Author Topic: I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person. (Read 21065 times)

dr.chimps · « **Reply #25 on:** August 25, 2008, 09:36:53 AM »

Nonsense. Lots of intelligent people who are *ahem* religious. Someone like a Thomas Merton could philosophically take us all on without breaking a sweat.

m8 · « **Reply #26 on:** August 25, 2008, 09:39:47 AM »

I judge religious people as my inferiors.

Tapeworm · « **Reply #27 on:** August 25, 2008, 09:47:00 AM »

Quote from: The True Adonis on August 25, 2008, 09:27:19 AM

Again, the letter was written in 1954. You are using semantics. He liked to use the word as a play. IT like when I say Goddamnit. I`m not asking god to damn something.

Not so. It is my interpretation that Einstein believed in God but not in human religious institutions. Most would view a belief in God as a religious belief, whether or not that person followed the dogma of a particular church. Are you saying that someone who believes in God but is not a follower of a church is not religious? That would be using the term in a narrower sense than what is widely accepted, so the semantic gamesmanship would lie with you.

I think you'd really enjoy Sagan's "Demon Haunted World" Adam. It's a fairly scathing analysis of religion's role in holding back humanity from scientific advancement.

The Coach · « **Reply #28 on:** August 25, 2008, 10:09:36 AM »

TA.....you don't anything about training, you don't know anything about nutrition, you don't know anything about religion, you constantly lie your ass off, one week you speak in proper english (or whatever) the next you say your family has the biggest Bently dealership in the state, the next your telling people you can DL 225x12........damn dude, you seriously have some problems with finding yourself, each day it's like you want to be something your not. You need help.

Then you come on here just to annoy.

Camel Jockey · « **Reply #29 on:** August 25, 2008, 10:10:56 AM »

Most religious people have serious faults in reasoning. When you challenge them, they react with anger because they can't refute points made by atheists.

Overall, atheists are much more intelligent.

Tapeworm · « **Reply #30 on:** August 25, 2008, 10:12:06 AM »

Quote from: The Coach on August 25, 2008, 10:09:36 AM

TA.....you don't anything about training, you don't know anything about nutrition, you don't know anything about religion, you constantly lie your ass off, one week you speak in proper english (or whatever) the next you say your family has the biggest Bently dealership in the state, the next your telling people you can DL 225x12........damn dude, you seriously have some problems with finding yourself, each day it's like you want to be something your not. You need help.

Then you come on here just to annoy.

Heh heh. It seems he has hit the mark.

The True Adonis · « **Reply #31 on:** August 25, 2008, 10:12:28 AM »

Quote from: The Coach on August 25, 2008, 10:09:36 AM

TA.....you don't anything about training, you don't know anything about nutrition, you don't know anything about religion, you constantly lie your ass off, one week you speak in proper english (or whatever) the next you say your family has the biggest Bently dealership in the state, the next your telling people you can DL 225x12........damn dude, you seriously have some problems with finding yourself, each day it's like you want to be something your not. You need help.

Then you come on here just to annoy.

The legend grows. I like to hear what you`ll invent next.

Topskin69 · « **Reply #32 on:** August 25, 2008, 10:13:12 AM »

This is truely an absurd statement. While I would wholehartedly agree that the majority of christians/religious people are at best naive, (and at worst foolish), there has been plenty of highly intelligent religious people that have influenced modern society.

Some examples: Soren Kierkegaard, Blaise Pascal, C.S. Lewis, Francis Bacon, Thomas Hobbes, Carl Jung, John Locke.... and this is just naming a few of the top of my head...

To think that one cannot even name one intelligent religious person, is an incredibly arrogant statement.

M!

"I assess the power of a will by how much resistance, pain, torture it endures and knows how to turn to its advantage" Nietzsche

The True Adonis · « **Reply #33 on:** August 25, 2008, 10:15:07 AM »

Quote from: Topskin69 on August 25, 2008, 10:13:12 AM

This is truely an absurd statement. While I would wholehartedly agree that the majority of christians/religious people are at best naive, (and at worst foolish), there has been plenty of highly intelligent religious people that have influenced modern society.

Some examples: Soren Kierkegaard, Blaise Pascal, C.S. Lewis, Francis Bacon, Thomas Hobbes, Carl Jung, John Locke.... and this is just naming a few of the top of my head...

To think that one cannot even name one intelligent religious person, is an incredibly arrogant statement.

M!

