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Re: 1999 Olympia, DVD screencaps look nothing like real life....
« Reply #125 on: June 16, 2008, 07:26:29 PM »
  It's obvious that he is claiming that the 1999 Olympias pics taken from screecaps were tampered with, and do not show how Ronnie looked in that stage. He even gave an example showing the techniques used, so I have no idea why you are even asking this question. This is truly embarassing, Huckster. Delete your account if you still want to go out with some dignity. 8)

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someone like yourself should be smart enough to realize a few things:

1. there is no 'control' set of screencaps to base this supposed 'tampering' on. So you can't just assume that screencaps are tampered with.

just because someone thinks Ronnie 99 looks too good to be true does NOT mean than any screencaps were tampered with.

2. my VHS tape and no doubt everyone elses and DVD's look JUST AS GOOD as the screencaps. and they have NOT been tampered with.

honestly..

 ::)

you should be deleting your account for falling for this crap with out using your head first..think about it.

ND, well, we expect that from him.

but everyone else should know better.

these screencaps have been around for a long long time.

and from day one the nuthuggers have been praying that they will go away simply because they crush their hero dorian.

they will pick at any straw if there is even a chance for this to happen in their little minds.. ::)


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Re: 1999 Olympia, DVD screencaps look nothing like real life....
« Reply #126 on: June 16, 2008, 07:28:46 PM »
Looks like CigaretteMan errr ....suckmymuscle found the password to the Sucky account LOL

  This is my only account here. Wtf are you talking about? I'm not into gimmicks, unlike you "Pobrecito". ;)

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Re: 1999 Olympia, DVD screencaps look nothing like real life....
« Reply #127 on: June 16, 2008, 07:33:45 PM »
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just because someone thinks Ronnie 99 looks too good to be true does NOT mean than any screencaps were tampered with.

remember what our friend ForcedReps said about all this:

even back in the day, he was owning the nuthuggers..

things are no different today I guess. 2 years later and they still haven't learned... ::)
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Re: 1999 Olympia, DVD screencaps look nothing like real life....
« Reply #128 on: June 16, 2008, 07:35:40 PM »
someone like yourself should be smart enough to realize a few things:

1. there is no 'control' set of screencaps to base this supposed 'tampering' on. So you can't just assume that screencaps are tampered with.

just because someone thinks Ronnie 99 looks too good to be true does NOT mean than any screencaps were tampered with.

2. my VHS tape and no doubt everyone elses and DVD's look JUST AS GOOD as the screencaps. and they have NOT been tampered with.

honestly..

 ::)

you should be deleting your account for falling for this crap with out using your head first..think about it.

ND, well, we expect that from him.

but everyone else should know better.

these screencaps have been around for a long long time.

and from day one the nuthuggers have been praying that they will go away simply because they crush their hero dorian.

they will pick at any straw if there is even a chance for this to happen in their little minds.. ::)




  Hulkster, Mr.Horton has stated that, when taken from screencaps, the images come with very poor resolution that must be corrected. The problem is that the techniques used to sharpen the images makes them more impressive then they were on the video the images were removed from. That is Kevin's point. The only way to show the nuances that were removed when a picture is taken from a video shot is by using the "unsharp mask" technique which ends up creating more nuances than what the bodybuilder actually looked on video. It's not so much that the pictures were photosopped on purpose, but that they had to be worked otherwise you would see nothing but a blurry picture. :)

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Re: 1999 Olympia, DVD screencaps look nothing like real life....
« Reply #129 on: June 16, 2008, 07:41:00 PM »
  This is my only account here. Wtf are you talking about? I'm not into gimmicks, unlike you "Pobrecito". ;)

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You aren't fooling anyone Sucky. You operated under the handle CigaretteMan and it was blatantly obvious. Just admit it and we can move on. Your denial is only digging you into a deeper grave  :o


Let's see some facts here:

1) Both Sucky and CigaretteMan attended the 1996 Mr. Olympia
2) Both Sucky and CigaretteMan were the only ones in GetBig history to talk about Dillet's massive varicose veins and how it created the illusion of a thick chest
3) Immediately after Sucky went on "hiatus" CigaretteMan started posting and vice versa  ::)
4) Same exact posting style
5) Sucky is the only person who cares enough to argue with Semen (as CigaretteMan did)
6) "Both" called Jay Cutler Gay Gutler


Bottom Line: Sucky = CigaretteMan. Case Closed


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Re: 1999 Olympia, DVD screencaps look nothing like real life....
« Reply #130 on: June 16, 2008, 07:50:44 PM »
I know you're getting ass-raped real bad in this thread but this is what you're offering? you're cracking yourself up over this? lol this?

