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Re: Obama: 'Lipstick on a pig'
« Reply #125 on: September 11, 2008, 12:20:43 PM »
Beach Bum, who votes for socialist politicians?  Rightwingers?  Or socialists?
Yes, I recall the 2004 republican convention where all delegates wore bandaids with little purple heart insignias along with flipflops.  A well informed crowd indeed.
I'm not assuming anything like you are.  I'm pointing out that support for McCain is support for Bush-style of governance.  That governance has resulted in the worst foreign policy blunder in American history, doubling the national debt, spying on americans, supporting torture and on and on.

Yet here are the McCain voters--ignoring the very real destructive results of Bush's policies--voting for their guy.

Repeating failed policies and hoping for different results is not only insane, it is willful stupidity.

Would you care to point out the difference btn McCain's 2008 platform and Bush's 2004 platform?      



There are more than "rightwingers" and "socialists" voting in this election.  I'm sure there will be independents and Republicans voting for the quasi-socialist in November.  That doesn't make those voters socialist.  I have a friend who is an admitted socialist who is voting for Obama and a friend who is conservative (but not a "rightwinger") who is voting for Obama.  You have professed "Republicans" on the board saying they will vote for Obama. 

Are you that much of a partisan that you have to insult an entire group of convention attendees?  As if both parties don't have fringe elements? 

I haven't done a comparison of the Bush 2004 and McCain 2008 platforms.  Do you have a link? 

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Re: Obama: 'Lipstick on a pig'
« Reply #126 on: September 11, 2008, 01:24:57 PM »
There are more than "rightwingers" and "socialists" voting in this election.  I'm sure there will be independents and Republicans voting for the quasi-socialist in November.  That doesn't make those voters socialist.  I have a friend who is an admitted socialist who is voting for Obama and a friend who is conservative (but not a "rightwinger") who is voting for Obama.  You have professed "Republicans" on the board saying they will vote for Obama. 

Are you that much of a partisan that you have to insult an entire group of convention attendees?  As if both parties don't have fringe elements? 

I haven't done a comparison of the Bush 2004 and McCain 2008 platforms.  Do you have a link? 
"Quasi-socialist"...that's cute. 

The Bush track record speaks for itself.  According to his platform, McCain is going to continue that record.  Anyone choosing McCain is putting party ahead of country.

At the 2004 convention, the entire herd was wearing the 'purple hearts' and flipflops.  It's not partisan to point out herdlike mentality and acts.

Here's one link of many sites illustrating the the sameness of Bush/McCain:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/03/12/mccain/index1.html

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Re: Obama: 'Lipstick on a pig'
« Reply #127 on: September 11, 2008, 03:07:13 PM »
"Quasi-socialist"...that's cute. 

The Bush track record speaks for itself.  According to his platform, McCain is going to continue that record.  Anyone choosing McCain is putting party ahead of country.

At the 2004 convention, the entire herd was wearing the 'purple hearts' and flipflops.  It's not partisan to point out herdlike mentality and acts.

Here's one link of many sites illustrating the the sameness of Bush/McCain:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/03/12/mccain/index1.html


Decker I can't believe you are saying anyone who votes for McCain "is putting party ahead of country."  That assumes that no Democrats or independents will vote for McCain.  It also assumes that every Republican who is voting for McCain is doing so solely because McCain is a Republican. 

I don't recall all of the delegates wearing flip-flops at the 2004 convention.  I guess it's possible, but I don't believe that.  Sounds like an overstatement. 

I read the link.  Thanks.  It says McCain agrees with Bush on Iraq, tax cuts, and NAFTA.  Not exactly a mirror image. 

I was watching Larry King last night and here is what Ari Fleischer had to say:


FLEISCHER: I think very close. I think the key for Obama is to do just what Arianna is trying to do, which is link John McCain to George Bush.

But having worked for George Bush, Larry, all I can tell us is John was a regular thorn in our side on a lot of issues. On global warming, he opposed George Bush. The treatment of prisoners at Guantanamo, he opposed George Bush. He's for stem cell research.

If John McCain is George Bush, then I'm Arianna Huffington. There is no connection. I think it's far-fetched. People say he voted with Bush 90 percent of the time. Half of those were JOHN journal votes and other meaningless votes that the Senate takes all the time.