"I assess the power of a will by how much resistance, pain, torture it endures and knows how to turn to its advantage" Nietzsche

Add Jimmy Carter to that list!
I consider him pretty intelligent!

philborg · « **Reply #34 on:** August 25, 2008, 10:17:23 AM »

it's pretty hard to meet people who don't exist...

The True Adonis · « **Reply #35 on:** August 25, 2008, 10:18:06 AM »

I do enjoy hearing what you guys are coming up with. So far the majority are Philosophers and the like. Bernays and Freud>Jung by the way.

Camel Jockey · « **Reply #36 on:** August 25, 2008, 10:19:46 AM »

Bringing up guys like Newton and Locke doesn't work because they lived in a time when a show of faith was expected from everyone. Now religion doesn't really serve that same purpose in western society, and further many of today's scientists are either atheists or agnostic.

The True Adonis · « **Reply #37 on:** August 25, 2008, 10:22:54 AM »

Quote from: Camel Jockey on August 25, 2008, 10:19:46 AM

Bringing up guys like Newton and Locke doesn't work because they lived in a time when a show of faith was expected from everyone. Now religion doesn't really serve that same purpose in western society, and further many of today's scientists are either atheists or agnostic.

Also add to the fact that if they let it be known that they were not religious, the ostracizing, ridiculing and even life threatening consequences they would have had to endure from an ignorant public and bullying church.

Tapeworm · « **Reply #38 on:** August 25, 2008, 10:24:53 AM »

Yes but Jung's synchronicity was a big hit in the 80s with Sting. Honestly, can you picture Freud singing "Feed Ze Vorld?" $:-\$

Zaphod · « **Reply #39 on:** August 25, 2008, 10:25:21 AM »

Quote from: dr.chimps on August 25, 2008, 09:36:53 AM

Nonsense. Lots of intelligent people who are *ahem* religious. Someone like a Thomas Merton could philosophically take us all on without breaking a sweat.

These people haven't heard of the Jesuit order, I suppose. $:-\$

Top Dog · « **Reply #40 on:** August 25, 2008, 10:26:53 AM »

I disagree with Adonis and also think he's an idiot. Always have.

Zaphod · « **Reply #41 on:** August 25, 2008, 10:27:56 AM »

dr.chimps · « **Reply #42 on:** August 25, 2008, 10:28:35 AM »

Quote from: Zaphod on August 25, 2008, 10:25:21 AM

These people haven't heard of the Jesuit order, I suppose. $:-\$

That's funny. You know, I was going to mention Jesuit logic, argument or apologetics and just went with Merton because I can just see his Seven Story Mountain on one of my bookshelves.

Tapeworm · « **Reply #43 on:** August 25, 2008, 10:29:38 AM »

Kenneth Copeland. So there.

The True Adonis · « **Reply #44 on:** August 25, 2008, 10:33:28 AM »

Quote from: Tapeworm on August 25, 2008, 10:29:38 AM

Kenneth Copeland. So there.

LOL.

I do admire the ones who can fleece so many individuals to the point where there is an endless lot of sheep to slaughter which in turn produces endless piles of wool to cloth the Shepherd.

Topskin69 · « **Reply #45 on:** August 25, 2008, 10:35:40 AM »

You can also add William James to the list. His writings were the main influence behind pragmatism, and his theories are still felt in the psychological world to this day. I would also venture an opinion that he was more intellegent then Freud or Jung, but I realize I am most likely in the minortiy in that regard.

M!

DK II · « **Reply #46 on:** August 25, 2008, 10:52:48 AM »

Religion IS NOT ONLY monotheistic BS like islam, christianity etc, Adam.

There are endless intelligent people in religion, especially in buddhism.

Hope this helps.

Deicide · « **Reply #47 on:** August 25, 2008, 11:33:10 AM »

Quote from: Zaphod on August 25, 2008, 10:25:21 AM

These people haven't heard of the Jesuit ~~order~~ disorder, I suppose. $:-\$

Fixed.

Big Worm · « **Reply #48 on:** August 25, 2008, 11:34:07 AM »

Quote from: The True Adonis on August 25, 2008, 08:59:31 AM

Discuss.

I'm sure after meeting you ...People say the same exact thing..

240 is Back · « **Reply #49 on:** August 25, 2008, 11:35:53 AM »

Famous athiests... wow!

http://www.wonderfulatheistsofcfl.org/Quotes.htm

LMAO...

"I don't think we're here for anything, we're just products of evolution. You can say 'Gee, your life must be pretty bleak if you don't think there's a purpose' but I'm anticipating a good lunch."

-Dr. James Watson, American biologist, (Discoverer of DNA.)