Hulkster I could collect can for a living I'd still know more about competitive bodybuilding than you and I was never reduced to using fake pics and making up quotes  ;)

LOL, you're not going to change your mind on the so-called "fake" pics even though you know they aren't. So, there is no point to this thread because it will keep going on and on, etc.

You can bring up your ad populum, but it is a weak argument and quite honestly it's a pathetic excuse. Bodybuilding is based on opinions, judging, scoring/points, rounds, etc. The bottomline is, everything in bodybuilding comes down to popular opinion and that's where Ronnie beats everyone. Just ask the people in the list below, LOL. Crazy thing about you claiming to know more than these people is even more absurd than the so-called "fake" pics:

IFBB Owners: Check
Eye witnesses: Check
Bodybuilders (who competed against both Ronnie & yates during their prime): Check
Judges: Check
Experts: Check
Writers: Check
Professional Trainers: Check
Photographers: Check

Quoted from:

Flex Wheeler
Jean Pierre Fux
John Hansen
George De Pirro
Ron Harris
Steve Blechman
Shawn Perine
Dan Soloman
Ben Weider
Allan Donnelly  
Dave Palumbo
Gunter Schlierkamp
David Robson
Bob Cicherillo
Raymond Cassar
Peter McGough
Team Flex
Lonnie Teper  
Joe Weider
Eryk Bui
Victor Martinez
Mike Matarrazo
Quincy Taylor
Melvin Anthony
Toney Freeman
Branch Warren
Capriese Murray
Craig Richardson
Stan McCrary
Chris Cormier
Aaron Baker
Don Long
Greg Valentino - (I don't like quoting him, but the fact that he could of chosen anyone, he chose Ronnie as the greatest of all-time)
Joe McNeal
King Kamali
Charles Glass
Dorian Yates
Ronnie Coleman
Jay Cutler
Ryan Mackie
Paul Dillet
Dexter Jackson
David Robson
Craig Titus
Myron Mielke
Milos Sarcev



Another funny thing is out of thousands of people who have seen the 99 Ronnie screencaps, only a few yates nuthuggers claim "fake" pics.

A whole thread about Ronnie 99 with the screencaps and not a single person cried or accused anyone of "fake" pics.
http://www.musclemecca.com/showthread.php/99-coleman-everyone-else-4268.html?t=4268

How does it feel to be the only morons who think this?

This stupid thread has gone on long enough.

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Re: 1999 Olympia, DVD screencaps look nothing like real life....
« Reply #131 on: June 16, 2008, 07:51:54 PM »
You aren't fooling anyone Sucky. You operated under the handle CigaretteMan and it was blatantly obvious. Just admit it and we can move on. Your denial is only digging you into a deeper grave

  I'm a much older poster than you here, and everyone knows I have no gimmicks. It's not my style to create multiple handles, because I say everything I have to in one. Furthermore, the TCP/IP protocol doesen't lie, and clearly shows one account. I would much rather change the username of my account than starting a new one, because I like to add to the post cost.

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Re: 1999 Olympia, DVD screencaps look nothing like real life....
« Reply #132 on: June 16, 2008, 07:53:13 PM »
  I'm a much older poster than you here, and everyone knows I have no gimmicks. It's not my style to create multiple handles, because I say everything I have to in one. Furthermore, the TCP/IP protocol doesen't lie, and clearly shows one account. I would much rather change the username of my account than starting a new one, because I like to add to the post cost.

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I never said it was a gimmick. It's my opinion that you lost the password and simply created a new account until you found the old password. My new account was never a "gimmick." I went to change my email address in the user control panel and made an error and I was forever locked out of my old account. Hence, I had to make a new one.
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Re: 1999 Olympia, DVD screencaps look nothing like real life....
« Reply #133 on: June 16, 2008, 07:57:15 PM »
LOL, you're not going to change your mind on the so-called "fake" pics even though you know they aren't. So, there is no point to this thread because it will keep going on and on, etc.