John has brought this so such a close election because he is so independent. He is a maverick. And he's really got the Obama people off stride because he's re-enforcing that message with Sarah Palin.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/10/lkl.01.html

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Re: Obama: 'Lipstick on a pig'
« Reply #128 on: September 11, 2008, 03:50:48 PM »

I haven't done a comparison of the Bush 2004 and McCain 2008 platforms.  Do you have a link? 



Coming right up! Check out the Youtube video below: The similarities are uncanny. Same shit... different election!


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Re: Obama: 'Lipstick on a pig'
« Reply #129 on: September 11, 2008, 03:57:18 PM »
Voting for Bush in 2000 was understandable in my opinion.

Voting for Bush in 2004 was completely irresponsible, the people who re-elected him did this country a great disservice.
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Re: Obama: 'Lipstick on a pig'
« Reply #130 on: September 11, 2008, 04:12:10 PM »
Voting for Bush in 2000 was understandable in my opinion.

Voting for Bush in 2004 was completely irresponsible, the people who re-elected him did this country a great disservice.

And voting for a continuation of his policies in 2008 is like committing suicide.

There's a reason they call you OUT in baseball after 3 strikes.

But unlike baseball, ...you won't get another go at bat. It's the bottom of the 9th, 2 outs, the bases are loaded you're 3 runs behind, and you're up at bat. Your choices are... Pop fly McCain ... or Grand Slam Obama.

Mess it up this time, ...and it's game over. You will be fully deserving of the country you end up with! 
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Re: Obama: 'Lipstick on a pig'
« Reply #131 on: September 12, 2008, 12:54:38 PM »
And voting for a continuation of his policies in 2008 is like committing suicide.

There's a reason they call you OUT in baseball after 3 strikes.

But unlike baseball, ...you won't get another go at bat. It's the bottom of the 9th, 2 outs, the bases are loaded you're 3 runs behind, and you're up at bat. Your choices are... Pop fly McCain ... or Grand Slam Obama.

Mess it up this time, ...and it's game over. You will be fully deserving of the country you end up with! 

And, what happens if we "mess it up this time"? Are you and the other non-Americans are going to hold your breaths and turn blue?

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Re: Obama: 'Lipstick on a pig'
« Reply #132 on: September 12, 2008, 12:56:39 PM »
And, what happens if we "mess it up this time"? Are you and the other non-Americans are going to hold your breaths and turn blue?

no.  but the dollar will likely collapse.  hope you're ready for the caveman ages to return. 

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Re: Obama: 'Lipstick on a pig'
« Reply #133 on: September 12, 2008, 01:00:01 PM »
no.  but the dollar will likely collapse.  hope you're ready for the caveman ages to return. 

The dollar's problems have little to do with who's in the White House.


Coming right up! Check out the Youtube video below: The similarities are uncanny. Same shit... different election!




And, if the Dems don't get their heads out their behind, it will yield the same results: Another LOSS for another tax-and-spend liberal.


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Re: Obama: 'Lipstick on a pig'
« Reply #134 on: September 12, 2008, 01:02:06 PM »
Another LOSS for another tax-and-spend liberal.



As opposed to the borrow and spend even more Cocksucking Repugs?

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Re: Obama: 'Lipstick on a pig'
« Reply #135 on: September 12, 2008, 01:15:54 PM »
Its a major overexaggeration to say that McCain is Bush III.  Yes there are some similarities but historic differences as well.  The big question is how much do you want to be controlled and regulated by the government.  McCain can make a lot of changes without increasing government control and power.  McCain swung more to the right to secure the repub base, but historically he has been more independent...whereas, Obama has always been to the left of the democratic party.  We really don't know exactly what either of them will end up doing so you vote on record, personality, character and general philosophies.  Many things will change as soon as they get to the white house.  

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Re: Obama: 'Lipstick on a pig'
« Reply #136 on: September 12, 2008, 02:10:51 PM »
Its a major overexaggeration to say that McCain is Bush III.  Yes there are some similarities but historic differences as well.  The big question is how much do you want to be controlled and regulated by the government.

No, ...the big question how much do you want to be controlled and regulated by Saudi sheiks, Iraqi warmongers, Zaire & Nigerian dictators, Somali warlords etc., etc., ...because these are the ones who worked for McCains campaign for free. Do you think these guys did that out of the goodness of their hearts because they are true conservatives who want to see conservative evangelical christian values triumph, ...or do you think they want something out of the deal if he becomes president? What happens when they finally decide they want to be paid.

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 McCain can make a lot of changes without increasing government control and power.

Of course he can. He won't need any more government power, nor would he want it,
...he'd have Presidential power thanks to Bush/Cheney, and would seek to curtail any government oversight.


