Is this a good pre-time bed meal?

[Mark Kerr]

Because, AS YOU know, fried food is a notorious junk that everybody know and still you try to put it in your diet.
You dont have a couple of balls to do strict diet?

What?

[The Master]

lol, debussey, i am not refering to any diet in particular. i am only telling you that it IS possible to eat to a 'caloric' defecit but to have a net increase in total adipose mass at the end of the day. THIS IS POSSIBLE

In theory, this might be possible ceteris paribus. But you have not accounted for other factors that might inhibit the mechanism you are describing, thus, what you say MIGHT be true in theory.

But "in theory" is irrelevant. Unless you can show that your theory works in real life, then it's worthless. A theory that might or might not work, and that has a small chance of actually having merit is a worthless guide for ones diet. Maybe for a little experiment, but that's about it.

[candidizzle]

In theory, this might be possible ceteris paribus. But you have not accounted for other factors that might inhibit the mechanism you are describing, thus, what you say MIGHT be true in theory.

But "in theory" is irrelevant. Unless you can show that your theory works in real life, then it's worthless. A theory that might or might not work, and that has a small chance of actually having merit is a worthless guide for ones diet. Maybe for a little experiment, but that's about it.

dubussey...

these are facts


carbohydrate reult in rise in insulin levels
insulin is storeage hormone
fat is stored in adipose
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carbohydrate + fat = fat stored in adipose


how about this on

most fats decrease insulin sensitivity
decreased insulin sensitivity means when you eat carbohydrates you release far more insulin
carbs can only be stored as fat with high insulin levels
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carbs are more likely to be stored as fat when combined with fats (most fats)

[Bast000]

i don't eat carbs protein or fat.  those are all old fashioned.

[SweetMuscles]

Candi -- post a typical days diet in your regime

[candidizzle]

 lets seee....

today i woke up and took a handful of fish oil and green tea and did some ligth cardio on my stationary bike

then, we were out of oatmeal, so i ate 4 oatmeal bars from quaker...this eqauled 76 grams carbs , 6 g fats...  with thaq i had one chicken breat mixed with lettuce and i dipped my oatmeal bars into some whey/casien pudding micture (zero carbs or fats in the whey.casein)

i worked out about an hour and a half after that, and pre workout i drank 60 grams whey/casein (leg day)

post workout i took a handful of greens capsules, ate abowl of frosted flakes with 60 grams wehy/casein in it (the bowl of frosted flakes = about 80 grams carb and no fat )

then two hours later i had two cans dennisons 99% fat free chili with a couple pieces of whole wheat bread, a handful of fish oil, i think 4 caps egcg which is 600mg , and more greens capsules...

thats it so far today

[candidizzle]

oh, i put cinnamon into my pre workout shake and also into my post workout cereal/protein mix. and i used non fat milk in both of those as well.


and i have dranken 4 diet peach white teas from litpon, and two diet rootbeers from shasta

[candidizzle]

oh the chili has 4 grams fat, 40 grams protein, 58 grams carbs per can.  the whole whaeat bread has 1 g fat, 19 g carb per slice.

[SweetMuscles]

so you're eating way more carbs these days? you used to hate them all and advocate a high fat, high protein diet with most carbs being veggies.

[The Master]

dubussey...

these are facts


carbohydrate reult in rise in insulin levels
insulin is storeage hormone
fat is stored in adipose
------------------------------------
carbohydrate + fat = fat stored in adipose


how about this on

most fats decrease insulin sensitivity
decreased insulin sensitivity means when you eat carbohydrates you release far more insulin
carbs can only be stored as fat with high insulin levels
----------------------------------------------------
carbs are more likely to be stored as fat when combined with fats (most fats)

They might be facts yes, but you ARE NOT seeing them against the bigger picture. If the facts are true the way you present them, then you should gain fat on a calorie deficit diet. So far this has never been proven in science, thus, your reasoning is irrelevant, because we are not discussing theory here, but reality, and unless you can find a bunch of solid studies proving what you claim in real humans, then your arguments = worthless. Sorry bozo

[candidizzle]

so you're eating way more carbs these days? you used to hate them all and advocate a high fat, high protein diet with most carbs being veggies.

yes, well i do what works best for me, not what works best on paper. afrter hearing about stavios dieting on high carbs, and readin alot from alex a, i tried to give the low fat high carb high protein diet a shot. and it works very well for me. 

