We're at war with people who have control of OUR OIL

[24KT]

Jag, part of the COIN strategy is to do just that, we found guys who could be reasoned with, who found other guys who decided that 300 buck a month and a stable country was better then eventually living in a ditch being hunted by angry 18 year old Americans.
Hugo....it was in our best interest to be around the oil....so no arguement there. It was in our interest to make sure Saddam did not invade his neighbors or support terrorists. It was in our interest to make sure he did not have or develop WMD's. I belive and will go to my grave believe that Bush and the intel community thought he had wmds of some kind. They did ignore any contridictory intel, which there wasn't much, but anything that did not fit the picture was discarded. We dod it all the time, even in our private lives. If it were me, I'd look at history and ask the CIA why they think he's got wmds if they've never ever predicated correctly a country having or not having them.  Either way,we're there and we have found a solution to the Iraq war. COIN.

I think it's a lot more than $300 a month, so much more than you could hardly call it coin.

I wonder how far all that money would go if it were used to provide American's with healthcare, possibly keep homeowners from losing their homes and joining the ranks of the criminally desperate? I wonder how far those funds would go if they were used to provide Americans with a University education like so many 3rd world countries do for their citizens?

[headhuntersix]

Its American...not everybody is entitled to a college education or worthless socialist healthcare...and yes its about 300 bucks per SOI. There are about 93,000 of them.

COIN.....Counterinsurgen cy strategy.

[Hugo Chavez]

Jag, part of the COIN strategy is to do just that, we found guys who could be reasoned with, who found other guys who decided that 300 buck a month and a stable country was better then eventually living in a ditch being hunted by angry 18 year old Americans.
Hugo....it was in our best interest to be around the oil....so no arguement there. It was in our interest to make sure Saddam did not invade his neighbors or support terrorists. It was in our interest to make sure he did not have or develop WMD's. I belive and will go to my grave believe that Bush and the intel community thought he had wmds of some kind. They did ignore any contridictory intel, which there wasn't much, but anything that did not fit the picture was discarded. We dod it all the time, even in our private lives. If it were me, I'd look at history and ask the CIA why they think he's got wmds if they've never ever predicated correctly a country having or not having them.  Either way,we're there and we have found a solution to the Iraq war. COIN.

actually the facts point to the CIA NOT providing adequate intell to support a case for WMD and war.  That is why they created their own intelligence agency out of the pentagon to support the case.  It is here where virtually all the material released turns out to be bogus.  The yellow cake from Nigeria, the Iraq meeting with Attah or some shit.  That crap all came out of the pentagon because the CIA said it wasn't there.  The motive of lying is backed by the downing street memos.  The end story no matter what IS that the intel was being fixed around the policy for war.  Yes you're right, we're there now, we can't go back and stop it so there is now an obligation to get it right.  I'm happy the surge worked.  I hope that Iraq can indeed realize a better nation out of it.  But you'll pardon me for not trusting the people calling the shots at any point knowing what they did.

[24KT]

Its American...not everybody is entitled to a college education or worthless socialist healthcare...and yes its about 300 bucks per SOI. There are about 93,000 of them.

COIN.....Counterinsurgen cy strategy.

In many 3^rd world backwater countries, the governments provide free education from kindergarten to university,
...but a great nation like the US can't bring themselves to step up to the plate like 3^rd world backwater countries.

I know what the acronym stands for, ...I was making a witty pun. Mea culpa, I forgot what I was dealing with. 


"If you are planning for a year, sow rice; If you're planning for a decade, plant trees;
If you're planning for a lifetime, educate people" --Chinese proverb

[Fury]

In many 3^rd world backwater countries, the governments provide free education from kindergarten to university,
...but a great nation like the US can't bring themselves to step up to the plate like 3^rd world backwater countries.

I know what the acronym stands for, ...I was making a witty pun. Mea culpa, I forgot what I was dealing with. 


"If you are planning for a year, sow rice; If you're planning for a decade, plant trees;
If you're planning for a lifetime, educate people" --Chinese proverb

Many backwater 3rd world countries have barely any people in their college systems. Meanwhile, there are several million students in US colleges. But, let's no split hairs here, right? STFU.


In many third world backwater countries, people bathe in the same rivers they defecate in and eat sand. Should the US follow suit? 

[OzmO]

Its American...not everybody is entitled to a college education or worthless socialist healthcare...and yes its about 300 bucks per SOI. There are about 93,000 of them.

Yeah,  everyone in Canada and Britain are just about all dead.   

Dude, you're turning into a neo-con mouthpiece and you don't even know it.

Take your ownership of your brain back.

[24KT]

Yeah,  everyone in Canada and Britain are just about all dead.   

Dude, you're turning into a neo-con mouthpiece and you don't even know it.

Take your ownership of your brain back.