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 McCain swung more to the right to secure the repub base, but historically he has been more independent...whereas, Obama has always been to the left of the democratic party.

So what you're saying is that McCain will blow anyway the wind does?

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 We really don't know exactly what either of them will end up doing so you vote on record, personality, character and general philosophies.  Many things will change as soon as they get to the white house.  

We don't know what McCain would do other than to extend more warfare, more unemployment, and more crappy economy. He's already exhibited he is just another paid prostitute ...'cept it's the USA and the entire free world that will be fvcked. He's got bad judgement, and he's a selfish senile old coot. I don't know what it's going to take short of a major heart attack or stroke on the campaign trail to wake up many of you right wing types to realize the danger he & his decisions pose for America and the world.
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Re: Obama: 'Lipstick on a pig'
« Reply #137 on: September 12, 2008, 05:21:25 PM »
Jaguar do you ever make any observation that isn't spoon fed to you from a left-wing blog or that you didnt invent out of thin air because you "think" you know whats going on?

Actually, my question is this- In the history of mankind has any liberal ever done anything wrong politically or personally? Thats all. No strings attached. Just a simple question.

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Re: Obama: 'Lipstick on a pig'
« Reply #138 on: September 12, 2008, 05:22:51 PM »
Bump for answer. Didn't think so.

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Re: Obama: 'Lipstick on a pig'
« Reply #139 on: September 12, 2008, 06:05:24 PM »
Decker I can't believe you are saying anyone who votes for McCain "is putting party ahead of country."  That assumes that no Democrats or independents will vote for McCain.  It also assumes that every Republican who is voting for McCain is doing so solely because McCain is a Republican. 

I don't recall all of the delegates wearing flip-flops at the 2004 convention.  I guess it's possible, but I don't believe that.  Sounds like an overstatement. 

I read the link.  Thanks.  It says McCain agrees with Bush on Iraq, tax cuts, and NAFTA.  Not exactly a mirror image. 

I was watching Larry King last night and here is what Ari Fleischer had to say:


FLEISCHER: I think very close. I think the key for Obama is to do just what Arianna is trying to do, which is link John McCain to George Bush.

But having worked for George Bush, Larry, all I can tell us is John was a regular thorn in our side on a lot of issues. On global warming, he opposed George Bush. The treatment of prisoners at Guantanamo, he opposed George Bush. He's for stem cell research.

If John McCain is George Bush, then I'm Arianna Huffington. There is no connection. I think it's far-fetched. People say he voted with Bush 90 percent of the time. Half of those were JOHN journal votes and other meaningless votes that the Senate takes all the time.

John has brought this so such a close election because he is so independent. He is a maverick. And he's really got the Obama people off stride because he's re-enforcing that message with Sarah Palin.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/10/lkl.01.html
You make far too many assumptions with your with your assessment of the argument.  You are restating the matter at hand when it doesn't need to be restated to account for your assumptions.

The opinion of Ari Fleischer is irrelevant.  That jackass lied with impunity and answered critics by warning them to watch what they say. 

I'll look at the issues instead.  On that point, the only way McCain is 'independent' is if the Bush administration never existed.  They are damn near identical.  Only McCain is even more likely to use military force in foreign affairs.  http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/03/28/bush_mccain/

McCain's 2008 platfor is Bush's 2004 platform:

Iraq--more resources with an open ended commitment
Taxes--the more tax cuts across the board, the better
Soc. Sec--privatization
Prisoner interrogation--torture

Foreign policy:  fight the terrorists in IRAQ so we don't fight them here;

Domestic policy:  tax cuts, deregulation and staunch abortion/gun allegiance.

Voting for Bush's 3rd term for whatever reason is putting party/selfinterest ahead of country.  We've seen the Bush policies in action and they are disasterous.

What do you think?  Those policies got better with age?


