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Re: raw veggies
« Reply #25 on: July 28, 2008, 10:40:52 PM »
Here:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/071224125524.htm

In a finding that defies conventional culinary wisdom, researchers in Italy report that cooking vegetables can preserve or even boost their nutritional value in comparison to their raw counterparts, depending on the cooking method used.


I think as long as you don't fry them you're in good shape.
This is true.  The faster something is cooked, the more nutrients are preserved.  Roasting in the oven vs a Microwave can generate a difference somewhat.  Length of time cooking and temperature are the determinants.

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« Reply #26 on: July 28, 2008, 10:45:12 PM »
Disease prevention?   :)  I say 99% of Getbiggers live in the civilized world, not Ethiopia or Western Sudan. Diseases of concern, that we contract, are not prevented by vegetables.

Vegetables are fluff, nothing more.  
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Disease prevention?   :)  I say 99% of Getbiggers live in the civilized world, not Ethiopia or Western Sudan. Diseases of concern, that we contract, are not prevented by vegetables.

Vegetables are fluff, nothing more. 
Cancer is a disease. Heart Disease is a disease. Aging is even considered a disease.

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« Reply #28 on: July 28, 2008, 10:47:59 PM »
Losing is a disease.

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« Reply #29 on: July 28, 2008, 10:50:03 PM »
Disease prevention?   :)  I say 99% of Getbiggers live in the civilized world, not Ethiopia or Western Sudan. Diseases of concern, that we contract, are not prevented by vegetables.

Vegetables are fluff, nothing more. 
In September 2006, a long-term study concluded that taking Vitamin D can substantially cut the risk of pancreatic cancer  by up to 50%.

http://www.webmd.com/content/article/127/116673.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5334534.stm




Several studies, including one published on 1 June 2007, indicate that B vitamins such as B12, B6, and folate, can reduce the risk of pancreatic cancer when consumed in food, but not when ingested in vitamin tablet form. It would therefore be premature at this point in time to consume vitamins specifically with the hope of preventing pancreatic cancer.

http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/67/11/5553

http://www.upi.com/Consumer_Health_Daily/Briefing/2007/06/01/pancreatic_cancer_risk_cut_by_b6_b12/3712/


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Re: raw veggies
« Reply #30 on: July 28, 2008, 10:53:15 PM »
I could go on and on and on. 

Common Questions About Diet and Cancer

Developed by the American Cancer Society 2006 Nutrition and Physical Activity Guidelines Advisory Committee and approved by the American Cancer Society National Board of Directors on May 19, 2006.

This section is taken from the Complete Guide—Nutrition and Physical Activity for Cancer Prevention.

Because people are interested in the relationship that specific foods, nutrients, or lifestyle factors have to specific cancers, research on health behaviors and cancer risk is often reported on the news. No one study, however, provides the last word on any subject, and single news reports may put too much emphasis on what appear to be contradictory or conflicting results. In brief news stories, reporters cannot always put new research findings in their proper context. Therefore, it is rarely, if ever, advisable to change diet or activity levels based on a single study or news report. The following questions and answers address common concerns about diet and physical activity in relation to cancer.

Alcohol

Does alcohol increase cancer risk?

Yes. Alcohol raises the risk of cancers of the mouth, pharynx (throat), larynx (voice box), esophagus, liver, and breast, and probably of the colon and rectum. People who drink alcohol should limit their intake to no more than 2 drinks per day for men and 1 drink per day for women. A drink is defined as 12 ounces of beer, 5 ounces of wine, or 1.5 ounces of 80-proof distilled spirits. The combination of alcohol and tobacco increases the risk of some cancers far more than the effect of either drinking or smoking alone. Regular intake of even a few drinks per week is linked to a higher of breast cancer in women, especially in women who do not get enough folate. Women at high risk of breast cancer may want to consider not drinking any alcohol.

Antioxidants

What are antioxidants, and what do they have to do with cancer?

The body seems to use certain nutrients in vegetables and fruits to protect against damage to tissues that happens constantly as a result of normal metabolism (oxidation). Because such damage is linked with increased cancer risk, the so-called antioxidant nutrients are thought to protect against cancer. Antioxidants include vitamin C, vitamin E, carotenoids, and many other phytochemicals (chemicals from plants). Studies suggest that people who eat more vegetables and fruits, which are rich sources of antioxidants, may have a lower risk for some types of cancer. Clinical studies of antioxidant supplements are currently under way but have not yet proven to reduce cancer risk from vitamin or mineral supplements (also see entries for: beta-carotene, lycopene, vitamin E, supplements). To reduce cancer risk, the best advice at present is to get your antioxidants through food sources, rather than supplements.

