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Re: Just to let you know: Georgia has now officialy declared war on Russia
« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2008, 08:35:59 AM »
This is the second time I've heard this via people, but not news.  Is there any news link on this incident?
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Re: Just to let you know: Georgia has now officialy declared war on Russia
« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2008, 08:38:14 AM »
Maybe someday folks in these areas of the world will get their crap together and settle the hell down

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Re: Just to let you know: Georgia has now officialy declared war on Russia
« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2008, 08:40:34 AM »
This is the second time I've heard this via people, but not news.  Is there any news link on this incident?
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However, Georgia continues to suffer from the unresolved secessionist conflicts in Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Relations with Russia remain tense over these issues as well as Georgia’s aspiration of NATO membership

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Re: Just to let you know: Georgia has now officialy declared war on Russia
« Reply #28 on: August 09, 2008, 08:40:50 AM »
This is the second time I've heard this via people, but not news.  Is there any news link on this incident?

god why don't you try cnn?

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Re: Just to let you know: Georgia has now officialy declared war on Russia
« Reply #29 on: August 09, 2008, 08:41:32 AM »
Maybe someday folks in these areas of the world will get their crap together and settle the hell down

hahah because you guys aren't the most war loving country in the world ::)

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Re: Just to let you know: Georgia has now officialy declared war on Russia
« Reply #30 on: August 09, 2008, 08:41:36 AM »
CNN is focusing upon why Russia is attacking them.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/09/georgia.ossetia/index.html

The rest of the world seems to be focusing upon Russia admitting they leveled an entire city.

That 2000 death toll is going to be about twenty-fold higher :(

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Re: Just to let you know: Georgia has now officialy declared war on Russia
« Reply #31 on: August 09, 2008, 08:43:15 AM »
Wrong! What's up with that stupid mewling noise they make? Makes me want to slap'em and walk outta the room.  >:(

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Re: Just to let you know: Georgia has now officialy declared war on Russia
« Reply #32 on: August 09, 2008, 08:45:17 AM »
This is the second time I've heard this via people, but not news.  Is there any news link on this incident?
Found it: http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/09/georgia.ossetia/index.html

TBLISI, Georgia (CNN) -- Georgia's parliament Saturday approved a request by President Mikhail Saakashvili's to impose a "state of war," as the conflict between Georgia and Russia escalated, Georgian officials said.

Saakashvili accused Russia of launching an unprovoked full-scale military attack against his country, including targeting civilian homes, while Russian officials insist their troops were protecting people from Georgia's attacks on South Ossetia, a breakaway Georgian region that borders Russia.

Russia's Interfax news agency said the death toll was at least 2,000 killed in the capital of South Ossetia and claimed the city has been destroyed.

Separatist-backed South Ossetian sources reported that about 1,600 people have died and 90 have been wounded in provincial capital Tskhinvali since Russian forces entered the territory Thursday.

Georgia said the overall death toll would be closer to 100.

Georgian officials said Russia has mobilized its Black Sea fleet off the coast of Abkhazia, another breakaway Georgian province.

Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin arrived Saturday in Vladikavkaz, near Russia's border with Georgia, Russia's Interfax reported.

Meanwhile, President George Bush, speaking from Beijing, called for an immediate halt to the violence, a stand-down by all troops, and an end to the Russian bombings. 

The Georgian "state of war" order is not a formal declaration of war, and stops short of declaring martial law, according to Georgian officials who described it to CNN.

It gives Saakashvili powers he would not ordinarily have, such as issuing curfews, restricting the movement of people, or limiting commercial activities, those officials said.

It places the government on a 24-hour alert, said Georgian National Security Council Secretary Alexander Lomaia during a conference call with reporters.

Saakashvili asked Western leaders to pressure Russia to agree to an immediate cease-fire, which he said his country would willingly observe first.

"We are dealing with absolutely criminal and crazy acts of irresponsible and reckless decision makers, which is on the ground producing dramatic and tragic consequences," Saakashvili said Saturday afternoon.