You can bring up your ad populum, but it is a weak argument and quite honestly it's a pathetic excuse. Bodybuilding is based on opinions, judging, scoring/points, rounds, etc. The bottomline is, everything in bodybuilding comes down to popular opinion and that's where Ronnie beats everyone. Just ask the people in the list below, LOL. Crazy thing about you claiming to know more than these people is even more absurd than the so-called "fake" pics:

IFBB Owners: Check
Eye witnesses: Check
Bodybuilders (who competed against both Ronnie & yates during their prime): Check
Judges: Check
Experts: Check
Writers: Check
Professional Trainers: Check
Photographers: Check

Quoted from:

Flex Wheeler
Jean Pierre Fux
John Hansen
George De Pirro
Ron Harris
Steve Blechman
Shawn Perine
Dan Soloman
Ben Weider
Allan Donnelly  
Dave Palumbo
Gunter Schlierkamp
David Robson
Bob Cicherillo
Raymond Cassar
Peter McGough
Team Flex
Lonnie Teper  
Joe Weider
Eryk Bui
Victor Martinez
Mike Matarrazo
Quincy Taylor
Melvin Anthony
Toney Freeman
Branch Warren
Capriese Murray
Craig Richardson
Stan McCrary
Chris Cormier
Aaron Baker
Don Long
Greg Valentino - (I don't like quoting him, but the fact that he could of chosen anyone, he chose Ronnie as the greatest of all-time)
Joe McNeal
King Kamali
Charles Glass
Dorian Yates
Ronnie Coleman
Jay Cutler
Ryan Mackie
Paul Dillet
Dexter Jackson
David Robson
Craig Titus
Myron Mielke
Milos Sarcev



Another funny thing is out of thousands of people who have seen the 99 Ronnie screencaps, only a few yates nuthuggers claim "fake" pics.

A whole thread about Ronnie 99 with the screencaps and not a single person cried or accused anyone of "fake" pics.
http://www.musclemecca.com/showthread.php/99-coleman-everyone-else-4268.html?t=4268

How does it feel to be the only morons who think this?

This stupid thread has gone on long enough.


the stupidity of ND and his bitches knows no bounds.. :-\
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Re: 1999 Olympia, DVD screencaps look nothing like real life....
« Reply #134 on: June 16, 2008, 07:57:24 PM »
LOL, you're not going to change your mind on the so-called "fake" pics even though you know they aren't. So, there is no point to this thread because it will keep going on and on, etc.

You can bring up your ad populum, but it is a weak argument and quite honestly it's a pathetic excuse. Bodybuilding is based on opinions, judging, scoring/points, rounds, etc. The bottomline is, everything in bodybuilding comes down to popular opinion and that's where Ronnie beats everyone. Just ask the people in the list below, LOL. Crazy thing about you claiming to know more than these people is even more absurd than the so-called "fake" pics:

IFBB Owners: Check
Eye witnesses: Check
Bodybuilders (who competed against both Ronnie & yates during their prime): Check
Judges: Check
Experts: Check
Writers: Check
Professional Trainers: Check
Photographers: Check



Every one of the above could easily be replaced with those who have the opinion that Yates was superior. Therefore, your argument is moot.

Plus, as ND has already pointed out, your quotes are highly flawed. Take for example Flex Wheeler. I don't think it's any secret that Flex has a disdain for Yates because Dorian basically buried him in 93 and Flex was never the same again. He said Ronnie should have won in 2007 for Christ's sake! NO credibility.
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Re: 1999 Olympia, DVD screencaps look nothing like real life....
« Reply #135 on: June 16, 2008, 08:04:18 PM »
I never said it was a gimmick. It's my opinion that you lost the password and simply created a new account until you found the old password. My new account was never a "gimmick." I went to change my email address in the user control panel and made an error and I was forever locked out of my old account. Hence, I had to make a new one.