Now you're just asking too much of him. You gotta understand...
He was built for the battle. He was created for the conflict.He get's off on warfare! 

[headhuntersix]

How many stories are out there of the worthless socialist medical systems in both countries....defend it all u want but not here, and not on my dime. How many 3rd world shitholes have u been to jag, the ones I've been to don't show much progress with all that college education. People are not entitled to an education furnished by Unlce Sam, if thats going to be the case, they better establish a service program so we get something out of these people. We're not a socialist country as hard as u would love us to be. Socialism breeds mediocrity.

[youandme]

How many 3rd world shitholes have u been to jag, the ones I've been to don't show much progress with all that college education.

She lives in Canada, I'd say that counts for something along those lines.

[headhuntersix]

I love Canada, to visit. 50% taxes and wack job politics....These idiots disbanded perhaps the best Airborne Bde in existance because of PC bullshit.

[youandme]

You know what Glen is right.

We are at war with people that have control of our oil, and those people are the democrats that are in Congress, and their leader Nancy Pelosi. Who refuse to discus America's energy crisis. Rather than debate the issue, they burrow their heads in the sand, and ask for oil reserves. Their leader Obama tells people to turn their AC units up, and inflate their car's tires. They say no to nuclear energy and no to drilling, but YES to foreign oil investment.

Democratic 9% approval rating congress - yes we are at war with them. 

[headhuntersix]

They had to shut down Congress to protect obama and his no drill position. If they debated this, Obama would look like a fool. This is a major position that the Repubs can exploit and win with. The Dems no it, so off to vacation they go.

[youandme]

The American people won't stand for it. GOP looked like American men and women, the Democrats looked like fools and children, wanting to close their ear and run home.

[Hugo Chavez]

jesus, this thread went everywhere but the point

[headhuntersix]

We stayed on message for almost one page, stop bitiching. 

[TerminalPower]

You know what Glen is right.

We are at war with people that have control of our oil, and those people are the democrats that are in Congress, and their leader Nancy Pelosi. Who refuse to discus America's energy crisis. Rather than debate the issue, they burrow their heads in the sand, and ask for oil reserves. Their leader Obama tells people to turn their AC units up, and inflate their car's tires. They say no to nuclear energy and no to drilling, but YES to foreign oil investment.

Democratic 9% approval rating congress - yes we are at war with them. 

Can i get an AMEN?

[headhuntersix]

AMEN.......youandme on point as usual. How can anybody be against drilling our own oil?

[chafed_nut_sack420]

 

[TerminalPower]

AMEN.......youandme on point as usual. How can anybody be against drilling our own oil?

Especially when the alternatives are NO guarantee to work and nobody knows when or what it'll be.  Fuel Cells?  Hydrogen?  Ethanol?  Solar? Hybrids? Tribrids? I think we should drill NOW AND FIND ALTERNATIVES IMMEDIATELY.  Drilling 7 years max...2 years minimum.  I stick with that while we work on the others.

Why can't any of these dumb ass politicians say that?  

[headhuntersix]

bridges..they don't friggen get it. do it all until product x comes out. Get us off foreign oil.

[OzmO]

Especially when the alternatives are NO guarantee to work and nobody knows when or what it'll be.  Fuel Cells?  Hydrogen?  Ethanol?  Solar? Hybrids? Tribrids? I think we should drill NOW AND FIND ALTERNATIVES IMMEDIATELY.  Drilling 7 years max...2 years minimum.  I stick with that while we work on the others.

Why can't any of these dumb ass politicians say that?  

2 to 7 years to effect prices?   i think not.

besides aren't 68 million acres already alloted? 

[TerminalPower]

2 to 7 years to effect prices?   i think not.

besides aren't 68 million acres already alloted? 

OH it's true, what do you think?  The refinery in N/S Dakota isn't built and heard two at the earliest.  Talk to me!

[OzmO]

OH it's true, what do you think?  The refinery in N/S Dakota isn't built and heard two at the earliest.  Talk to me!

Honestly,  i think off shore drilling is the right thing to do.  But i don't think it will make much of a difference anytime soon.  So in my mind it's a sucker issue.  Set up by the repubs to help shore up swing votes.

[headhuntersix]

If u know where the oil is..u can builld, float and sinka rig withing 2 years...that can't hurt.

[youandme]

2 to 7 years to effect prices?   i think not.

besides aren't 68 million acres already alloted? 

If they could find the oil, offer an explanation as to why they would not want to drill on that land (68 million acres) when they DO want to drill off the coast.

Mind you 10 years ago, Clinton wrote this same situation off, so it's not to increase the demand and lower supply, that was done 10 years ago by Clinton.

Obvious answer is - no oil on that land as the research teams had already told the oil companies the chances were very slim, and this is cited in the land lease agreements, and other court papers that no guarantee of oil on that land, holding no party responsible for coming up dry.