Aspartame

Does aspartame cause cancer?

Aspartame is a low-calorie artificial sweetener that is about 200 times sweeter than sugar. Current evidence does not show any link between aspartame use and increased cancer risk. People with the genetic disorder known as phenylketonuria should avoid foods and drinks that contain aspartame.

Beta-carotene

Does beta-carotene reduce cancer risk?

Because beta-carotene, an antioxidant chemically related to vitamin A, is found in vegetables and fruits, and because eating vegetables and fruits is linked with a reduced risk of cancer, it seemed to make sense that taking high doses of beta-carotene supplements might reduce cancer risk. But the results of 3 major clinical trials show this is not the case. In 2 studies in which people were given high doses of beta-carotene supplements in an attempt to prevent lung cancer and other cancers, the supplements were found to increase the risk of lung cancer in cigarette smokers, and a third found neither benefit nor harm from them. Therefore, eating vegetables and fruits that contain beta-carotene may be helpful, but high-dose beta-carotene supplements should be avoided.

Bioengineered foods

What are bioengineered foods, and are they safe?

Bioengineered foods are made by adding genes from other plants or organisms to make a plant more resistant to pests and slow spoilage. Some genes improve flavor, nutrient composition, or make the food easier to transport. In theory, these added genes might create substances that could cause harmful reactions among sensitized or allergic individuals. But there is no evidence at this time that the substances found in bioengineered foods now on the market are harmful or that they would either increase or decrease cancer risk because of the added genes.

Calcium

Is calcium related to cancer?

Several studies have suggested that foods high in calcium might help reduce the risk for colorectal cancer, and that using calcium supplements modestly reduces the formation of colorectal adenomas (polyps). But there is also evidence that a high calcium intake, mainly through supplements, is linked with increased risk for prostate cancer, especially for prostate cancers that are more aggressive. In light of this, both men and women should try to get the recommended levels of calcium, mainly from food sources. Recommended intake levels of calcium are 1,000 mg/day for people ages 19 to 50 years and 1,200 mg/day for people older than 50. Dairy products are excellent sources of calcium, as are some leafy vegetables and greens. People who get much of their calcium from dairy products should select low-fat or non-fat choices to reduce their intake of saturated fat.

Cholesterol

Does cholesterol in the diet increase cancer risk?

Cholesterol in the diet comes only from foods with animal sources -- meat, dairy products, eggs, and animal fats such as butter or lard. Although some of these foods (for example, processed and red meats) are linked with higher risk of certain cancers, at this time there is little evidence that this increased risk is specifically related to cholesterol. Lowering blood cholesterol reduces heart disease risk, but there is no evidence that lowering blood cholesterol affects cancer risk.

Coffee

Does drinking coffee cause cancer?

Caffeine may worsen symptoms of fibrocystic breast lumps (a type of benign breast disease) in some women, but there is no evidence that it increases the risk of breast cancer or other types of cancer. The link between coffee and cancer of the pancreas, which got a lot of attention in the past, has not been confirmed by recent studies. There does not appear to be any link between coffee drinking and cancer risk.

Fat

Will eating less fat lower cancer risk?

There is little evidence that the total amount of fat a person eats affects cancer risk. But diets high in fat tend to be high in calories and may contribute to obesity, which in turn is linked with an increased risk of several types of cancer. There is evidence that certain types of fats, such as saturated fats, may increase cancer risk. There is little evidence that other types of fat (omega-3 fatty acids, found mainly in fish), monounsaturated fatty acids (found in olive and canola oils), or other polyunsaturated fats reduce cancer risk.

Fiber

What is dietary fiber, and can it prevent cancer?

Dietary fiber includes a wide variety of plant carbohydrates that humans cannot digest. Specific categories of fiber are "soluble" (like oat bran) or "insoluble" (like wheat bran and cellulose). Soluble fiber helps to reduce blood cholesterol, which lowers the risk of coronary heart disease. Good sources of fiber are beans, vegetables, whole grains, and fruits. Links between fiber and cancer risk are weak, but eating these foods is still recommended. These foods contain other nutrients that may help reduce cancer risk and have other health benefits.

