simply: More economic output per citizen.
-> So yes, the society with a very high amount of "genetically superior people" will most likely be or become an economical powerhouse, EVEN IF starting from a crappy starting point (like where the US = today).

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« Reply #130 on: June 09, 2008, 04:32:33 PM »
blacks who want to integrate and work become rich and respected. They are a minority.

blacks who want to benefit from welfare and basically everything the white man created while at the same time being victimized  live in poverty and are ENJOYING it.
They are the majority.


It's all about quantity vs quality, and our western societies, wether it's in europe or in north america, are producing more and more losers with no values who in return are destroying themsleves and everything the finest minds built or are trying to build.

The west just don't produce enough smart and coureagous people, most people are now materialistic self centered cowards who only care about TV and themsleves, who don't recongize themselves as being part of a community, a nation, or a civilization.

That's the big difference between the west and the islamic world or the asian world; they still sport strong values and adapted their strong societies to capitalism while keeping the best of their pilosophical and pragmatic ways of life.

They are strong entities which never opened their doors wide to others civilizations, and consider the white multuculturalism like a weakness that will lead us to our own doom, and they are absolutely right about it.

Basically we 're killing ourselves and they re waiting cautiously for us to disapear into oblivion to take over our legacy.
Welfare in America is not a free for all.

You HAVE to have a JOB to receive welfare.

What is welfare?

Welfare really has two meanings. In one sense, it refers to all government programs providing benefits to impoverished Americans. The major programs are Medicaid, Food Stamps, Supplemental Security Income (SSI) and HUD housing programs. When the public and politicians speak of welfare, they are generally referring to what was Aid to Families With Dependent Children (AFDC) and is now Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF). This cash assistance program is primarily provided to single parents. The TANF program has always been a relatively small part of the overall welfare scheme.  (Click to see chart)  To qualify for these programs, individuals must apply and meet income and resource limitations. The HUD and Food Stamp programs are federally funded; the others involve both federal and state funds.


TANF sets forward the following work requirements necessary for benefits:

1.Recipients (with few exceptions) must work as soon as they are job ready or no later than two years after coming on assistance.

2.Single parents are required to participate in work activities for at least 30 hours per week. Two-parent families must participate in work activities 35 or 55 hours a week, depending upon circumstances.

3.Failure to participate in work requirements can result in a reduction or termination of benefits to the family.

4.States, in FY 2004, have to ensure that 50 percent of all families and 90 percent of two-parent families are participating in work activities. If a state reduces its caseload, without restricting eligibility, it can receive a caseload reduction credit. This credit reduces the minimum participation rates the state must achieve.

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« Reply #131 on: June 09, 2008, 04:35:23 PM »
Highlights of TANF
Work Requirements:

Recipients (with few exceptions) must work as soon as they are job ready or no later than two years after coming on assistance.
Single parents are required to participate in work activities for at least 30 hours per week. Two-parent families must participate in work activities 35 or 55 hours a week, depending upon circumstances.
Failure to participate in work requirements can result in a reduction or termination of benefits to the family.
States cannot penalize single parents with a child under six for failing to meet work requirements if they cannot find adequate child care.
States, in FY 2004, have to ensure that 50 percent of all families and 90 percent of two-parent families are participating in work activities. If a state reduces its caseload, without restricting eligibility, it can receive a caseload reduction credit. This credit reduces the minimum participation rates the state must achieve.

Work Activities – Activities that count toward a state’s participation rates (some restrictions may apply):

unsubsidized or subsidized employment
on-the-job training
work experience
community service
job search – not to exceed 6 total weeks and no more than 4 consecutive weeks
vocational training – not to exceed 12 months
job skills training related to work
satisfactory secondary school attendance
providing child care services to individuals who are participating in community service.

