Post pics of the furthest you can get being natural!

[wavelength]

IMO we will never know the answer to the original question of this thread. Simply because, you can never be 100% sure if someone is a life-time natural (no hormones or pro-hormones). And yes, it is possible that even friends or family members lie. Considering that 90% of "naturals" are obviously not, my guess is that 90% of "pro-hormone-only" users are juicers and 90% of "AS-only" users have used everything there is.

[The True Adonis]

Your shit is pretty old.....you said I was on something when I posted a pic.  Closest thing to drugs I have been is watching a buddy shoot himself with test and equipose.  If you want to say prohormone for me....I did ONE bottle of nor-19....didnt anything worth buying a 2nd bottle.  That was back in the early 90's.  Since then all organizations have pretty much banned the prohormones so I am SOL on using them. 

In the end there will always be people like you who do use and love to point fingers at those who dont and say they do.  Are some of these guys in the thread bullshitters?  Absolutely.  But like I said, guys like Whitacre and Widner....if you ever see them up close...you would know they are not on things like that.

Insight Please.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=230543.0

[Krankenstein]

No insight needed.  I stated my case well enough Adam.  Since then its just been BCAA, creatine, glutamine, protein powder, and thermo's (ephedrine free).

Hope this doesn't detract from your opinion of me.....bottom line is that this "GH15" guy thinks that as soon as you reach a certain point you cant be drug free.  I know i would be right where I am today with ot without that one damn bottle of Nor-19.  I have done the smilax, boron, inosine, etc route to see if I could do it 'DRUG FREE".  I have, and I will continue to do so until I feel I longer want to compete in bodybuilding.  I have look at products a hell of a lot differently than I did back then.  I dont want to be putting things in me that will make my liver go "holy shit!!!  WTF was that???"

[Marty Champions]

people do not take advantage of there natural genetics and dont have faith inthemselves

i have more faith in myself than anyone i know, i was raised on the idea i could do anything. I always Plan to FAIL, but if you FAIL to plan then you FAIL

many do not experiment and only tried a few methods of dieting bulking and training

for me i started at 14 just messing around with weights, even back then i would do diet experiments!

every single day should be an experiment and every few or couple weeks you should make diet changes or training and document how you feel , how you look, and how much workouts' you are capable of in a day or a weeks time

the less you do the worse you will be probably. strive for a routine of diet and training that allows you to workout every day. any days you take OFF you are simply being a pussy or you just may be tired but thats ok too, i get mad at myself if im a pussy and take a day off, sometimes its not always my fault its a bad diet or smoking weed in the morning or the day time is really bad weed should be left to only at nights!

thinkabout it like this, if you take a day off, someone else is TRAINING and LEARNING and possibly losing fat at a greater rate than someone taking a day off. when you start taking days off one day can turn into two ...if you are simply burned out then its probably you are really burnt out or you need to ADD something to your diet like olive oil or protien or carbs

many of us forgets how much our diet can control our lives , we underestimate it drastically

[QuakerOats]

why aren't you huge if you lift everyday JF?

[Get Rowdy]

That's not him! The real Rowdy dude sports a porn 'stache.

  haha I've been 'stache free for a little while now.  Still plenty of time to grow a decent one for Movember though.  Plus chicks dig it    A kiss without a mustache is like soup without salt

[Marty Champions]

why aren't you huge if you lift everyday JF?

ive had the biggest quads in all of the getbigs you fool
plus im the tallest

thus that makes my bodyparts even more bigger than the rest of the competiton

i dwarf you and the rest. not boasting its just a fact the proof is in the pics

[QuakerOats]

ive had the biggest quads in all of the getbigs you fool
plus im the tallest

thus that makes my bodyparts even more bigger than the rest of the competiton

i dwarf you and the rest. not boasting its just a fact the proof is in the pics

hahahahaa, ok "big guy".