Fish

Does eating fish protect against cancer?

Fish is a rich source of omega-3 fatty acids. Studies in animals have found that these fatty acids suppress cancer formation or slow down cancer growth, but there is limited evidence of a possible benefit in humans.

While eating fish rich in omega-3 fatty acids is linked with a reduced risk of heart disease, some types of fish (large predatory fish such as swordfish, tilefish, shark, and king mackerel) may contain high levels of mercury, polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs), dioxins, and other environmental pollutants. Women who are pregnant, breast-feeding, or planning to become pregnant, and young children should not eat these fish. People should vary the types of fish they eat to reduce the chance of exposure to toxins.

Research has not yet shown whether taking omega-3 or fish oil supplements produces the same possible benefits as eating fish. .

Fluorides

Do fluorides cause cancer?

Extensive research has looked at the effects of fluorides given as dental treatments or added to toothpaste, public water supplies, or foods on cancer risk. Fluorides have not been found to increase cancer risk.

Folate

What is folate, and can it prevent cancer?

Folate is a B vitamin found in many vegetables, beans, fruits, whole grains, and fortified breakfast cereals. Since 1998, all grain products in the United States have been fortified with folate. Too little folate may increase the risk of cancers of the colon, rectum, and breast, especially in people who drink alcoholic beverages. Current evidence suggests that to reduce cancer risk, folate is best obtained by eating vegetables, fruits, and enriched grain products.

Food additives

Do food additives cause cancer?

Many substances are added to foods to preserve them and to enhance color, flavor, and texture. New additives must be cleared by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) before entering the food supply. Rigorous testing in animals to look for any effects on cancer is done as part of this process. Additives are usually present in very small quantities in food, and no convincing evidence has shown that any additive at these levels causes human cancers.

Garlic

Can garlic prevent cancer?

The health benefits of the allium compounds contained in garlic and other vegetables in the onion family have been publicized widely. Garlic is currently under study for its ability to reduce cancer risk. There is not enough evidence at this time to support a specific role for this vegetable in cancer prevention.

Genetics

If our genes determine cancer risk, how can diet help prevent cancer?

Damage to the genes that control cell growth can be either inherited or acquired during life. Certain types of mutations or genetic damage can increase the risk of cancer. Nutrients in the diet can protect DNA from being damaged. Physical activity, weight control, and diet might delay or prevent the development of cancer in people with an increased genetic risk for cancer. The interaction between diet and genetic factors is an important and complex topic, and a great deal of research is under way in this area.

Irradiated foods

Do irradiated foods cause cancer?

No. Radiation is used more often to kill harmful organisms on foods in order to extend their "shelf life." Radiation does not stay in the foods after treatment, and eating irradiated foods does not appear to increase cancer risk.

Lycopene

Will lycopene reduce cancer risk?

Lycopene is the red-orange carotene pigment found mainly in tomatoes and tomato-based foods and to a lesser extent in pink grapefruit and watermelon. Several studies have reported that intake of tomato products reduces the risk of some cancers, but whether lycopene is the nutrient responsible is uncertain. Even if lycopene in foods is linked with lower risk for cancer, it can't be concluded that high doses taken as supplements would be either more effective or safe.

Meat: cooking and preserving

Should I avoid processed meats?

Some studies have linked eating large amounts of processed meat to increased risk of colorectal and stomach cancers. This connection may or may not be due to nitrites, which are added to many luncheon meats, hams, and hot dogs to maintain color and to prevent bacterial growth. Eating processed meats and meats preserved by methods involving smoke or salt increases exposure to potential cancer-causing agents and should be reduced as much as possible.

How does cooking meat affect cancer risk?

Adequate cooking is required to kill harmful germs in meat. But some research suggests that frying, broiling, or grilling meats at very high temperatures forms chemicals that might increase cancer risk. Although these chemicals can damage DNA and cause cancer in animals, it is not clear how much they (as opposed to other substances in meat) may contribute to the increased colorectal cancer risk seen in people who eat large amounts of meat in some studies. Techniques such as braising, steaming, poaching, stewing, and microwaving meats produce fewer of these chemicals.