A White House spokesman said President Bush spoke Saturday evening to Saakashvili and Russian President Medvedev.

The war, Saakashvili said, "is not about South Ossetia. It has never been in the first place. It is about destroying a small democratic nation aspiring to live in peace, freedom and liberty."

"This unprovoked, long-time-ago-planned invasion and aggression must stop," he said.

Russia, with a population of 146 million, is trying to destroy his country of 4.6 million people, he said, comparing it to the 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

"I think what is at stake here is the post-Cold War order," Saakashvili said.

Inna Gagloyeva, spokeswoman for the South Ossetian Information and Press Committee, told Russia's Interfax news agency that Tskhinvali was being "massively shelled" with artillery guns.

It was unclear which side was in control of that city on Saturday. The Georgians said fighting raged, but the Russians said they had "liberated" the city.

"Battalion task forces have fully liberated Tskhinvali of Georgian armed forces and started pushing Georgian units out of the area of responsibility of the peacekeeping forces," said General Vladimir Boldyrev, commander of the Russian Ground Forces, in an interview with Interfax.

Colonel-General Anatoly Nogovitsyn, a spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry, told a news conference that the Russian paratroopers will "implement the operation of enforcing peace" on both sides.

Nogovitsyn also confirmed that Georgians had shot down two Russian aircraft. Saakashvili said his military has shot down 10 Russian bombers.

Russia said the troops were also reinforcing the Russian peacekeepers already in South Ossetia.

"Our peacekeepers, along with reinforcement units, are currently conducting an operation to force the Georgian side to accept peace," Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said at the Kremlin. "They are also responsible for protecting the population."

Interfax said 15 peacekeepers were killed in the Friday attack by Georgian troops. Russia has opened a criminal probe into their deaths, Interfax reported.

Georgia, a former Soviet Republic, is a pro-Western ally of the United States intent on asserting its authority over South Ossetia and Abkhazia. which both have strong Russian-backed separatist movements.

Russia moved troops into South Ossetia early Friday after Georgia launched an operation in the breakaway region when its unilateral cease-fire was met with what it said was artillery fire from separatists that killed 10 people, including peacekeepers and civilians.

Russia charged that Georgia had targeted its peacekeepers stationed in the region.

Medvedev said Saturday that Georgia must be held responsible for the situation in South Ossetia.

"The people responsible for this humanitarian disaster need to be held liable for what they have done," Medvedev said. He said the humanitarian problems were caused by "the aggression launched by the Georgian side against the South Ossetian civilians and Russian peacekeepers."

Russian officials said more than 30,000 refugees have left South Ossetia and crossed into Russia over the past two days, since fighting began, Interfax reported.

Maia Kardava, a Red Cross spokeswoman in the Georgian capital of Tbilisi was unable to provide refugee or casualty figures Saturday morning because she said aid workers were still gathering information and visiting hospitals in South Ossetia and western Georgia.

Russian forces bombed several targets in Georgia on Saturday, according to Kardava and the British Foreign Office, which advised against all nonessential travel to Georgia.

Russian aircraft bombarded military and civilian targets the port town of Poti, on Georgia's Black Sea coast, Kardava and British and Georgian officials said. Eight Georgians were killed in the port town, Georgian officials said.

In the town of Senaki, just inland from Poti, Russian forces damaged a railway line, a military base, and a center housing civilians who fled from nearby Abkhazia.

Military bases at Vaziani and Marneuli also came under attack, the British Foreign Office said, and Russian aircraft bombed the Georgian town of Gori, about 35 miles northwest of Tbilisi, Georgian officials said.

Inside South Ossetia, civilians have been without water, electricity, and basic services for more than a day, Kardava said. She said the Red Cross was unable to reach colleagues based in Tskhinvali because their phones had lost power and they were huddled in bomb shelters.