  Ok, "CigaretteMan" made a post in this very thread today from what I've seen, so check the IPs or ask a mod to and it will confirm it's different accounts. Go ahead. I have nothing to fear. ;)

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Re: 1999 Olympia, DVD screencaps look nothing like real life....
« Reply #136 on: June 16, 2008, 08:09:22 PM »
Every one of the above could easily be replaced with those who have the opinion that Yates was superior. Therefore, your argument is moot.

Plus, as ND has already pointed out, your quotes are highly flawed. Take for example Flex Wheeler. I don't think it's any secret that Flex has a disdain for Yates because Dorian basically buried him in 93 and Flex was never the same again. He said Ronnie should have won in 2007 for Christ's sake! NO credibility.

um.. hello?

 ::)

Flex has certainly has his distain for Ronnie too..

or have you forgot already:




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Re: 1999 Olympia, DVD screencaps look nothing like real life....
« Reply #137 on: June 16, 2008, 08:17:07 PM »
um.. hello?

 ::)

Flex has certainly has his distain for Ronnie too..

or have you forgot already:




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No he doesn't. Maybe 98, but that act in 99 was for the fans by his own admission. He knew he lost in 99, just like he did when Yates buried him. Ronnie was always Flex's "brutha"  ::) How else can you explain the fact that he had Ronnie winning in 07  :-X I doubt even you are that delusional  :-\
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Re: 1999 Olympia, DVD screencaps look nothing like real life....
« Reply #138 on: June 16, 2008, 11:33:24 PM »
flex seriously had ronnie winning in 07, i am almost positive that he had vic winning it

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Re: 1999 Olympia, DVD screencaps look nothing like real life....
« Reply #139 on: June 17, 2008, 01:37:59 AM »
LOL, you're not going to change your mind on the so-called "fake" pics even though you know they aren't. So, there is no point to this thread because it will keep going on and on, etc.

You can bring up your ad populum, but it is a weak argument and quite honestly it's a pathetic excuse. Bodybuilding is based on opinions, judging, scoring/points, rounds, etc. The bottomline is, everything in bodybuilding comes down to popular opinion and that's where Ronnie beats everyone. Just ask the people in the list below, LOL. Crazy thing about you claiming to know more than these people is even more absurd than the so-called "fake" pics:

IFBB Owners: Check
Eye witnesses: Check
Bodybuilders (who competed against both Ronnie & yates during their prime): Check
Judges: Check
Experts: Check
Writers: Check
Professional Trainers: Check
Photographers: Check

Quoted from:

Flex Wheeler
Jean Pierre Fux
John Hansen
George De Pirro
Ron Harris
Steve Blechman
Shawn Perine
Dan Soloman
Ben Weider
Allan Donnelly   
Dave Palumbo
Gunter Schlierkamp
David Robson
Bob Cicherillo
Raymond Cassar
Peter McGough
Team Flex
Lonnie Teper   
Joe Weider
Eryk Bui
Victor Martinez
Mike Matarrazo
Quincy Taylor
Melvin Anthony
Toney Freeman
Branch Warren
Capriese Murray
Craig Richardson
Stan McCrary
Chris Cormier
Aaron Baker
Don Long
Greg Valentino - (I don't like quoting him, but the fact that he could of chosen anyone, he chose Ronnie as the greatest of all-time)
Joe McNeal
King Kamali
Charles Glass
Dorian Yates
Ronnie Coleman
Jay Cutler
Ryan Mackie
Paul Dillet
Dexter Jackson
David Robson
Craig Titus
Myron Mielke
Milos Sarcev



Another funny thing is out of thousands of people who have seen the 99 Ronnie screencaps, only a few yates nuthuggers claim "fake" pics.

A whole thread about Ronnie 99 with the screencaps and not a single person cried or accused anyone of "fake" pics.
http://www.musclemecca.com/showthread.php/99-coleman-everyone-else-4268.html?t=4268

How does it feel to be the only morons who think this?

This stupid thread has gone on long enough.


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LOL, you're not going to change your mind on the so-called "fake" pics even though you know they aren't. So, there is no point to this thread because it will keep going on and on, etc.