[Get Rowdy]

regrow the stache u look like 'Ron Avidans" weegar offspring


btw good improvements on the double bi, perfecting this pose is one of the first steps in fancying your gaymastery!!!

haha I will now be known as Rowd Avidan.
Thanks Falcon, your youtube videos are a source of inspiration in the quest for gaymastery.

[timfogarty]

I have done the smilax, boron, inosine, etc route to see if I could do it 'DRUG FREE". 

why would you use those chemicals if you wanted to see if you could do it drug free?   they may worthless drugs regarding muscle building, but they're certainly drugs.

Inosine is a nucleoside, a precursor to adenosine.  Inosine has been used to treat MS patients.  Inosine supplementation raises uric acid levels in the body.   sounds like a drug to me.

[Bones]

get that shit off your nails boy.

...is that some sort of nail fungus

[dearth]

i was wondering when you were going to jump in with the typical "the whole world is hormones!" idiotic rant.

only guys that are natural in those 11 page nonesense are the james kid and the guy with the back twards the camera in the last page,,that is it,,rest of guys been to hormones pro hormones and mnay other interesting candies chasing the muscle  mainly for the girls to like them ,,,and then just because they became ocd to lifting as part of look dysmorphia

remember friends,,taking hormones and related products does not necesseraly means size,,not eveyone wanna be 5'10 230...some like to be 180 chizeled dry veiny ,,some like to maintain swimmer model look so the girls like them better,,,every hormones has its place,,,

size comes only if you want it and eat for it or if not eating enough defenitely resting enough and that means ususally being jobless or having rich girl so you can sleep all day and go for your 1-2 hours in the gym ,,eat sleep compete and walk around to show off what you got ..this is bodybuilding

[Krankenstein]

why would you use those chemicals if you wanted to see if you could do it drug free?   they may worthless drugs regarding muscle building, but they're certainly drugs.

Inosine is a nucleoside, a precursor to adenosine.  Inosine has been used to treat MS patients.  Inosine supplementation raises uric acid levels in the body.   sounds like a drug to me.

You are classifying smilax as a drug???  WTF???  Are you retarded??  As far as what inosine was used for, do you honestly think that what was included back in the bottles was anywhere near what they would give MS patients?  Thats like someone saying the homeopathic GH formula is comparable to what they give people with achondroplasia.

[El_Pajero]

cutler last olympia press conference looking solid.

[timfogarty]

You are classifying smilax as a drug???  WTF???  Are you retarded?? 

did you see me use the word smilax?

As far as what inosine was used for, do you honestly think that what was included back in the bottles was anywhere near what they would give MS patients?  Thats like someone saying the homeopathic GH formula is comparable to what they give people with achondroplasia.

ok, so whether it is a drug or not depends on the concentration.   how much cypionate can you inject while remaining a drug free bodybuilder?

[musclehedz]

cutler last olympia press conference looking solid.

That's not jay cutler.

[Mark Kerr]

Adam - This is Doug.  I am clean and I am good friends with Kurt and he is too.  I'm not sure why all the doubt. When you truly live and breath bodybuilding, anything is possible.  I will not let the fact that I am natural limit what I can and cannot achieve. Why would you put limits on yourself?

Best,
Doug

You are not natural.

[Krankenstein]

did you see me use the word smilax?

ok, so whether it is a drug or not depends on the concentration.   how much cypionate can you inject while remaining a drug free bodybuilder?

I have done the smilax, boron, inosine, etc route to see if I could do it 'DRUG FREE".

why would you use those chemicals if you wanted to see if you could do it drug free?   they may worthless drugs regarding muscle building, but they're certainly drugs.

Right there you referred to them as drugs.  And once again, if you consider smilax, boron, or any of the other bullshit anecdotal supps from the 80's and 90's as drugs...wow....I shake my head.  I spent a shit load of money of worthless crap back then not realizing what a scam some of supplement industry was.

Oh, and how much cyp could someone use and be drug free?  Stupid question, no sense answering it.  Like I asked....are you seriously trying to equate the things that were out on the shelves in a vitamin store with legitimate pharmaceuticals? Use my example of the homeopathic GH versus the prescription-based GH please. 

