What Causes the big Guts?

[ninja turtle]

big guts in bodybuilders is due to the abuse of insulin.   the guts started showing up in the mid 1990s, shortly after bodybuilders starting mixing insulin with gh. 

the guts are due to large amounts of visceral fat, fat between the internal organs in the abdomen.  (look up things like adipose and omentum in a medical book)

more evidence that its due to insulin is that people on certain HIV meds also develop the protruding stomach, which has been shown to be due to increases in visceral fat, and those meds are known to cause insulin sensitivity.

one interesting side note:  people who have gastric bypass surgery often have their omentum removed, instantly removing many pounds of visceral fat.  such obese people almost always have type 2 diabetes.   Removing the omentum often drastically reduces their need for insulin shots.

excellent post, does the excess visceral fat harm your health in any way? if so, like to hear about it.

[Bluto]

permabulkers got big guts

[timfogarty]

excellent post, does the excess visceral fat harm your health in any way? if so, like to hear about it.

cut and paste from other sites:

Visceral Fat Vs. Subcutaneous Fat

There are two types of fat: subcutaneous and visceral. Subcutaneous fat is the type found just underneath the skin, which may cause dimpling and cellulite. Visceral fat, on the other hand, is located in the abdomen and surrounding vital organs. It can infiltrate the liver and other organs, streak through your muscles and even strangle your heart; and you can have it even if you appear to be thin.

It is the latter, visceral, fat that is linked to everything from bad cholesterol and hypertension to diabetes, heart disease and stroke.

[BayGBM]

Time for a male corset.

[GreatFinn]

big guts in bodybuilders is due to the abuse of insulin.   the guts started showing up in the mid 1990s, shortly after bodybuilders starting mixing insulin with gh. 

the guts are due to large amounts of visceral fat, fat between the internal organs in the abdomen.  (look up things like adipose and omentum in a medical book)

more evidence that its due to insulin is that people on certain HIV meds also develop the protruding stomach, which has been shown to be due to increases in visceral fat, and those meds are known to cause insulin sensitivity.

one interesting side note:  people who have gastric bypass surgery often have their omentum removed, instantly removing many pounds of visceral fat.  such obese people almost always have type 2 diabetes.   Removing the omentum often drastically reduces their need for insulin shots.

Well, that is one theory but does it float? What I mean is little detail called body fat. What these guys do is that they drop their body fat percentage by dieting, and according to your theory, there is still  remarkable amount of fat in their internal organs. How can this happen? When you are dieting, your body cannot burn fat off just some places, and leave it to some other places. That is just about impossible mission to accomplish. You cannot turn your beer belly to six pack just by doing sit ups, because your body doesn't work that way, and this is just same thing. If you are dieting like bb:ers do, your body fat percentage goes down in your whole body, not just in your muscles. What you see on these guys is overgrown stomach muscles, and that's it.  Like enormous back and chest, they also have enormous abdomen. Reason why Arnold etc. doesn't have bellies like these, is simple. These days they use more and stronger drugs. Try to imagine Ronnie and Arnold in same competition? Arnold would look like a swimmer compared to him, while Ronnie looks like a dinosaur...

[Reign Down]

Its from getting banged in the ass, their intestines ar all pushed up into their stomachs

How is Pops, better?


ta ta

[QuakerOats]

Its from getting banged in the ass, their intestines ar all pushed up into their stomachs

sounds like you speak from experience Hany.

[OTHstrong]

Well, that is one theory but does it float? What I mean is little detail called body fat. What these guys do is that they drop their body fat percentage by dieting, and according to your theory, there is still  remarkable amount of fat in their internal organs. How can this happen? When you are dieting, your body cannot burn fat off just some places, and leave it to some other places. That is just about impossible mission to accomplish. You cannot turn your beer belly to six pack just by doing sit ups, because your body doesn't work that way, and this is just same thing. If you are dieting like bb:ers do, your body fat percentage goes down in your whole body, not just in your muscles. What you see on these guys is overgrown stomach muscles, and that's it.  Like enormous back and chest, they also have enormous abdomen. Reason why Arnold etc. doesn't have bellies like these, is simple. These days they use more and stronger drugs. Try to imagine Ronnie and Arnold in same competition? Arnold would look like a swimmer compared to him, while Ronnie looks like a dinosaur...

Generally this is true, however when your body is on a strick diet and you are on comnplete overdrive then the body responds by taking fat from the bodyparts that the body feels it easier to do so from. So in certain cases the upper body continues to get shredded while the lower body is stubborn so once the upper body is completely ripped then the body has no choice but to release bodyfat for fuel from the stubborn bodyparts such as lower back, hams and glutes. I suspect the last place the body will burn bodyfat from is the internal organs.

Causes of big guts, Genetics, insulin, gh, over eating, carb-loading.