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Re: raw veggies
« Reply #31 on: July 28, 2008, 10:54:21 PM »
Obesity

Does being overweight increase cancer risk?

Yes. Being overweight or obese is linked with an increased risk of cancers of the breast (among women after menopause), colon, endometrium, esophagus, kidney, and possibly other sites as well. Although research on whether losing weight reduces cancer risk is limited, some research suggests that weight loss does reduce the risk of breast cancer. Because of other proven health benefits, people who are overweight are encouraged to lose weight. Avoiding excessive weight gain in adulthood is important not only to reduce cancer risk but also to reduce the risk of other chronic diseases.

Olive oil

Does olive oil affect cancer risk?

Intake of olive oil is linked with a reduced risk of heart disease, but is most likely neutral with respect to cancer risk. Although olive oil is a healthy alternative to butter and margarine, it is still a dense source of calories and should be used in moderation.

Organic foods

Are foods labeled "organic" more effective in lowering cancer risk?

The term organic is popularly used to designate plant foods grown without pesticides and genetic modifications. At this time, no research exists to demonstrate whether such foods are more effective in reducing cancer risk than are similar foods produced by other farming methods.

Pesticides and herbicides

Do pesticides in foods cause cancer?

Pesticides and herbicides can be toxic when used improperly in industrial, agricultural, or other occupational settings. Although vegetables and fruits sometimes contain low levels of these chemicals, overwhelming scientific evidence supports the overall health benefits and cancer-protective effects of eating vegetables and fruits. At present there is no evidence that residues of pesticides and herbicides at the low doses found in foods increase the risk of cancer, but fruits and vegetables should be washed thoroughly before eating.

Physical activity

Will increasing physical activity lower cancer risk?

Yes. People who engage in moderate to vigorous levels of physical activity are at a lower risk of developing colon and breast cancer than those who do not. Risk is lowered whether or not the activity affects the person's weight. Data for a direct effect on the risk of developing other cancers is more limited. Even so, obesity and being overweight have been linked to many types of cancer, and physical activity is a key factor in reaching or staying at a healthy body weight. In addition, physical activity has helpful effects against heart disease and diabetes.

Phytochemicals

What are phytochemicals, and do they reduce cancer risk?

The term phytochemicals refers to a wide variety of compounds made by plants. Some of these compounds protect plants against insects or perform other important functions. Some have either antioxidant or hormone-like actions both in plants and in the people who eat them. Because consuming vegetables and fruits reduces cancer risk, researchers are looking for specific compounds responsible for the helpful effects. At this time, no evidence has shown that phytochemicals taken as supplements are as good for you as the vegetables, fruits, beans, and grains from which they are extracted.

Saccharin

Does saccharin cause cancer?

No. In rats, high doses of the artificial sweetener saccharin can cause bladder stones to form that can lead to bladder cancer. But saccharin does not cause bladder stones to form in humans. Saccharin has been removed from the list of established human carcinogens by the US National Toxicology Program.

Salt

Do high levels of salt in the diet increase cancer risk?

Studies in other countries link diets that contain large amounts of foods preserved by salting and pickling with an increased risk of stomach, nasopharyngeal, and throat cancer. No evidence suggests that moderate levels of salt used in cooking or in flavoring foods affect cancer risk.

Selenium

What is selenium, and can it reduce cancer risk?

Selenium is a mineral that contributes to the body's antioxidant defense mechanisms. Animal studies suggest that selenium protects against cancer. One study has shown that selenium supplements might reduce the risk of lung, colon, and prostate cancer in humans. But repeated and well-controlled studies are needed to confirm whether selenium is helpful in preventing these cancers. High-dose selenium supplements are not recommended, as there is only a narrow margin between safe and toxic doses. The maximum dose in a supplement should not exceed 200 micrograms (this is 2/10th of a milligram) per day.

Soy products

Can soy-based foods reduce cancer risk?

Soy-derived foods are an excellent source of protein and a good alternative to meat. Soy contains several phytochemicals, some of which have weak estrogen activity and appear to protect against hormone-dependent cancers in animal studies. At this time there is little data showing that soy supplements can help reduce cancer risk. High doses of soy could possibly increase the risk of estrogen-responsive cancers, such as breast or endometrial cancer.