Also Saturday, the commander of Georgian troops stationed in Iraq said the 2,000 soldiers there will be withdrawn from Iraq "very soon."

Colonel Bondo Maisuradze said the United States would provide the transport to get them out of Iraq. He said he had no time frame for the move.

Saakashvili told CNN Friday that the troops were needed in Georgia to defend against the Russian military.
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Re: Just to let you know: Georgia has now officialy declared war on Russia
« Reply #33 on: August 09, 2008, 08:58:20 AM »
Let's call it what it is...

Russia wanted to starve them, but it wasn't working.  Since 2006 they've been sanctioning them on everything.  They know that hitting them once Obama is (possibly) in office could mean trouble.  Doing it on Bush's watch means the US cannot - say - sheeit - to them for it, since Bush did the same thing.

Perhaps we'll see more of this... nations 'getting in' their licks before Bush leaves office.  President Obama might be headed to the UN on news of this, to get the whole world to condemn it and start resolutions against Rus.  Right now?  Hell, the UN human rights division is re-investigating 911 as an inside job.  Bush doesn't have room to say a word to russia.

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Re: Just to let you know: Georgia has now officialy declared war on Russia
« Reply #34 on: August 09, 2008, 10:14:13 AM »
Uh. You mean a MAD war, or a Risk-type war.

/the answer is yes....and no  :-\
US vs. Russia who would win? I just think the russians have been gearing themselves up a long time and we have been spreading ourselves thin.

And some say should we attack iran, russia will try to help them

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Re: Just to let you know: Georgia has now officialy declared war on Russia
« Reply #35 on: August 09, 2008, 10:23:50 AM »
Let's call it what it is...

Russia wanted to starve them, but it wasn't working.  Since 2006 they've been sanctioning them on everything.  They know that hitting them once Obama is (possibly) in office could mean trouble.  Doing it on Bush's watch means the US cannot - say - sheeit - to them for it, since Bush did the same thing.

Perhaps we'll see more of this... nations 'getting in' their licks before Bush leaves office.  President Obama might be headed to the UN on news of this, to get the whole world to condemn it and start resolutions against Rus.  Right now?  Hell, the UN human rights division is re-investigating 911 as an inside job.  Bush doesn't have room to say a word to russia.

I agree that a first term President does have a certain amount of leverage from goodwill, but I think you overestimate the UN.

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Re: Just to let you know: Georgia has now officialy declared war on Russia
« Reply #36 on: August 09, 2008, 10:35:58 AM »
Perhaps we'll see more of this... nations 'getting in' their licks before Bush leaves office.  President Obama might be headed to the UN on news of this, to get the whole world to condemn it and start resolutions against Rus.  Right now?  Hell, the UN human rights division is re-investigating 911 as an inside job.  Bush doesn't have room to say a word to russia.

Dude what are you smoking? Obama, has no authority to go to the UN to do or say anything. Obama called for an end by means of "talks" yesterday. McCain called for US, UN, and NATO interference.

Obamanutters are def smoking something

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Re: Just to let you know: Georgia has now officialy declared war on Russia
« Reply #37 on: August 09, 2008, 10:44:50 AM »
time to sand Rambo in to kill them all....again.
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Re: Just to let you know: Georgia has now officialy declared war on Russia
« Reply #38 on: August 09, 2008, 11:20:29 AM »
Dude what are you smoking? Obama, has no authority to go to the UN to do or say anything. Obama called for an end by means of "talks" yesterday. McCain called for US, UN, and NATO interference.

The US President doesn't have the ability to approach the UN and initiate a resolution for human rights abuses or mass slaughter?  Buzzz... sorry.

My point is that countries are going to get their licks in while we have a cowboy in office, cause we can't say shit after taking iraq for oil and letting 911 happen.

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Re: Just to let you know: Georgia has now officialy declared war on Russia
« Reply #39 on: August 09, 2008, 11:30:36 AM »
China vs Russia.