Even though they're not? are you fucking high? did you read any of the posts from Kevin Horton? epic denial lol that case is closed period end of sentence the creator of those screencaps photoshopped them for a good reason he didn't think they were good enough on their own  ;)

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You can bring up your ad populum, but it is a weak argument and quite honestly it's a pathetic excuse. Bodybuilding is based on opinions, judging, scoring/points, rounds, etc. The bottomline is, everything in bodybuilding comes down to popular opinion and that's where Ronnie beats everyone. Just ask the people in the list below, LOL. Crazy thing about you claiming to know more than these people is even more absurd than the so-called "fake" pics:

The irony of you calling an appeal to numbers ' weak ' what else are you going to do?

An argumentum ad populum (Latin: "appeal to the people"), in logic, is a fallacious argument that concludes a proposition to be true because many or all people believe it; it alleges that "If many believe so, it is so."

its a fallacious argument put for by morons. Bodybuilding is based on opinions true but the MINORITY opinion of the judges and its based on criteria they must adhere to and I love your piss poor example that the argument ad populum is wrong by stating a list of people who agree with you lmmfao you're just as retarded as Hulkster and please show me where I said I know more than these people  ;) my opinion is different than these people no more RIGHT than WRONG just different you're claiming they're all right because its popular textbook appeal to numbers and you're already wrong with this assumption and the pics aren't ' fake ' just photoshopped  ;) the creator of these pics didn't think they were good enough on their own so he played with them in a false representation of how he appeared this has been confirm by a professional graphic artist and one of the best contest photographers in bodybuilding period . so like your appeal to the masses this is proven wrong.

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Another funny thing is out of thousands of people who have seen the 99 Ronnie screencaps, only a few yates nuthuggers claim "fake" pics.

A whole thread about Ronnie 99 with the screencaps and not a single person cried or accused anyone of "fake" pics.
http://www.musclemecca.com/showthread.php/99-coleman-everyone-else-4268.html?t=4268

How does it feel to be the only morons who think this?

This stupid thread has gone on long enough.

Again you're stuck on stupid with even more appeals to numbers ' thousands ' of people didn't say anything lmmfao do yourself a favor don't type anymore , and again the pics aren't fake just NOT an accurate respresentation of how he appeared contest day , they creator didn't think they were good enough on thier own so he photoshopped them thats called desperation  ;) and the sad part is Ronnie 99 looked fantastic too he didn't need anything done apparently someone didn't think so lol

and this ' stupid ' thread has gone on long enough for morons like you who keep claiming the contrary you want it to be over for a very good reason  ;) because your whole argument has just been dismantled and the pics you cling to have been exposed so run away go read your quotes again and think they mean anything in reality lol

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Re: 1999 Olympia, DVD screencaps look nothing like real life....
« Reply #140 on: June 17, 2008, 02:25:44 AM »
2. my VHS tape and no doubt everyone elses and DVD's look JUST AS GOOD as the screencaps. and they have NOT been tampered with.


You are aware that you can over sharpen video in post production?

When you use the "Unsharp Mask" filter in Photoshop or in post production video software you are affecting the contrast between the edges within the image. The amount of sharpening an image requires is determined by many factors. Resolution of image, final image size, and obviously personal choice. An important factor is the subject of the image.

Take a shot of a beautiful woman for a skin care ad campaign and you would use selective sharpening - the eyes would be sharpened but you'd leave the skin. In fact most beauty images are "blurred" in the skin areas.
Now take a shot of a bodybuilder. We want to make him look as sharp as possible. So we open in Photoshop, use unsharp mask using a fairly high amount, with a wide radius and low threshold. Voila, we've increased the apparent graininess of the skin.

Neither of those images are "fake" but they've been enhanced. Another often used trick by a magazine in the business is to reduce the size of the head for an instant 20lb gain in muscle!

I have my own opinions on whether Ronnie or Dorian was better and they are based on having seen them at their best.

In your opinion, Ronnie is better.

But the photos you produce are not conclusive enough as the lighting, angles etc. is so different in each. Take the blurred shot of Dorian hitting a type of most muscular you posted at the start of this thread. Shoot that under the same conditions as the one of Ronnie and he would look entirely different - just look at the shot I did of him in '93 - Ronnie may still win, and the evidence would be more conclusive.