Five-Year Time Limit:

Families with an adult who has received federally funded assistance for a total of five years (or less at state option) are not eligible for cash aid under the TANF program.
States may extend assistance beyond 60 months to not more than 20 percent of their caseload. They may also elect to provide assistance to families beyond 60 months using state-only funds or Social Services Block Grants.

State Maintenance of Effort Requirement (MOE):

The TANF block grant has an annual cost-sharing requirement for States, referred to as maintenance of effort or MOE.
Every fiscal year each state must spend a certain minimum amount of its own money to help eligible families in ways consistent with the TANF program.

Penalties
The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) may reduce a state's block grant if it fails to do any of the following:
satisfy work requirements
comply with the five-year limit on assistance
meet the state’s Contingency fund MOE requirement
reduce recipient grants for refusing to participate in work activities without good cause
maintain assistance when a single custodial parent with a child under six can not obtain child care
submit required data reports
comply with paternity establishment and child support enforcement requirements
participate in the Income and Eligibility Verification System
repay a federal loan on time
establish and maintain work verification procedures
use funds appropriately
replace federal penalty reductions with additional state funds.


Personal Employability Plans:

States must make an initial assessment of a recipient’s skills.
States may develop personal responsibility plans for each recipient to identify the education, training, and job placement services needed to move into the workforce.

Teen Parent Live-at-Home and Stay-in-School Requirement:

Unmarried minor parents must participate in educational and training activities and live with a responsible adult or in an adult-supervised setting in order to receive assistance.
States are responsible for assisting in locating adult-supervised settings for teens who can not live at home.
State Plans:

HHS reviews state plans for completeness only.
States must allow for a 45-day comment period on the state plan by local governments and private organizations and consult with them.
The state plan must have objective criteria for eligibility and benefits that are fair and equitable.
The plan must explain appeal rights.
In order to remain eligible, i.e., continue to qualify to receive funding under TANF, States will need to submit TANF renewal plans during the applicable 27-month period described in section 402 of the Social Security Act. Only eligible States may receive a TANF block grant.

Job Subsidies:

The law allows States to create jobs by taking money that is now used for welfare checks and using it to create community service jobs, provide income subsidies, or provide hiring incentives for potential employers.

Waivers:

States that received approval for welfare reform waivers before January 1, 1997, have the option to operate their cash assistance program under some or all of these waivers until the waivers expire.


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« Reply #132 on: June 09, 2008, 04:36:19 PM »
Why did TA ignore the posts of his that I brought up which showed him agreeing with the concepts that I do and furthermore (ironically), being the one who introduced me to them?
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« Reply #133 on: June 09, 2008, 04:38:22 PM »
Why did TA ignore the posts of his that I brought up which showed him agreeing with the concepts that I do and furthermore (ironically), being the one who introduced me to them?
I don`t agree with you at all.

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« Reply #134 on: June 09, 2008, 04:38:31 PM »
haha ameriraqa  ;D
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« Reply #135 on: June 09, 2008, 04:39:04 PM »
Why did TA ignore the posts of his that I brought up which showed him agreeing with the concepts that I do and furthermore (ironically), being the one who introduced me to them?
Matt c ,How do you explain  high crime in Argentina ,where 95% of the population is white ?
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« Reply #136 on: June 09, 2008, 04:43:47 PM »
Matt c ,How do you explain  high crime in Argentina ,where 95% of the population is white ?
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Yeah, exactly.

Like my nation. USA fairly high murder rates as the stat kings will know. Our murder rates are about 10% of the USA per capita, 10 times more likely to be wacked in the USA. Even if you take out all ethnic crime in the USA, that still leaves White Americans far more likely to kill than my nationals. Don't even start on the stats of school shootings, serial killings and pedophila. Not even in the same ballpark, and 2 our of those 3 do not exist here except on TV where we see it. ::)

I easily say that is simply due to our lack of poverty, equality, lack of abhorrent history, weapons banned, very harsh justice, free good quality mental health care for the nutters. This equates to a extremely low crime rate in general, nothing to do with our race as that defies every statistic of the US. Opposite issue other places, which causes a switch of stats. Also, of all people here I am least likely to a violent commit crime by far. All 220+ nations share one similar stat - men commit most violent acts.