Women with breast cancer should take in only moderate amounts of soy foods as part of a healthy, plant-based diet. They should not ingest very high levels of soy in their diet or take concentrated sources of soy such as soy-containing pills or powders, or supplements containing high amounts of isoflavones.

Sugar

Does sugar increase cancer risk?

Sugar increases calorie intake without providing any of the nutrients that reduce cancer risk. By promoting obesity and elevating insulin levels, high sugar intake may indirectly increase cancer risk. White (refined) sugar is no different from brown (unrefined) sugar or honey with regard to their effects on body weight or insulin. Limiting foods such as cakes, candy, cookies, sweetened cereals, and high-sugar beverages such as soda can help reduce sugar intake.

Supplements

Can nutritional supplements lower cancer risk?

There is strong evidence that a diet rich in fruits, vegetables, and other plant-based foods may reduce the risk of cancer. But there is no proof at this time that supplements can reduce cancer risk. Some high-dose supplements may actually increase cancer risk.

Can I get the nutritional effects of vegetables and fruits in a pill?

No. Many healthful compounds are found in vegetables and fruits, and these compounds most likely work in together to produce their helpful effects. There are also likely to be important compounds in whole foods that are not included in supplements, even though these compounds have not been identified. The small amount of dried powder in the pills that are sold as being equivalent to vegetables and fruits often contains only a small fraction of the levels contained in the whole foods.

Food is the best source of vitamins and minerals. Supplements, however, may be helpful for some people, such as pregnant women, women of childbearing age, and people whose dietary intakes are restricted by allergies, food intolerances, or other problems. If a supplement is taken, the best choice is a balanced multivitamin/mineral supplement containing no more than 100% of the "Daily Value" of most nutrients.

Tea

Can drinking tea reduce cancer risk?

Some researchers have suggested that tea might protect against cancer because of its antioxidant content. In animal studies, some teas (including green tea) have been shown to reduce cancer risk, but findings from human population studies are mixed. At this time, tea has not been proven to reduce cancer risk in humans.

Trans-saturated fats

Do trans-saturated fats increase cancer risk?

Trans-saturated fats are made when oils such as margarines or shortenings are hydrogenated to make them solid at room temperature. Recent evidence shows that trans-fats raise blood cholesterol levels. Their relationship to cancer risk has not been determined, but people are advised to eat as few trans-fats as possible.

Vegetables and fruits

Will eating vegetables and fruits lower cancer risk?

In most of the studies looking at large groups of people, eating more vegetables and fruits has been linked to a lower risk of lung, oral, esophageal, stomach, and colon cancer. Because we don't know which of the many compounds in these foods are most helpful, the best advice is to eat 5 or more servings of an assortment of colorful vegetables and fruits each day. (This means at least 5 servings of fruits and vegetables when added together, for instance, 4 servings of vegetables plus 1 serving of fruit.

What are cruciferous vegetables, and are they important in cancer prevention?

Cruciferous vegetables belong to the cabbage family and include broccoli, cauliflower, Brussels sprouts, and kale. These vegetables contain certain compounds thought to reduce the risk for colorectal cancer. The best evidence suggests that eating a wide variety of vegetables, including cruciferous and other vegetables, reduces cancer risk.

Is there a difference in nutritional values among fresh, frozen, and canned vegetables and fruits?

Yes, but they can all be good choices. Fresh foods are usually thought to have the most nutritional value. But frozen foods can often be more nutritious than fresh foods because they are often picked ripe and quickly frozen (whereas fresh foods may lose some of their nutrients in the time between harvesting and eating). Canning is more likely to reduce the heat-sensitive and water-soluble nutrients because of the high heat that must be used. Be aware that some fruits are packed in heavy syrup, and some canned vegetables are high in sodium (salt). Choose vegetables and fruits in a variety of forms, and pay attention to the label information.

Does cooking affect the nutritional value of vegetables?

Boiling vegetables, especially for long periods, can leach out their content of water-soluble (B and C) vitamins. Microwaving and steaming are the best ways to preserve these nutrients in vegetables.

Should I be juicing my vegetables and fruits?