[Van_Bilderass]

You are classifying smilax as a drug???  WTF???  Are you retarded??  As far as what inosine was used for, do you honestly think that what was included back in the bottles was anywhere near what they would give MS patients?  Thats like someone saying the homeopathic GH formula is comparable to what they give people with achondroplasia.

Tim is certainly not a retard. There are a lot of things you can buy at a supplement store that are OTC or prescription drugs also in other countries, or even in the US. This includes herbal extracts, minerals, vitamins and etc. There is no hard line between a nutritional supplement and a drug.

Even something like creatine can be called a drug and is in fact an Rx drug in some countries.

[njflex]

NEXT someone is going to say they failed a drug test for using cybergenics.

[GetItOnNY]

Boron, is not a drug, and is pretty much useless for bodybuilders.The old saying was Boron, is for morons, lol.We started saying this after all tried it and it didnt to crap, its useless.Smilax is just Sarsparilla which is just a root, that does nothing.Sarsparilla is just friggin root beer for gods sake !!!!Since when has Root Beer been considered anabolic or a drug ???Smilax, or Sarsparilla, is useless for bodybuilders, but its tastes good.So next time your drinks A&W or Barqs Root Beer, just remember how anabolic your soda is lmao

Boron:is a biologically active trace mineral which affects calcium, magnesium and phosphorus metabolism. Boron is known to support bone strength and structure in animals but its significance in humans is less certain.

Smilax, or Sarsparilla Root beer, also known as sarsaparilla, is a carbonated beverage originally created from sassafras. Root beer, popularized in North America, comes in two forms: alcoholic and soft drink.

[Stavios]

Camera Trick my friend.  Notice the "Dutch Angle", light and fuzzy quality.

Here is a better pic from the same time period to show just how obese that REALLY is.

Man,I cant believe you wore a string tank top at that bf% 

[timfogarty]

Boron, is not a drug, and is pretty much useless for bodybuilders.

anything in large enough doses can have drug-like effects on the body.

boron was one of the first scam supplements in the bodybuilding magazines.  there were ads for it in most every magazine throughout the 70s and into the 80s.  and it was all because of a single scientific study that showed boron supplementation raised testosterone levels in post-menopausal women with boron deficiencies.     publish the first part in your ad, skipping that second part, and it's free money!

Right there you referred to them as drugs.

I talked about inosine, which is most certainly a drug

And once again, if you consider smilax, boron, or any of the other bullshit anecdotal supps from the 80's and 90's as drugs...wow....I shake my head.  I spent a shit load of money of worthless crap back then not realizing what a scam some of supplement industry was.

but you who value being a drug free bodybuilder are more than willing to inject chemicals that you have no idea what their effect will be, but are taking them in the hope of making muscle gains.

Oh, and how much cyp could someone use and be drug free?  Stupid question, no sense answering it.  Like I asked....are you seriously trying to equate the things that were out on the shelves in a vitamin store with legitimate pharmaceuticals? Use my example of the homeopathic GH versus the prescription-based GH please. 

yes, picograms of gh will have no effect on the body.   but milligrams will.   but people take homeopathic doses of GH (Sprayflex) hoping to see results.  how can they take a supplement that they hope will have an effect on their body, and still see themselves as a drug free bodybuilder?

[timfogarty]

Younger brother at Age 21... 6'2 220-250 lbs depending on how cut he is at the time... all natural.

I think a lot more is acheivable without drugs than people believe.

1) his age

2) get down to 4-5% bodyfat as required for competition and see how much muscle mass he's able to hold on to

[Army of One]

Younger brother at Age 21... 6'2 220-250 lbs depending on how cut he is at the time... all natural.

Recently won the PA strongman contest for the Light Heavyweights.  Was the only person in his division to flip the 1250 lb tire.  Can bench press in the low 400's, Deadlift 405 lbs 15 times in 60 seconds, and does chinups with up to 4 plates around his waist. 

I think a lot more is acheivable without drugs than people believe.

Sick Legs.