Crime is crime, and blows. Very simple. Could care less who kills my mom, just don't want her killed

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« Reply #137 on: June 09, 2008, 04:47:22 PM »
Matt c ,How do you explain  high crime in Argentina ,where 95% of the population is white ?
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The question is how different races in the same socioeconomic groups compare in regards to crime (and/or if one or more races has genetic propensities (like lower intelligence) that increases the chances of them getting to teh poverty stage in the first place, like a lot of scientific data suggests for blacks), not the crime in a single country without any racial comparence data.


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« Reply #138 on: June 09, 2008, 04:52:07 PM »

Debussey never wrote anything about "saving the economy" you dumb fuck. Debussey wrote "driving the economy" (and that applies to any country in the world).

Face it, big technological breakthroughs are one of the main factors that leads to long term economic growth (and it becomes more and more important). These breakthroughs comes from people or groups of people with very high intelligence in the vast majority of cases. (Sub 100IQ people rarely brings any great progress for example) In a world economy that is driven more and more by the "fruits of intelligence", the asset of intelligence becomes increasingly valuable as a factor for economical growth.

Increase human intelligence to "superhuman" levels in a great number of people = the society will earn more, (and have less expenses from people labeled as fuck ups)

Factor in that most production processes becomes more and more automatized, and that robotics will take over more and more of the "crap" jobs that floats around = less jobs for low IQ people, and less humans needed to bring technological breakthroughs into production.

Very simple really. Most researchers agree on the fact that these "superhumans" will come. Most researchers also believe that the technology for a vast increasement in the automatization of most production process will arrive. -> Plus 2 and 2 together :D

Later addition to this post: Any country that has a high number of very very intelligent and productive people (as a result of genetic engineering) will on average outperform countries with a small number of very highly intelligent people. It is clear knowledge that low intelligence = correlates with problems like crime, little education and so on. It is therefore reasonable to at least speculate that a country with a high number of very very intelligent people also have less social problems (like crime), less expenses in health care (high intelligence = better health, and genetic engineering would probably screen for disease genes as well), less expenses in welfare, simply: More economic output per citizen.
-> So yes, the society with a very high amount of "genetically superior people" will most likely be or become an economical powerhouse, EVEN IF starting from a crappy starting point (like where the US = today).

Do you really believe this post?

Let me fill you in something, genius. The last two decades have been nothing but "big technological breakthroughs." Take a look at the current state of the world. It's more fucked up than ever. Sounds like you have been watching too much of the "sci-fi channel.

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« Reply #139 on: June 09, 2008, 04:52:13 PM »
I don`t agree with you at all.

I will be back on later, but you yourself stated it was genetic in the post of yours that I quoted.  Here, allow me to refresh your memory:

Its a genetic mark, hardly racial in nature.  More along the lines of Trisomy 21.
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« Reply #140 on: June 09, 2008, 04:54:40 PM »
Vince, you are wrong.

If we take a look at transracial adoption studies, they reveal that if a black child is adopted into a middle class white home, the average race based differences remain.

There are even studies documenting that when a mixed race child - who has been mistakingly labeled as "black" (the fellow working airport security in the latest Harold & Kumar film) - is placed into adoption with white parents they will still develop the IQ that would be expected for mixed race children and not blacks; do you not see how explosive that is?

It has nothing to do with "labeling" or environment, it is largely [80%] genetic.

Environment plays a role in a person's development, but certainly not one worthwhile of assigning too much importance to.





Matt, poverty is almost always the reason people commit crimes.  Its because they want money.  Whether they are black or white, if a white person has no money and is in poverty, his chances of committing a crime are on par with a black person in poverty. 

Crime happens because either people want something or need something. 