McCain: “On The Transcendent Issues, The Most Important Issues Of Our Day, I Have Been Totally In Agreement And Support Of President Bush.” In a June 2005 interview on NBC’s “Meet The Press,” John McCain stated that he was a strong supporter of President Bush: “I have agreed with President Bush far more than I have disagreed. And on the transcendent issues, the most important issues of our day, I have been totally in agreement and support of President Bush. So have we had some disagreements on some issues—particularly domestic issues? Yes. But I will argue my conservative record voting with anyone’s, and I will also submit that my support for President Bush has been active and very impassioned on issues that are important to the American people. And I’m particularly talking about the war on terror, the war in Iraq, national security, national defense, support of men and women in the military, fiscal discipline, a number of other issues. So I strongly disagree with any assertion that I’ve been more at odds with the president of the United States than I have been in agreement with him.” [NBC, “Meet The Press,” 6/19/05]

McCain: Bush Is Just As Great A Leader As I Would Be. Chris Matthews: “Is he as good as you?” McCain: “Of course.” Chris Matthews: “Is he as good a leader as you’d be today?” McCain: “I’m sure he is. Yes. I don’t — I couldn’t compare myself to the president of the United States.” [MSNBC, 2/25/04]

McCain To Bush: “I Am Proud Of The Job You Are Doing.” McCain has also acted as a voice of support for the President personally, as he recounted. “I said, ‘… I’m proud of the job you are doing, and I wanted you to know that I will continue to do what I can to help.’” The New York Times reported that “Bush and Senator John McCain of Arizona are building a deepening if impersonal relationship that is serving the political needs of both men.” [New York Times, 7/3/06; Washington Post, 7/10/06]

McCain: I Will Defend George Bush’s Record. “I am proud of President Bush’s record on defense. And I will defend President Bush’s record.” [Fox News, 5/12/04]




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Re: Obama: 'Lipstick on a pig'
« Reply #140 on: September 12, 2008, 06:12:35 PM »


'Lipstick on a pig' is a common thing to say when refering to something windowdressed. Get it right, Gi-Joe.

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Re: Obama: 'Lipstick on a pig'
« Reply #141 on: September 12, 2008, 06:13:42 PM »
no.  but the dollar will likely collapse.  hope you're ready for the caveman ages to return. 

hahahahahahah stfu drama queen ;D

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Re: Obama: 'Lipstick on a pig'
« Reply #142 on: September 12, 2008, 07:15:51 PM »
According to 240 ( who is a phony independent that claims hes never voted democrat) America is on the verge of collapse, the dollar is going to be worth less than the paper its printed on and all the nations of the world are going to collaborate with Al-Queda and invade the country. Dont worry 240, I'm sure the new Euro-Queda regime will need a boot licking lackey around to tell them how smart and good looking they are. If American society collapses, you'll do OK.

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Re: Obama: 'Lipstick on a pig'
« Reply #143 on: September 12, 2008, 11:56:23 PM »
You make far too many assumptions with your with your assessment of the argument.  You are restating the matter at hand when it doesn't need to be restated to account for your assumptions.

The opinion of Ari Fleischer is irrelevant.  That jackass lied with impunity and answered critics by warning them to watch what they say. 

I'll look at the issues instead.  On that point, the only way McCain is 'independent' is if the Bush administration never existed.  They are damn near identical.  Only McCain is even more likely to use military force in foreign affairs.  http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/03/28/bush_mccain/

McCain's 2008 platfor is Bush's 2004 platform:

Iraq--more resources with an open ended commitment
Taxes--the more tax cuts across the board, the better
Soc. Sec--privatization
Prisoner interrogation--torture

Foreign policy:  fight the terrorists in IRAQ so we don't fight them here;

Domestic policy:  tax cuts, deregulation and staunch abortion/gun allegiance.

Voting for Bush's 3rd term for whatever reason is putting party/selfinterest ahead of country.  We've seen the Bush policies in action and they are disasterous.

What do you think?  Those policies got better with age?


McCain: “On The Transcendent Issues, The Most Important Issues Of Our Day, I Have Been Totally In Agreement And Support Of President Bush.” In a June 2005 interview on NBC’s “Meet The Press,” John McCain stated that he was a strong supporter of President Bush: “I have agreed with President Bush far more than I have disagreed. And on the transcendent issues, the most important issues of our day, I have been totally in agreement and support of President Bush. So have we had some disagreements on some issues—particularly domestic issues? Yes. But I will argue my conservative record voting with anyone’s, and I will also submit that my support for President Bush has been active and very impassioned on issues that are important to the American people. And I’m particularly talking about the war on terror, the war in Iraq, national security, national defense, support of men and women in the military, fiscal discipline, a number of other issues. So I strongly disagree with any assertion that I’ve been more at odds with the president of the United States than I have been in agreement with him.” [NBC, “Meet The Press,” 6/19/05]

McCain: Bush Is Just As Great A Leader As I Would Be. Chris Matthews: “Is he as good as you?” McCain: “Of course.” Chris Matthews: “Is he as good a leader as you’d be today?” McCain: “I’m sure he is. Yes. I don’t — I couldn’t compare myself to the president of the United States.” [MSNBC, 2/25/04]

