Yes me. It wasn't the voices in your head.
Yeah in 97 he was just as big with the same fullness as in those black and white offseason photos. Is there oxygen on your planet? He looks like shit in 97 with tiny ripped up arms and his big gut which is probably why he weighed as much as he did. And his conditioning wasn't as good as in previous years, even his back was less impressive in fact all his muscles were since he was badly injured and couldn't go all out when traininig.
Let me spell it out for you, they don't count because he could never bring that physique to the stage ever. He looked like that for a very, very short period of time and then was never able to repeat that look ever again even in the offseason.
Bodybuilders should be compared by the contest package they bring to the stage otherwise Dennis James would be the uncrowned Mr Olympia because of all the great shots of him posing in the parking lot. It just doesn't work that way no matter how much you want it to.
And you have mentioned a number of times in other Ronnie vs Dorian threads that photos lie (and that would be contest photos) so why are the old Black and White shots of Dorian completely trustworthy? Oh that's right they are your main defence so if they support you then they have to be 100% reliable.
Yeah I do wonder why he never lost a symmetry round when competing against the likes of Flex Wheeler, Shawn Ray and others. Even in 97 when he had really bad arms and a big gut although maybe the fact that Dorian had a habit of befriending judges (Steve Weinberger) and lived and trained with that judge for 3 weeks before each contest had something to do with it.
As for Dorian winning because of muscular bulk, density, balance , proportion, posing, and presentation. That's bullshit he was constantly beaten from the front but was saved by his back and side tricep poses, so yeah taking everything into account his most muscular was not the most impressive on stage same with other poses from the front. Rear latspread he wins, side triceps as well, etc. Here are some pics of him getting owned hard from the front and there are many more.
Nice try but his bicep looked like complete shit after the tear and the other one quickly followed suit.
Yes me. It wasn't the voices in your head.
and you're who? just another fan-boy
a biased one at that who's already reduced Yates to nothing but a special back
Let me spell it out for you, they don't count because he could never bring that physique to the stage ever. He looked like that for a very, very short period of time and then was never able to repeat that look ever again even in the offseason.
Bodybuilders should be compared by the contest package they bring to the stage otherwise Dennis James would be the uncrowned Mr Olympia because of all the great shots of him posing in the parking lot. It just doesn't work that way no matter how much you want it to.
And you have mentioned a number of times in other Ronnie vs Dorian threads that photos lie (and that would be contest photos) so why are the old Black and White shots of Dorian completely trustworthy? Oh that's right they are your main defence so if they support you then they have to be 100% reliable.
I don't count because you say so LMFAO the debate which you know is who at their best NOT who at their best contest showing and in the opinions of many people who are much more knowledgeable than yourself this version of Yates is among his very best ever onstage or off and you're DEAD WRONG yet again about him never being able to match that shape ever again even offseason you are on a WRONG streak lol see pictures NONE of which are from the 93 photoshoot with the black socks
And what does Dennis James have to do with Dorian Yates? NOTHING Yates could maintain his conditioning at higher bodyweights and like many bodybuilder James can't seem to find that perfect combo
on the topic of pictures NOT being always truthful that's true and why can we trust the black & whites? because.................
......of the eyewitness testimony that accompanied it
and what is there not to trust? he simply looks better with more weight that's obvious the thing we can't always trust is the conditioning from pictures which is why an intelligent person would take it on the authority of another a very well respected other Peter McGough who described those pics as the same thing he the first time he seen Sergio Oliva and that speaks volumes
Yeah I do wonder why he never lost a symmetry round when competing against the likes of Flex Wheeler, Shawn Ray and others. Even in 97 when he had really bad arms and a big gut although maybe the fact that Dorian had a habit of befriending judges (Steve Weinberger) and lived and trained with that judge for 3 weeks before each contest had something to do with it.
Well allow me to teach YOU how bodybuilding is judged , see all rounds are physique rounds which means NO round in judged as individual distinct rounds symmetry alone is NOT just as a separate and distinct entity in the symmetry round , muscularity is not judged as a separate and distinct entity in the muscularity round the same with the posing rounds , ALL ROUNDS ARE PHYSIQUE rounds
when judging a contest in ANY round the judge looks at every single bit of the criteria at once in every single mandatory pose , muscular bulk , muscle density , muscle dryness , muscle balance , muscle proportion , posing , presentation , completeness. and its the competitor who meets ALL of this criteria the best is the winner , so while guys like Shawn Ray have great ' symmetry ' they're down in muscular bulk and balance they're not going to win , a guy like Nasser who has great muscular bulk but doesn't have great density & completeness he's not going to win
and your default position of judges is laughable I've explained to you Weinberger judged Yates once in his career and placed him second behind Momo so thats what it is , nonsense
As for Dorian winning because of muscular bulk, density, balance , proportion, posing, and presentation. That's bullshit he was constantly beaten from the front but was saved by his back and side tricep poses, so yeah taking everything into account his most muscular was not the most impressive on stage same with other poses from the front. Rear latspread he wins, side triceps as well, etc. Here are some pics of him getting owned hard from the front and there are many more.
No its NOT bullshit that's a FACT 13 individual judges all came to the same conclusion using the criteria they must adhere to , and sure Yates got owned in 1997 from the front sans latspread but he simply accumulated MORE of the mandatory poses and won the contest
Nice try but his bicep looked like complete shit after the tear and the other one quickly followed suit.
Boy you really know how to stick to the topic , it was 1993/1994 GET IT? and I posted a side-by-side of the two years his arms are almost the same size with the exception of one bicep being shorter than the other , same with 1995 as well , 1996 his arms were smaller than usual and 1997 he was a wreck but my original point stands and you're proven wrong as usual
