Giving Kimbo Slice Credit Where Credit Is Due GREAT READ

[w8tlftr]

He uses psyche alot to beat his opponents just like Tyson did.  I would think fighting in MMA you have to do everything you can to win.  And talking shit, acting tougher than you really are, are just things that come along with being in MMA.  I think you are so far off the mark.

The difference was Iron Mike, in his prime, could back it up and he had sweeeet boxing skills.

[onlyme]

The difference was Iron Mike, in his prime, could back it up and he had sweeeet boxing skills.

Kimbo could back it up too as shown by his back alley record.  He still did pretty good up until the other day too.  But no matter what, in fighting you have to do everything you can to get the upper hand cause anyone can beat anyone at anytime.  If you can physch  out a guy before the fight even starts you have a great advantage.  Tyson was great at it.  Everyone he fought was scared as hell of him even before the fight started except Holyfield

[w8tlftr]

Kimbo could back it up too as shown by his back alley record.  He still did pretty good up until the other day too.  But no matter what, in fighting you have to do everything you can to get the upper hand cause anyone can beat anyone at anytime.  If you can physch  out a guy before the fight even starts you have a great advantage.  Tyson was great at it.  Everyone he fought was scared as hell of him even before the fight started except Holyfield

Who were the top tier back alley fighters that Kimbo has defeated?

Don't get me wrong. I'm think Kimbo is a tough guy but we aren't comparing apples to apples here.

[MindSpin]

how come guys like GSP & Andersen don't need to do all of trash talking b4 fights?  They are dominant AND humble.

Kimbo was trash talking joke that exposed.

[Geo]

how come guys like GSP & Andersen don't need to do all of trash talking b4 fights?  They are dominant AND humble.

Kimbo was trash talking joke that exposed.

maybe I was'nt paying attention but I don't remember kimbo talking all that much trash...

in fact I can't recall ever hearing the guy say much of anything about any of his opponents..

[onlyme]

Who were the top tier back alley fighters that Kimbo has defeated?

Don't get me wrong. I'm think Kimbo is a tough #### but we aren't comparing apples to apples here.

Holy shit! I'm defending a guy who I could care less about.  I never really liked him when I saw him fight on the internet.  I always thought he was fighting guys I am pretty sure I could kick their ass.  they all looked like shit.  I couldn't wait for him to get his ass kicked.  I always thought he was a loud mouth but then I heard him talk on some shows and he seemed okay.

how come guys like GSP & Andersen don't need to do all of trash talking b4 fights?  They are dominant AND humble.

Kimbo was trash talking joke that exposed.

So you mention two guys who don't.  How about BJ, Serra, Tyson, Ali, and many others who do talk shit to hype up the fight.  Some guys are quiet and some guys aren't.  Not everyone prepares the same way.  Why do I have to explain this to you.  In BB I understand where maybe you guys didn't do this kind of stuff.  But in my sport it happened.  A HUGE part of a match is the pysching out of the opponent.  I have gone up on stage against a bigger opponent and then I do my eyes wide open shit and flex my muscles and the guys face gets all meek.  I literally took the wind out of his sails at the table.

maybe I was'nt paying attention but I don't remember kimbo talking all that much trash...

in fact I can't recall ever hearing the guy say much of anything about any of his opponents..

Exactly.  I have seen him on several shows and I never once heard him talk trash.  Mindspin, other than a MMA related rag or show, tell us where you saw or read Kimbo talking trash.

[onlyme]

how come guys like GSP & Andersen don't need to do all of trash talking b4 fights?  They are dominant AND humble.

Kimbo was trash talking joke that exposed.

Niether GSP or Anderson are marketable.  I have a feeling you are bitter because Kimbo is so marketable yet your heroes are not.  That is just life.  GSP does not have the personality to be a spokesperson that will give MMA the worldwide appeal they are trying to achieve.  And no matter what you say that is a fact.And the evidence is in the amount of exposure Kimbo receives.  He has been on every major talk show, publication and radio show in the country. The facts speak for themselves.  No matter how much you don't like him, he is very marketable.

