This is a round robin argument, we could do this all day long. I'm not regurgitating my assertions I've made throughout this thread... over and over...
Well, that is because you have common sense after all. I mean, you do have a right to do pretty much anything you want, like jerk off in your house in front of your grandmother, say "I fuck dicks the size of Ron Coleman's arm" while eating turkey on Thanksgiving day with your family, etc. What keeps you from doing stupid shit like that is something called "common sense", it's the little voice inside your head that Jim Carey talked about so much while doing his stand up routine.
I mean, when saying shit, no matter how many shemales are in the choir behind you, when alone... thinking, you eventually hit the wall and realize you just spent all this time and effort in saying something or making a point that is totally irrelevant and ends up making you sound like a total hypocrite. A death here is the same as a death in Iran, Australia or Burkina Fasso. Just because we justify it because of religious reasons or because we're spreading democracy (the new Christianity) is irrelevant.
I invite any of you to visit European or Asian political forums to notice how pissed off 95% of the world is at us for doing the "good deed".
What? I can criticise US/Britain for creating a situation which led to the death of a sinful amount of Iraqi people. But in making THAT criticism I don't have to bring in an argument of criticism of islamists do I, and vice versa.
Open a dedicated thread about the occupation if you want and I'll throw in my 2 cents.
What is it that you hate so much about bringing out the past of other religions when talking about Islam? One HUGE sign that an argument or debate is faulty is that one of the parties tries to condition it. You have tried to condition this argument by saying that you can discuss Islam by itself without bringing in the past of the Christian religion. I understand WHY you tried doing so (because it put you in a higher moral pedestal without making you look like a hypocritical SOB,) but faulty nonetheless.
I mean, you could've started the conversation by saying that some radical Islamic types are big time sons of bitches and I'd agree to that, as well as many other human beings, not because you are Christian or Muslim, but because you, the individual, the human being, haven't killed a soul (or so I think) and can speak about it from a higher moral standpoint.
The main problem with these type of debates is that we, I include myself, consciously toss everything into the pot: Instead of focusing our hate on that minority of Muslims that wants everyone dead unless they take the Mohamed "pledge," we extend the moral boundaries to include all Muslims, when many people know that moderate and liberal, yes liberal Muslims, they do exist; Muslims are scared shitless of the Taliban types, just as much as we are of them or we'd be if we could see what some of what our tax dollars are doing in Guantánamo or Iraq. It's much easier to criticize a country that is knee-deep in wholesale murder and then tries to hide it behind the veil of "democracy" than those who just kill.
Human beings are the same here or in China or India or Botswana. Any idea, religion or thought that makes this point invalid is a danger to human existence in this planet. That's how I see it.