As far as intelligence is concerned, when everyone is born, they are ignorant to the world and are essentially a blank slate.  Life defines who they are and the individuals defines how smart he or she will be. 

The argument that whites are smarter than blacks is nonsense.  That would mean that you're smarter than me and no disrespect but you have not quite reached my intelligence level. 

I base my findings on the fact that while you do have extensive book knowledge and math skills, you lack a great deal of street knowledge and common sense. 

If you wish for me to explain this to you further, just PM me all shall be enlightened. 

I consider most people black and white inferior to me anyway.     
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« Reply #141 on: June 09, 2008, 04:55:53 PM »
I will be back on later, but you yourself stated it was genetic in the post of yours that I quoted.  Here, allow me to refresh your memory:

Trisomy 21 is a genetic disease.  Your moronity knows no bounds.

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« Reply #142 on: June 09, 2008, 04:57:34 PM »
Do you really believe this post?

Let me fill you in something, genius. The last two decades have been nothing but "big technological breakthroughs." Take a look at the current state of the world. It's more fucked up than ever. Sounds like you have been watching too much of the "sci-fi channel.

You are not even adressing Debusseys arguments.

The last two decades of technological development has not enabled humans to upgrade themselves, thus, your statement is not relevant for Debusseys writings. The ability for technology to "upgrade" humans will first become available in 20 - 50 years, henche, Debusseys posts on the subject refering to "50 years into the future".  ::)

You clearly do not have the brainpower, nor the insight/knowledge to continue this discussion. Come back when you have aquainted yourself with the concepts needed to have this discussion.


Seriously, why the hell did you mention the "technological breakthroughs of the last two decades" when the context of this discussion = clearly 50 years in the future? ::)

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« Reply #143 on: June 09, 2008, 05:04:02 PM »

As far as intelligence is concerned, when everyone is born, they are ignorant to the world and are essentially a blank slate.  Life defines who they are and the individuals defines how smart he or she will be. 

The argument that whites are smarter than blacks is nonsense.  That would mean that you're smarter than me and no disrespect but you have not quite reached my intelligence level. 
  

Vince, that all newborns are "a blank slate" and that every person have the same ability to become intelligent is just flat out wrong. Genetics decides a persons intelligence to a LARGE degree, and tons of scientist and scientific findings regarding intelligence agrees on this.

Second, the black/white IQ gap is real, and a lot of research indicates that this gap is at least partially genetic in nature. People can discuss the validity of these findings, but flat out refusing them without any scientific references = dumb. Further, claiming that intelligence = not partially genetic in nature and that "each person is a blank slate" is a retarded unscientific moronic fantasy that should be tossed out.


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« Reply #144 on: June 09, 2008, 05:35:50 PM »
You are not even adressing Debusseys arguments.

The last two decades of technological development has not enabled humans to upgrade themselves, thus, your statement is not relevant for Debusseys writings. The ability for technology to "upgrade" humans will first become available in 20 - 50 years, henche, Debusseys posts on the subject refering to "50 years into the future".  ::)

You clearly do not have the brainpower, nor the insight/knowledge to continue this discussion. Come back when you have aquainted yourself with the concepts needed to have this discussion.


Seriously, why the hell did you mention the "technological breakthroughs of the last two decades" when the context of this discussion = clearly 50 years in the future? ::)

Go back and re-read my post. You sure are lacking in the reading comprehension department. ;)

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I would have to go through and read the entire thread.


Anyway, the world will not be in any better shape 50 years from now. I'm sure it will be much worse.

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« Reply #145 on: June 09, 2008, 07:22:48 PM »
Go back and re-read my post. You sure are lacking in the reading comprehension department. ;)


Anyway, the world will not be in any better shape 50 years from now. I'm sure it will be much worse.


Will write you a response tomorrow you little turd buglar. In the meantime, don't blow your load.

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« Reply #146 on: June 16, 2008, 12:19:58 PM »
  Your moronity knows no bounds.

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