[big L dawg]

how come guys like GSP & Andersen don't need to do all of trash talking b4 fights?  They are dominant AND humble.

Kimbo was trash talking joke that exposed.

I don't know what you watched...kimbo has and is humble if you watch his pre or post fight comments.yea at weigh ins they are supposed to amp the fight up its there job.

[onlyme]

I don't know what you watched...kimbo has and is humble if you watch his pre or post fight comments.yea at weigh ins they are supposed to amp the fight up its there job.

Exactly, sometimes I wonder why he is a Moderator on here.  He is surely bias.  But I guess that is him. 

[danielson]

Niether GSP or Anderson are marketable.  I have a feeling you are bitter because Kimbo is so marketable yet your heroes are not.  That is just life.  GSP does not have the personality to be a spokesperson that will give MMA the worldwide appeal they are trying to achieve.  And no matter what you say that is a fact.And the evidence is in the amount of exposure Kimbo receives.  He has been on every major talk show, publication and radio show in the country. The facts speak for themselves.  No matter how much you don't like him, he is very marketable.

You think he is marketable? It's not like he is endorsing Nike and Gatorade. He has a curiosity factor, sure. I just don't see him as marketable. After Tyson was convicted of Rape he still had people wanting to see him fight, but he couldn't land an endorsement contract. That's kind of how I see Kimbo, I mean what company would honestly pay him to endorse their products? He can barely speak english.

[onlyme]

You think he is marketable? It's not like he is endorsing Nike and Gatorade. He has a curiosity factor, sure. I just don't see him as marketable. After Tyson was convicted of Rape he still had people wanting to see him fight, but he couldn't land an endorsement contract. That's kind of how I see Kimbo, I mean what company would honestly pay him to endorse their products? He can barely speak english.

He marketable for MMA I did not say for product endorsements.  He is 100% a curiosity factor and he has to be taken advantage of while he still is.  That is exactly what is happening.  Unless their is some company that specializes in "Ugly" products I don't see him endorsing many products

[MindSpin]

Niether GSP or Anderson are marketable.  I have a feeling you are bitter because Kimbo is so marketable yet your heroes are not.  That is just life.  GSP does not have the personality to be a spokesperson that will give MMA the worldwide appeal they are trying to achieve.  And no matter what you say that is a fact.And the evidence is in the amount of exposure Kimbo receives.  He has been on every major talk show, publication and radio show in the country. The facts speak for themselves.  No matter how much you don't like him, he is very marketable.

It is truly remarkable just how dunce you are...it's no wonder you are a colossal failure in life.  BTW, that's merely an observation, not an attack.

Again, let me dumb this down for you.  Kimbo got a shitload of publicity...that is an undeniable fact.  However, it was the result of savvy marketing.  Dumb people who watched his youtube backyard brawls thought he could step in the ring/cage and destroy any of the legit MMA fighters.  The promoters built this up by matching him up against complete cans and making him out to be a "top heavyweight".  BTW, Kimbo went right along with it.  Once he realized that he was in over his head, he did start talking with more humility.  Anyway, as it turns out, it was all hype.  Call him the Milli Vanilli of MMA.  He was marketable while the sham was being perpetuated.  Once exposed, the cash-cow was slaughtered.

As for whether or not guys like GSP & Andersen are marketable, to some degree you are right.  In the US, their broken english poses a problem.  However, in their countries, they are rock starts.  Nonetheless, without having to talk trash and be cocky assholes, they still win.  Their popularity is growing.  And, get this...each gets paid $500,000/yr just to wear a branded tshirt into the cage.  They are making A LOT more on other endorsements....not bad.