[Brutal_1]

They might be facts yes, but you ARE NOT seeing them against the bigger picture. If the facts are true the way you present them, then you should gain fat on a calorie deficit diet. So far this has never been proven in science, thus, your reasoning is irrelevant, because we are not discussing theory here, but reality, and unless you can find a bunch of solid studies proving what you claim in real humans, then your arguments = worthless. Sorry bozo

Have you started posting without taking your medication yet?!  Debuuuuuuuuuuusey  

[candidizzle]

They might be facts yes, but you ARE NOT seeing them against the bigger picture. If the facts are true the way you present them, then you should gain fat on a calorie deficit diet. So far this has never been proven in science, thus, your reasoning is irrelevant, because we are not discussing theory here, but reality, and unless you can find a bunch of solid studies proving what you claim in real humans, then your arguments = worthless. Sorry bozo

whats to prove, whether youve eaten zero calories or 5000 calories, it makes no differene . if you combine carbs and fats the chances are very very very high that all those fats will go to addipose, and that a larger% of the carbs will too.


pro/carb, OR pro/fat

theres a reason for that you know

[Croatch]

lets seee....

today i woke up and took a handful of fish oil and green tea and did some ligth cardio on my stationary bike

then, we were out of oatmeal, so i ate 4 oatmeal bars from quaker...this eqauled 76 grams carbs , 6 g fats...  with thaq i had one chicken breat mixed with lettuce and i dipped my oatmeal bars into some whey/casien pudding micture (zero carbs or fats in the whey.casein)

i worked out about an hour and a half after that, and pre workout i drank 60 grams whey/casein (leg day)

post workout i took a handful of greens capsules, ate abowl of frosted flakes with 60 grams wehy/casein in it (the bowl of frosted flakes = about 80 grams carb and no fat )

then two hours later i had two cans dennisons 99% fat free chili with a couple pieces of whole wheat bread, a handful of fish oil, i think 4 caps egcg which is 600mg , and more greens capsules...

thats it so far today

Did you get that off of Jay Cutlers website?

[candidizzle]

Did you get that off of Jay Cutlers website?

what do you mean by that ? because its high protein high carb low fat?

[SweetMuscles]

pro/carb, OR pro/fat

theres a reason for that you know

how far apart should they be?

[The Master]

whats to prove, whether youve eaten zero calories or 5000 calories, it makes no differene . if you combine carbs and fats the chances are very very very high that all those fats will go to addipose, and that a larger% of the carbs will too.


pro/carb, OR pro/fat

theres a reason for that you know

You just don't get it...

[candidizzle]

how far apart should they be?

lol you are not asking for real sweet muscles.

i am not stupid 

 and from the looks of you you know all of these answers very well


but hey, i answer anyway ! 

 its tough, because digestion rates for dietary fats is not set in stone. and for MIANLY that reason,   i really only recommend extra dietary fats in the last meal before sleep, without carbs. only extra fats during the day would be insulin sensitizing o3.    this makes sure your dietary fats are used for fuel and othe rbody functions, rather than wasted as a result of being in the blood when insulin gets raised from starch

[dr.chimps]

They might be facts yes, but you ARE NOT seeing them against the bigger picture. If the facts are true the way you present them, then you should gain fat on a calorie deficit diet. So far this has never been proven in science, thus, your reasoning is irrelevant, because we are not discussing theory here, but reality, and unless you can find a bunch of solid studies proving what you claim in real humans, then your arguments = worthless. Sorry bozo

LOL. I swear I had the exact conversation with young Master Candi not two weeks ago.

/'cept for the bozo part   

[Bobby]

yes, well i do what works best for me, not what works best on paper. afrter hearing about stavios dieting on high carbs, and readin alot from alex a, i tried to give the low fat high carb high protein diet a shot. and it works very well for me. 

Interesting! you used to hate carbs... what was his diet and what's yours now?
Mine currently is 200g carbs 200g protein 55g fat=2400cals

[The Master]

LOL. I swear I had the exact conversation with young Master Candi not two weeks ago.

/'cept for the bozo part   

It's like talking to a fucking wall

[candidizzle]

Interesting! you used to hate carbs... what was his diet and what's yours now?
Mine currently is 200g carbs 200g protein 55g fat=2400cals

dude i dont count anything. i eat pretty much as much as i want when i want. making sure to get enough protein and carbs every few hours.  probably, guesttimated...aroudn 400g carbs 400 g protien per day right now...fats limited to whats im my protein/carbs and alos my fish oil intake

[Bobby]

dude i dont count anything. i eat pretty much as much as i want when i want. making sure to get enough protein and carbs every few hours.  probably, guesttimated...aroudn 400g carbs 400 g protien per day right now...fats limited to whats im my protein/carbs and alos my fish oil intake

you call that a diet?

400g carbs!! you go from extreme to extreme...no carbs and then 400?

[candidizzle]

you call that a diet?

400g carbs!! you go from extreme to extreme...no carbs and then 400?

no no no

i was eating about 150 g per day every day up untill about a month ago. over the last month i have worked up ad up to what i am at now

which is, around, 400 g

i think i start to need more tho

[Bobby]

no no no

i was eating about 150 g per day every day up untill about a month ago. over the last month i have worked up ad up to what i am at now

which is, around, 400 g

i think i start to need more tho

aaah i see. but still, this is a cutting diet? and you eat 400g carbs? your calories must be quite high 3500 or more...