All-out brawl.

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be there....

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Re: Just to let you know: Georgia has now officialy declared war on Russia
« Reply #40 on: August 09, 2008, 01:43:00 PM »
It's admirable what the Georgians are doing. Good for them!

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Re: Just to let you know: Georgia has now officialy declared war on Russia
« Reply #41 on: August 09, 2008, 01:49:30 PM »
No shit. 

It's like some D-III school taking on USC...  And being only down by 14 at halftime....


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Re: Just to let you know: Georgia has now officialy declared war on Russia
« Reply #42 on: August 09, 2008, 02:23:24 PM »
Let's call it what it is...

Russia wanted to starve them, but it wasn't working.  Since 2006 they've been sanctioning them on everything.  They know that hitting them once Obama is (possibly) in office could mean trouble.  Doing it on Bush's watch means the US cannot - say - sheeit - to them for it, since Bush did the same thing.

Perhaps we'll see more of this... nations 'getting in' their licks before Bush leaves office.  President Obama might be headed to the UN on news of this, to get the whole world to condemn it and start resolutions against Rus.  Right now?  Hell, the UN human rights division is re-investigating 911 as an inside job.  Bush doesn't have room to say a word to russia.

Well Bush claims that he looked into  Putins soul and found him to be a "good man" ;D

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Re: Just to let you know: Georgia has now officialy declared war on Russia
« Reply #43 on: August 09, 2008, 05:58:55 PM »
Wrong! What's up with that stupid mewling noise they make? Makes me want to slap'em and walk outta the room.  >:(

Care to explain what you mean, Chimpy?

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Re: Just to let you know: Georgia has now officialy declared war on Russia
« Reply #44 on: August 09, 2008, 06:00:11 PM »
hahah because you guys aren't the most war loving country in the world ::)

"uS GUYS" LIKELY WILL, OR WE ALREADY HAVE, PULLED YOUR ASS OUT OF THE GRIDDLE AT LEAST ONCE.

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Re: Just to let you know: Georgia has now officialy declared war on Russia
« Reply #45 on: August 09, 2008, 06:02:57 PM »
Let's call it what it is...

Russia wanted to starve them, but it wasn't working.  Since 2006 they've been sanctioning them on everything.  They know that hitting them once Obama is (possibly) in office could mean trouble.  Doing it on Bush's watch means the US cannot - say - sheeit - to them for it, since Bush did the same thing.

Perhaps we'll see more of this... nations 'getting in' their licks before Bush leaves office.  President Obama might be headed to the UN on news of this, to get the whole world to condemn it and start resolutions against Rus.  Right now?  Hell, the UN human rights division is re-investigating 911 as an inside job.  Bush doesn't have room to say a word to russia.

The UN...bahahaha

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Re: Just to let you know: Georgia has now officialy declared war on Russia
« Reply #46 on: August 09, 2008, 06:32:43 PM »
there are no russians left in south-ossetia, we have slaughtered them all

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Re: Just to let you know: Georgia has now officialy declared war on Russia
« Reply #47 on: August 10, 2008, 02:17:15 AM »
"uS GUYS" LIKELY WILL, OR WE ALREADY HAVE, PULLED YOUR ASS OUT OF THE GRIDDLE AT LEAST ONCE.

I'm German you old fool, and need for caps

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Re: Just to let you know: Georgia has now officialy declared war on Russia
« Reply #48 on: August 10, 2008, 06:41:15 AM »
The UN...bahahaha

So their resolution we used to justify invading iraq to pwn their oil ministry...

was that "bahahahaha", or did it totally legally cover our asses ;)

Some people believe the UN is only useful when it gives us the right to grab oil from other nations.

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Re: Just to let you know: Georgia has now officialy declared war on Russia
« Reply #49 on: August 10, 2008, 06:52:15 AM »
I wonder if border states like Alabama, South Carolinia, or Florida will get sucked into this mess?  :P