BTW, GSP just signed with CAA Sports, a division of Creative Arts Agency, one of the largest entertainment and sports agencies in the world.  So much for him not being marketable

Keith, you're not very bright my friend.  You should go back to posting gross pics on the sex board.... 

[big L dawg]

It is truly remarkable just how dunce you are...it's no wonder you are a colossal failure in life.  BTW, that's merely an observation, not an attack.

Again, let me dumb this down for you.  Kimbo got a shitload of publicity...that is an undeniable fact.  However, it was the result of savvy marketing.  Dumb people who watched his youtube backyard brawls thought he could step in the ring/cage and destroy any of the legit MMA fighters.  The promoters built this up by matching him up against complete cans and making him out to be a "top heavyweight".  BTW, Kimbo went right along with it.  Once he realized that he was in over his head, he did start talking with more humility.  Anyway, as it turns out, it was all hype.  Call him the Milli Vanilli of MMA.  He was marketable while the sham was being perpetuated.  Once exposed, the cash-cow was slaughtered.

As for whether or not guys like GSP & Andersen are marketable, to some degree you are right.  In the US, their broken english poses a problem.  However, in their countries, they are rock starts.  Nonetheless, without having to talk trash and be cocky assholes, they still win.  Their popularity is growing.  And, get this...each gets paid $500,000/yr just to wear a branded tshirt into the cage.  They are making A LOT more on other endorsements....not bad.

BTW, GSP just signed with CAA Sports, a division of Creative Arts Agency, one of the largest entertainment and sports agencies in the world.  So much for him not being marketable

Keith, you're not very bright my friend.  You should go back to posting gross pics on the sex board.... 

so anyone that don't agree with your point of view is not very bright?how convenient.

[MindSpin]

How do you figure that?  I'm making rational fact based arguments. Keith is not. Read my post & tell me where I'm incorrect.

[onlyme]

It is truly remarkable just how dunce you are...it's no wonder you are a colossal failure in life.  BTW, that's merely an observation, not an attack.

Again, let me dumb this down for you.  Kimbo got a shitload of publicity...that is an undeniable fact.  However, it was the result of savvy marketing.  Dumb people who watched his youtube backyard brawls thought he could step in the ring/cage and destroy any of the legit MMA fighters.  The promoters built this up by matching him up against complete cans and making him out to be a "top heavyweight".  BTW, Kimbo went right along with it.  Once he realized that he was in over his head, he did start talking with more humility.  Anyway, as it turns out, it was all hype.  Call him the Milli Vanilli of MMA.  He was marketable while the sham was being perpetuated.  Once exposed, the cash-cow was slaughtered.

As for whether or not guys like GSP & Andersen are marketable, to some degree you are right.  In the US, their broken english poses a problem.  However, in their countries, they are rock starts.  Nonetheless, without having to talk trash and be cocky assholes, they still win.  Their popularity is growing.  And, get this...each gets paid $500,000/yr just to wear a branded tshirt into the cage.  They are making A LOT more on other endorsements....not bad.

BTW, GSP just signed with CAA Sports, a division of Creative Arts Agency, one of the largest entertainment and sports agencies in the world.  So much for him not being marketable

Keith, you're not very bright my friend.  You should go back to posting gross pics on the sex board.... 

Boy it sure is good you got out of competing cause you truly are a fucking idiot.  You went nowhere and you heading nowhere.  So good choice there.  To hard to argue with someone like you.  You are stuck in your ignorant way of thinking.  And I am pretty confident I have been a whole lot more successful in life and what I choose than you.  In fact that isn't even debatable.  You had an average body for a bodybuilder so don't get to big headed.  If not please post all the major shows you won.  You look great to guys on here me included but it was all for nothing.  A few mags here and there big deal.  Nice GSP signs with CAA.  Lets see what they do with him.  You talk out of line on here constantly.  Signing with CAA is a great thing but he will get pushed off to the side.  We will see, but I am pretty sure you won't be seeing him in many movies and making a million dollars a picture.  Lets see if they can at least get him a million dollar Nike contract or American Express.  But regardless it does neither me or you any good.  Sorry son you will lose this debate.