Juicing can add variety to the diet and can be a good way to consume vegetables and fruits, especially if chewing or swallowing is a problem. Juicing also helps the body absorb of some of the nutrients in vegetables and fruits. But juices may be less filling than whole vegetables and fruits and often contain less fiber. Fruit juice in particular can account for quite a few calories if large amounts are drunk. Commercially juiced products should be 100% vegetable or fruit juices. They should also be pasteurized to kill harmful germs.

Vegetarian diets

Do vegetarian diets reduce cancer risk?

Vegetarian diets include many healthful features. They tend to be low in saturated fats and high in fiber, vitamins, and phytochemicals. It is not possible to conclude at this time, however, that a vegetarian diet has any special benefits for the prevention of cancer. Diets including lean meats in small to moderate amounts can also be healthful. Strict vegetarian diets that avoid all animal products, including milk and eggs, should be supplemented with vitamin B12, zinc, and iron (especially for children and women after menopause).

Vitamin A

Does vitamin A lower cancer risk?

Vitamin A (retinol) is obtained from foods in 2 ways: it can be pre-formed from animal food sources (retinol) and made from beta-carotene in plant-based foods. Vitamin A is needed to maintain healthy tissues. Vitamin A supplements, whether in the form of beta-carotene or retinol, have not been shown to lower cancer risk, and high-dose supplements may, in fact, increase the risk for lung cancer in current and former smokers. And retinol can cause serious p roblems if too much is taken.

Vitamin C

Does vitamin C lower cancer risk?

Vitamin C is found in many vegetables and fruits, especially oranges, grapefruits, and peppers. Many studies have linked intake of foods rich in vitamin C to a reduced risk for cancer. But the few studies in which vitamin C has been given as a supplement have not shown a reduced risk for cancer.

Vitamin D

Does vitamin D lower cancer risk?

There is a growing body of evidence from studies that observie large groups of people (not yet tested in clinical trials) that vitamin D may have helpful effects on some types of cancer, including cancers of the colon, prostate, and breast. Vitamin D is obtained through skin exposure to ultraviolet (UV) radiation and through diet, particularly products fortified with vitamin D such as milk and cereals, and supplements. But many Americans do not get enough vitamin D.

The current national recommended levels of intake of vitamin D (200 to 600 IU per day) may not be enough to meet needs, especially among those with little sun exposure, the elderly, people with dark skin, and breastfed babies who only take in breast milk. More research is needed to define the best levels of intake and blood levels of vitamin D for cancer risk reduction, but recommended intake is likely to fall between 200 and 2,000 IU, depending on age and other factors. To reduce the health risks linked with UV radiation exposure while getting the most potential benefit from vitamin D, a balanced diet, supplementation, and limiting sun exposure to small amounts are the preferred methods of obtaining vitamin D.

Vitamin E

Does vitamin E lower cancer risk?

Alpha-tocopherol is the most active form of vitamin E and is a powerful antioxidant. In one study, male smokers who took alpha-tocopherol had a lower risk of prostate cancer compared with those who took a placebo. But several other studies have not found the same link. While studies now under way will help clarify this, the promise of alpha-tocopherol for reducing cancer risk appears to be dimming.

Water and other fluids

How much water and other fluids should I drink?

Drinking water and other liquids may reduce the risk of bladder cancer, as water dilutes the concentration of cancer-causing agents in the urine and shortens the time in which they are in contact with the bladder lining. Drinking at least 8 cups of liquid a day is usually recommended, and some studies show that even more may be helpful.

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Re: raw veggies
« Reply #32 on: July 29, 2008, 01:04:38 AM »
if your eating them for the vitamins minerals and anti dioxidants you dont want frozen veggies anyways.

but i love frozen green beans, frozen okra, frozen veggies of all kinds.. ill take a couple bags of those, microwave them, cover them in salt,,, and go to townn !!! (late night snack LOL)
BINGO


YOU NEED FRESH VEGGIES RAW FOR THE BIOAVAILABLE NUTRIENTS THAT THEY POSSES. ANY OTHER WAY THEY BECOME DEAD...DEAD FIBER.

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« Reply #33 on: July 29, 2008, 02:26:21 AM »
Fozen is fine.
You need the fibrous ones especially at night when you are dieting.
Besides, who just wants to have straight protein at night? I'd be chewing my leg off with hunger.
Follow it up with a tuna shake ((water + sugar free cordial (Raro here in NZ)) before bed.
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Re: raw veggies
« Reply #34 on: July 29, 2008, 03:16:33 AM »
Losing is a disease.