McCain To Bush: “I Am Proud Of The Job You Are Doing.” McCain has also acted as a voice of support for the President personally, as he recounted. “I said, ‘… I’m proud of the job you are doing, and I wanted you to know that I will continue to do what I can to help.’” The New York Times reported that “Bush and Senator John McCain of Arizona are building a deepening if impersonal relationship that is serving the political needs of both men.” [New York Times, 7/3/06; Washington Post, 7/10/06]

McCain: I Will Defend George Bush’s Record. “I am proud of President Bush’s record on defense. And I will defend President Bush’s record.” [Fox News, 5/12/04]





I didn't make any assumptions.  I quoted you.  And instead of drawing inferences from your quotes, I asked you to clarify.  It sounds like I have a higher opinion of people who disagree with me than you do.  You've had your nose buried in those law books too long.   :)

Ari Fleischer irrelevant?  He knows what was going on in the White House better than either of us.  His comments are consistent with what many others have said.  In fact, when McCain was closing in on the nomination, there were a number of people on this board who called McCain a "liberal."  A number of conservative talking heads called McCain a liberal.  I don't recall anyone ever calling Bush a liberal. 

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Re: Obama: 'Lipstick on a pig'
« Reply #144 on: September 13, 2008, 12:36:21 AM »
Jaguar do you ever make any observation that isn't spoon fed to you from a left-wing blog or that you didnt invent out of thin air because you "think" you know whats going on?

Actually, my question is this- In the history of mankind has any liberal ever done anything wrong politically or personally? Thats all. No strings attached. Just a simple question.

yes, ...but not as often as those $hit for brains republicans    :D
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Re: Obama: 'Lipstick on a pig'
« Reply #145 on: September 13, 2008, 01:20:50 AM »

Hahaha. I'll send them a $100 more if he really says that.


Get your checkbook out baby!   :P     You can send that $100 into Obama for me since I can't do it myself.



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Re: Obama: 'Lipstick on a pig'
« Reply #146 on: September 13, 2008, 01:34:24 AM »
According to 240 ( who is a phony independent that claims hes never voted democrat) America is on the verge of collapse, the dollar is going to be worth less than the paper its printed on and all the nations of the world are going to collaborate with Al-Queda and invade the country. Dont worry 240, I'm sure the new Euro-Queda regime will need a boot licking lackey around to tell them how smart and good looking they are.

240 will probably be happy to know that BeachBum won't be suffering from unemployment in such a scenario.
Rob would be very sad to see such a gifted sycophant like Beachbum wasteing away with no one to fellate.
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« Reply #147 on: September 13, 2008, 07:42:23 AM »
OK, as long as we are clear on that.

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Re: Obama: 'Lipstick on a pig'
« Reply #148 on: September 13, 2008, 09:42:58 AM »
Decker I can't believe you are saying anyone who votes for McCain "is putting party ahead of country."  That assumes that no Democrats or independents will vote for McCain.  It also assumes that every Republican who is voting for McCain is doing so solely because McCain is a Republican. 
There are the assumptions you added to twist the argument.  Those assumptions are not needed to conclude that McCain is a repeat of failed Bush policies.

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Arie Fleischer irrelevant?
I go to the trouble of comparing the identical platforms of Bush and Big Mac and you thrust a character witness into the mix?

Yes, Fleischer is irrelevant. 

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« Reply #149 on: September 13, 2008, 10:54:00 AM »
There are the assumptions you added to twist the argument.  Those assumptions are not needed to conclude that McCain is a repeat of failed Bush policies.
I go to the trouble of comparing the identical platforms of Bush and Big Mac and you thrust a character witness into the mix?

Yes, Fleischer is irrelevant. 

Dude.  Do you read your own posts?  Here you are categorizing all McCain voters:

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"Are all McCain voters...." What?  I'll take a flier at it.  No all McCain voters are not dumb.  They are all incredibly selfish though b/c they ignore the dismal failure of the Bush/McCain policies in order to support their own wedge issues---abortion, guns, hate democrats, support their guy no matter how dangerously incompetent he/she may be...

In my warped view of life, country comes before party.  Too bad the republicans can't understand that when voting for president.

Here you say anyone who votes for McCain is putting party ahead of country:

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Anyone choosing McCain is putting party ahead of country.



Now what assumption did I made what exactly did I twist?