[MindSpin]

Boy it sure is good you got out of competing cause you truly are a fucking idiot.  You went nowhere and you heading nowhere.  So good choice there.  To hard to argue with someone like you.  You are stuck in your ignorant way of thinking.  And I am pretty confident I have been a whole lot more successful in life and what I choose than you.  In fact that isn't even debatable.  You had an average body for a bodybuilder so don't get to big headed.  If not please post all the major shows you won.  You look great to guys on here me included but it was all for nothing.  A few mags here and there big deal.  Nice GSP signs with CAA.  Lets see what they do with him.  You talk out of line on here constantly.  Signing with CAA is a great thing but he will get pushed off to the side.  We will see, but I am pretty sure you won't be seeing him in many movies and making a million dollars a picture.  Lets see if they can at least get him a million dollar Nike contract or American Express.  But regardless it does neither me or you any good.  Sorry son you will lose this debate.

LOL.  You think I'm basing my life's success on the three years I spent competing...oh brother.  Keith, there is NO success in bodybuilding.  Even if I had the genetics to be the greatest Mr. O ever, I'd still take the life I have now.     

Now, back to the issue being debated.  Was Kimbo overhyped and did he deserve to be put in the same league as guys like Fedor, Couture, Bartnett, Arlovski, etc.?  If you still say yes, then I will acquiesce and let you live blissfully in unmitigated ignorance.   

[onlyme]

LOL.  You think I'm basing my life's success on the three years I spent competing...oh brother.  Keith, there is NO success in bodybuilding.  Even if I had the genetics to be the greatest Mr. O ever, I'd still take the life I have now.     

Now, back to the issue being debated.  Was Kimbo overhyped and did he deserve to be put in the same league as guys like Fedor, Couture, Bartnett, Arlovski, etc.?  If you still say yes, then I will acquiesce and let you live blissfully in unmitigated ignorance.   

If he was put in the league with them then I would think he would be fighting them.  Has he fought any of those guys.  They are using Kimbo for the hype and thats it.  The guys doesn't impress me as a fighter at all.  But, the media and general public does and Elite is taking advantage of that.  Is he overhyped as a fighter 10000000% yes.  But is Elite using him in the right way to get people to watch and increase popularity 10000000000% yes.

[Geo]

I don't think he was even over hyped....

I just think Elite signed him and were willing to let the chips fall where they may...


it's the same deal with putting woman on their cards,anyone with half a clue knows womans MMA fights will never amount to much (just like womans boxing), but elite needs something different to throw into the mix and kimbo (and gina carrano) were perfect for the part...

[SinCitysmallGUY]

I don't think he was even over hyped....

I just think Elite signed him and were willing to let the chips fall where they may...


it's the same deal with putting woman on their cards,anyone with half a clue knows womans MMA fights will never amount to much (just like womans boxing), but elite needs something different to throw into the mix and kimbo (and gina carrano) were perfect for the part...

Womens MMA is a growing sport. Shit boxing is not that popular anymore, so how can a new side of the sport take off when the main side is slowly decreasing in popularity. How many times do you hear guys say, lets get the MMA PPV compared to hey, I am getting the taylor fight this weekend... Like I mentioned in another post, I amazed at how many lil girls are training and backstage at our local shows...

[chocolate fizz]

Mindspin, I agree with your main thrust; but where was Kimbo anywhere close to being a trash talker?

Honestly, all I can recall is a humble guy that played fair; Christ he even made sure a couple of the guys he had knocked out were up and recovering.

Should he be on the front of ESPN mag? no; has he gone along with the Kimbo gravy train? yes; was he ever a trash talker? not that I can recall.

I dont think there is any footage of him trash talking to any large degree.

Which fight/occasion did you see him acting like a wanker?