As contagious as Polio.

Haha, ok "Memo Paris"

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« Reply #35 on: July 29, 2008, 05:09:57 AM »
FUck vegetables. Only phags eat them.
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« Reply #36 on: July 29, 2008, 05:54:40 AM »
i'm shocked by the ignorant comments :-\

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« Reply #37 on: July 29, 2008, 06:02:01 AM »



Frozen veggies are fine...stop making life so complicated
just not good enough

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« Reply #38 on: July 29, 2008, 07:06:16 AM »


Frozen veggies are fine...stop making life so complicated

no no no, you're forgetting about the agro/industrial complex and new world order of consumerism that's aimed at killing and malnurishing all their paying customers. come on!
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Re: raw veggies
« Reply #39 on: July 29, 2008, 07:07:59 AM »


Frozen veggies are fine...stop making life so complicated
You get way more for your dollar with fresh vegetables.

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« Reply #40 on: July 29, 2008, 07:08:45 AM »
You get way more for your dollar with fresh vegetables.
and they taste better too.
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« Reply #41 on: July 29, 2008, 07:11:47 AM »
I think what we're trying to say here is Bast needs to man the fuck up and try figuring out how to keep veggies fresh himself instead of using getbig.com as a perpetual crutch for his existence

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« Reply #42 on: July 29, 2008, 08:15:49 AM »
Adonis owning the phillisitines as usual.

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Re: raw veggies
« Reply #43 on: July 29, 2008, 08:31:31 AM »
Totally wrong and ignorant for too many reasons to list, disease prevention being the largest.


Dr. Duke's Farmacy, the online phytochemical and ethnobotanical database provides much insight into the chemical profile of thousands of different edible plants(including fruits and vegetables).

One of the least known but most fundamental principles of healthy eating, and it's brought out in the database, is that phytochemicals, the chemicals in plants that help our bodies, form part of a synergy when they are absorbed by the body. Which means they WORK TOGETHER to aid our body in infinite ways. This means that we cannot simply take supplements, because they DO NOT WORK to their full capacity WITHOUT THEIR COMPLEMENTARY CHEMICALS. It also means that the object of healthy eating is NOT the most antioxidant capacity, but the widest possible variety of healthy foods to complete the synergy of phytochemicals.


One final note, take a look at Dr. Duke's Database. You will notice some remarkable things in there. Antioxidant and antiinflammatory properties are just the tip of the Iceberg. There are literally hundreds of activities and superactivities just waiting to be uncovered.

p.s. Dr James A Duke is a 30 year veteran with the USDA and has authored 29 books on ethnobotany and botanopharmacology. 

www.ars-grin.gov/duke/

well i've seen seemingly unbiased practical and video studies on comparisons (like a consumers choice magazine) between the nutritional data on all 4 types of preparation (fresh, boiled, steamed, microwaved) each done with either fresh or frozen, and there was very little data fluctuation...

maybe it was a conspiracy?

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« Reply #44 on: July 29, 2008, 09:00:14 AM »
well i've seen seemingly unbiased practical and video studies on comparisons (like a consumers choice magazine) between the nutritional data on all 4 types of preparation (fresh, boiled, steamed, microwaved) each done with either fresh or frozen, and there was very little data fluctuation...

maybe it was a conspiracy?

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« Reply #45 on: July 29, 2008, 12:22:31 PM »
eat organic or die!

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« Reply #46 on: July 29, 2008, 12:37:12 PM »
eat organic or die!

eat normal and die anyway. It's not like your cheating death eating this other stuff.
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« Reply #47 on: July 29, 2008, 12:45:44 PM »


Post a pic or it doesn't happen.

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« Reply #48 on: July 29, 2008, 12:55:44 PM »
Frozen veggies are better than no veggies. I don't really eat too many while bulking up, but when I'm dieting down I eat a lot more of them. Usually a lot of broccoli with lemon juice (fucking CHRONIC!!) or Chinese vegetables.

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« Reply #49 on: July 29, 2008, 03:38:44 PM »
eat normal and die anyway. It's not like your cheating death eating this other stuff.
possibly, but you mite live that last 20 yrs without an oxygen tank strapped to your wheelchair and alot less visits to the chemo ward.

quality of life could be the difference :)