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Re: 1999 Olympia, DVD screencaps look nothing like real life....
« Reply #141 on: June 17, 2008, 03:40:56 AM »
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You are aware that you can over sharpen video in post production?

sure.

but videos showing dorian also get the same treatment and Ronnie still looks much  better.

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Re: 1999 Olympia, DVD screencaps look nothing like real life....
« Reply #142 on: June 17, 2008, 06:57:23 AM »
Every one of the above could easily be replaced with those who have the opinion that Yates was superior. Therefore, your argument is moot.

Plus, as ND has already pointed out, your quotes are highly flawed. Take for example Flex Wheeler. I don't think it's any secret that Flex has a disdain for Yates because Dorian basically buried him in 93 and Flex was never the same again. He said Ronnie should have won in 2007 for Christ's sake! NO credibility.

If everyone in that list can be replaced with in yates favour, then do it. I challenge any yates guy to go ahead and do so. Yeah, I thought so  ::)

ND, is a moron that thinks he knows more than anyone on that list which includes his heroes Mcgough and yates. He picks and chooses which quotes to use and when he gets out quoted he brings up "ad populum", but the moron doesn't realize that using an "ad populum" argument in bodybuilding is contradicting yourself. The botton line is, bodybuilding is based on Popular Opinion: Judging/Judges and Points: Scorecards/Rounds. His argument is weak & pathetic. He is dumber than I thought.

Google "ad populum" and you will see that ND is a moron and doesn't even know how to use "ad populum" in an argument, especially in this sport, LOL.

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Re: 1999 Olympia, DVD screencaps look nothing like real life....
« Reply #143 on: June 17, 2008, 07:05:07 AM »
Even though they're not? are you fucking high? did you read any of the posts from Kevin Horton? epic denial lol that case is closed period end of sentence the creator of those screencaps photoshopped them for a good reason he didn't think they were good enough on their own  ;)

The irony of you calling an appeal to numbers ' weak ' what else are you going to do?

An argumentum ad populum (Latin: "appeal to the people"), in logic, is a fallacious argument that concludes a proposition to be true because many or all people believe it; it alleges that "If many believe so, it is so."

its a fallacious argument put for by morons. Bodybuilding is based on opinions true but the MINORITY opinion of the judges and its based on criteria they must adhere to and I love your piss poor example that the argument ad populum is wrong by stating a list of people who agree with you lmmfao you're just as retarded as Hulkster and please show me where I said I know more than these people  ;) my opinion is different than these people no more RIGHT than WRONG just different you're claiming they're all right because its popular textbook appeal to numbers and you're already wrong with this assumption and the pics aren't ' fake ' just photoshopped  ;) the creator of these pics didn't think they were good enough on their own so he played with them in a false representation of how he appeared this has been confirm by a professional graphic artist and one of the best contest photographers in bodybuilding period . so like your appeal to the masses this is proven wrong.

Again you're stuck on stupid with even more appeals to numbers ' thousands ' of people didn't say anything lmmfao do yourself a favor don't type anymore , and again the pics aren't fake just NOT an accurate respresentation of how he appeared contest day , they creator didn't think they were good enough on thier own so he photoshopped them thats called desperation  ;) and the sad part is Ronnie 99 looked fantastic too he didn't need anything done apparently someone didn't think so lol

and this ' stupid ' thread has gone on long enough for morons like you who keep claiming the contrary you want it to be over for a very good reason  ;) because your whole argument has just been dismantled and the pics you cling to have been exposed so run away go read your quotes again and think they mean anything in reality lol

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Why did you waste time typing that bs? LOL. Ad populum cannot be used in a sport which is based on opinions and numbers. Sorry, but you don't know what the f*ck you're talking about.

Thanks for admitting the pics aren't fake. You still cannot prove they are fake. Keep arguing, it's fun  ;D . If they enhance how a bodybuilder appear, that would go for any bodybuilder on video. Sorry, try again.

You're saying that the yates quotes mean more than the Ronnie quotes? LOL, you couldn't even quote 3 people saying yates is the greatest. Get out of here with that shyt.