[timfogarty]

rearranged a bit:

Well, that is one theory but does it float? What I mean is little detail called body fat. What these guys do is that they drop their body fat percentage by dieting, and according to your theory, there is still  remarkable amount of fat in their internal organs. How can this happen?

beer bellies are the best example.   guys with beer bellies have the huge protruding stomachs, but little or no fat under the skin.  why is the stomach protruding?   visceral fat in between the internal organs

When you are dieting, your body cannot burn fat off just some places, and leave it to some other places. That is just about impossible mission to accomplish.  You cannot turn your beer belly to six pack just by doing sit ups, because your body doesn't work that way, and this is just same thing.   If you are dieting like bb:ers do, your body fat percentage goes down in your whole body, not just in your muscles.

exactly true, unless some drug is causing the body to hold onto as much visceral fat as possible.  insulin

What you see on these guys is overgrown stomach muscles, and that's it.  Like enormous back and chest, they also have enormous abdomen.

and what is the make-up of that extra mass?   thicker walls of the intestines? &guy liver?   what is causing the growth of this extra material?  there is no evidence that GH or any other drug causes the stomach or intestines to thicken or grow

Reason why Arnold etc. doesn't have bellies like these, is simple. These days they use more and stronger drugs. Try to imagine Ronnie and Arnold in same competition? Arnold would look like a swimmer compared to him, while Ronnie looks like a dinosaur...

there were plenty of big guys in the 1950s-80s.   plenty of guys who ate massive amounts of food.  did plenty of steroids.   No protruding stomachs until they started using insulin with the growth hormone.

Bruce Randall got up to 400 pounds to be a super-heavyweight Olympic weightlifter, then dropped down to 190 for bodybuilding.   No protruding stomach.

[QuakerOats]

Is that why you have a giant stomach?

BTW you would be considered fat at an overeaters anonymous meeting, porkyh

calm down Hany don't you have some MRM supplements to push in MD or Bill Willmore to "train" or something?

[Reign Down]

Are there any studies into these eyesores or is it simply opinion?

[Permabulker]

permabulkers got big guts

And your point is?   
I think we are talking about pro bodybuilders here, not permabulker, weight lifter, hobbiest types?  Discuss. 

[Permabulker]

I am 300 in these pics and I don't have a big gut.  My waist was under 37" at this time. 

Hold on keith, here come the 98 lb haters.

[Reign Down]

Hold on keith, here come the 98 lb haters.

You're a bit tetchy aren't you Sheila?


Breathe in through the nose and out through the mouth, relax, it sounds as though you are hideously fat and getting angry won't help your sky high blood pressure.


ta ta

[timfogarty]

Causes of big guts, Genetics, insulin, gh, over eating, carb-loading.

surely some bodybuilders prior to the 1990s had the same genetics, over-ate and did carbo loading

Are there any studies into these eyesores or is it simply opinion?

people on certain HIV drugs develop the same protruding stomach.  research there suggests its due to those drugs causing insulin sensitivity, exacerbated by the use of GH.

other studies show a high correlation between visceral fat and type 2 diabetes.  

[QuakerOats]

You have a lot of knowledge about the sport, I guess sitting on a lawn chair in my trailer posting on GB, sucking the cream out of twinkies, and rocking back and forth like a retard does have its rewards

twinkies are great Hany, you should give them to some of your guys post workout.

[timfogarty]

You have a lot of knowledge about the sport, I guess sitting on a lawn chair in my trailer posting on GB, sucking the cream out of twinkies, and rocking back and forth like a retard does have its rewards

umm, never mind

[Reign Down]

surely some bodybuilders prior to the 1990s had the same genetics, over-ate and did carbo loading

people on certain HIV drugs develop the same protruding stomach.  research there suggests its due to those drugs causing insulin sensitivity, exacerbated by the use of GH.

other studies show a high correlation between visceral fat and type 2 diabetes.   

Could be that a high percentage of Pro's have HIV or bad AIDS (Gay) too then.


I suspect you analysis is more accurate.

How do you know so much about the subject are you in the medical profession? You have given so very good answers imo!

[QuakerOats]

umm, never mind

hahahhaa, are you insinuating that "pro creator" knows a lot more about the gay community than he's leading on, Tim?

[Permabulker]

You're a bit tetchy aren't you Sheila?


Breathe in through the nose and out through the mouth, relax, it sounds as though you are hideously fat and getting angry won't help your sky high blood pressure.


ta ta

So, you are 98lbs??  It was just a generalization there "Mate"!  Throw another shrimp on the barbiiiii!

[timfogarty]

hahahhaa, are you insinuating that "pro creator" knows a lot more about the gay community than he's leading on, Tim?

no it was more an attempt at self-deprecating humor.   alternate replies would be

[homer]mmmm, twinkies[/homer]

or

been there, done that

[Reign Down]

So, you are 98lbs??  It was just a generalization there "Mate"!  Throw another shrimp on the barbiiiii!

Yeah i'm 98lbs 

Who the fuck has shrimps on a BBQ? I think you'd put a sofa on a BBQ if you thought you could gobble it after, you fat slob

[Permabulker]

Yeah i'm 98lbs 

Who the fuck has shrimps on a BBQ? I think you'd put a sofa on a BBQ if you thought you could gobble it after, you fat slob

...................  OoooKkkaayyy 98.

[timfogarty]

Haha  Fatboy can't even get a homo to support his gay comment. Who has dick on the brain?

that's Mr Homo to you

[OTHstrong]

surely some bodybuilders prior to the 1990s had the same genetics, over-ate and did carbo loading

I said Genetics because some with good genetics can take insulin and gh and not have a big gut so genetics obviously play a role and the over eating of the past doesn`t remotely come close in comparison to what people eat today as well as loading.