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Re: 1999 Olympia, DVD screencaps look nothing like real life....
« Reply #144 on: June 17, 2008, 10:38:57 AM »
Why did you waste time typing that bs? LOL. Ad populum cannot be used in a sport which is based on opinions and numbers. Sorry, but you don't know what the f*ck you're talking about.

Thanks for admitting the pics aren't fake. You still cannot prove they are fake. Keep arguing, it's fun  ;D . If they enhance how a bodybuilder appear, that would go for any bodybuilder on video. Sorry, try again.

You're saying that the yates quotes mean more than the Ronnie quotes? LOL, you couldn't even quote 3 people saying yates is the greatest. Get out of here with that shyt.

Man you're stupid ! no argument ad populum can be used in ANY sport especially considering the nature of comparing past champions to current ones and the sport is based on CRITERIA not opinions of the masses , this isn't American Idol the results aren't the end product of audience voting get a clue kid , 13 judges decide who meets the criteria better not everyone in attendance

and thanks for admitting the pics aren't fake? WTF I never claimed they were I only claimed they were photoshopped to enhance how he looked and it gives on a FALSE representation of how he appeared. again obviously someone wasn't happy with how Ronnie originally looked so they changed it , thats deceptive and pathetic

I'm not saying either quotes are more valid than the other , especially considering the subjective nature of the topic I'm saying  because YOU think the popular opinion is more numerous its right and its not thats flat out wrong its a textbook example of an appeal to numbers

let me simplify this for you because you're obviously having trouble grasping the concept , 10 people say Dorian would beat Ronnie , ' 40 ' say Ronnie would beat Dorian , that doesn't mean you're right because more agree thats a fallacious argument if you think otherwise you're ignorant period.

being such a subjective topic NO ONE is right or wrong , you just prove my point that the typical Coleman fans is a complete moron and Hulkster backs you up with each post as does Neoseminole and pumpster .

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Re: 1999 Olympia, DVD screencaps look nothing like real life....
« Reply #145 on: June 17, 2008, 10:42:38 AM »
If everyone in that list can be replaced with in yates favour, then do it. I challenge any yates guy to go ahead and do so. Yeah, I thought so  ::)

ND, is a moron that thinks he knows more than anyone on that list which includes his heroes Mcgough and yates. He picks and chooses which quotes to use and when he gets out quoted he brings up "ad populum", but the moron doesn't realize that using an "ad populum" argument in bodybuilding is contradicting yourself. The botton line is, bodybuilding is based on Popular Opinion: Judging/Judges and Points: Scorecards/Rounds. His argument is weak & pathetic. He is dumber than I thought.

Google "ad populum" and you will see that ND is a moron and doesn't even know how to use "ad populum" in an argument, especially in this sport, LOL.

See above dummy ! this sport is NOT bases on popular opinion this isn't American Idol where the masses choose , the minority chooses who has the superior physique based on a set of criteria

40 ' experts ' ( Greg Valentino according to you is an ' expert ' lmmfao ) all say Ronnie would beat Yates so there for Ronnie would beat Yates WRONG period , the ONLY thing that proves is its a POPULAR OPINION that Ronnie would beat Yates NOT a true one  ;)


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Re: 1999 Olympia, DVD screencaps look nothing like real life....
« Reply #146 on: June 17, 2008, 10:45:04 AM »
You are aware that you can over sharpen video in post production?

When you use the "Unsharp Mask" filter in Photoshop or in post production video software you are affecting the contrast between the edges within the image. The amount of sharpening an image requires is determined by many factors. Resolution of image, final image size, and obviously personal choice. An important factor is the subject of the image.

Take a shot of a beautiful woman for a skin care ad campaign and you would use selective sharpening - the eyes would be sharpened but you'd leave the skin. In fact most beauty images are "blurred" in the skin areas.
Now take a shot of a bodybuilder. We want to make him look as sharp as possible. So we open in Photoshop, use unsharp mask using a fairly high amount, with a wide radius and low threshold. Voila, we've increased the apparent graininess of the skin.

Neither of those images are "fake" but they've been enhanced. Another often used trick by a magazine in the business is to reduce the size of the head for an instant 20lb gain in muscle!

I have my own opinions on whether Ronnie or Dorian was better and they are based on having seen them at their best.

In your opinion, Ronnie is better.

But the photos you produce are not conclusive enough as the lighting, angles etc. is so different in each. Take the blurred shot of Dorian hitting a type of most muscular you posted at the start of this thread. Shoot that under the same conditions as the one of Ronnie and he would look entirely different - just look at the shot I did of him in '93 - Ronnie may still win, and the evidence would be more conclusive.







Great post ! this kid is to stupid to get it , he believes what he wants I've explained to him way to many times that pictures would NEVER replace actually being there and this is the same idiot who claimed he is just as qualified to judge contests sitting at home on his PC than the judges are in the front row lol

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Re: 1999 Olympia, DVD screencaps look nothing like real life....
« Reply #147 on: June 17, 2008, 02:25:54 PM »
If everyone in that list can be replaced with in yates favour, then do it. I challenge any yates guy to go ahead and do so. Yeah, I thought so  ::)

ND, is a moron that thinks he knows more than anyone on that list which includes his heroes Mcgough and yates. He picks and chooses which quotes to use and when he gets out quoted he brings up "ad populum", but the moron doesn't realize that using an "ad populum" argument in bodybuilding is contradicting yourself. The botton line is, bodybuilding is based on Popular Opinion: Judging/Judges and Points: Scorecards/Rounds. His argument is weak & pathetic. He is dumber than I thought.

Google "ad populum" and you will see that ND is a moron and doesn't even know how to use "ad populum" in an argument, especially in this sport, LOL.

this is all very true.

I have been explaining to ND that he has been using the term 'ad populum' incorrectly for over a year now..

but he is too stupid to get it. ::)
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Re: 1999 Olympia, DVD screencaps look nothing like real life....
« Reply #148 on: June 17, 2008, 02:32:27 PM »
what is so stupid about this whole thread is that an accusation has been made that Ronnie 99 screencaps were enhanced, for no other reason than someone thought he looked 'too good to be true" and thats the only 'proof' that anything was done..same with the video: Ronnie looks amazing and someone doesn't like it so they say that the video was 'oversharpened'..

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you know, a year after ForcedReps made the famous 'countdown to excuses' post, not only are the excuses still pouring in from ND and Co, but they are getting more and more unbelievable, more and more ridiculous and more and more stupid..

 ::)

its amazing the bullshit that these morons want people to believe.

next they will be claiming that Ronnie is an extra terrerstrial from the planet Testosterone and THATS WHY he looked better than Dorian..

 ::)

actually, when you think about it, thats a lot more believable than the monster conspiracy theory of all screencaps and all the VHS and DVDs all being oversharpened, enhanced, faked, photoshopped and touched up...

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Re: 1999 Olympia, DVD screencaps look nothing like real life....
« Reply #149 on: June 17, 2008, 02:38:14 PM »
what is so stupid about this whole thread is that an accusation has been made that Ronnie 99 screencaps were enhanced, for no other reason than someone thought he looked 'too good to be true" and thats the only 'proof' that anything was done..same with the video: Ronnie looks amazing and someone doesn't like it so they say that the video was 'oversharpened'..

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you know, a year after ForcedReps made the famous 'countdown to excuses' post, not only are the excuses still pouring in from ND and Co, but they are getting more and more unbelievable, more and more ridiculous and more and more stupid..

 ::)

its amazing the bullshit that these morons want people to believe.

next they will be claiming that Ronnie is an extra terrerstrial from the planet Testosterone and THATS WHY he looked better than Dorian..

 ::)

actually, when you think about it, thats a lot more believable than the monster conspiracy theory of all screencaps and all the VHS and DVDs all being oversharpened, enhanced, faked, photoshopped and touched up...

 ::)

Oh give it up jackass you're exposed and so it your buddy for photoshopping them , you went on a tangent on how great these screencaps were and all the time they were worked you've been exposed twice now once by a professional graphic artist and again by one of the best contest photographers of all-time

what else are you going to say? oh gee I'm sorry I didn't know , of course not you're to stupid to admit fault so you just continue to act like nothing is wrong , the best part is Ronnie looked great in 99 but your buddy didn't think so hence why he fucked with the pics and you kept posting them lol you hinged your whole opinion on these screencaps and in the end like the truce thread is was all for nothing

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