test e/deca

[axl86]

Was looking into doing a 12 week cycle of test E.  and deca with dbol for a kicker.  I have read that nolvadex does not work for gyno caused by deca.  I think proviron was the name of the anti-e for deca?  If so, would you not use nolva at all during this cycle and only use the proviron?  How likely is a test/deca cycle to cause gyno?  Any problems with a 12 week test E cycle 400mg/week and deca 250mg/week dbol 30-40mg a day for 4 weeks? is that how it works?  5'7'' 160 lbs 7% bf  (dont know if that matters) 

[tstmaniac]

thats a pretty week cycle...unless your really prone to gyno, you shouldnt have to worry bout that..i would get some arimidex to keep on hand just in case..

[4thAD]

Was looking into doing a 12 week cycle of test E.  and deca with dbol for a kicker.  I have read that nolvadex does not work for gyno caused by deca.  I think proviron was the name of the anti-e for deca?  If so, would you not use nolva at all during this cycle and only use the proviron?  How likely is a test/deca cycle to cause gyno?  Any problems with a 12 week test E cycle 400mg/week and deca 250mg/week dbol 30-40mg a day for 4 weeks? is that how it works?  5'7'' 160 lbs 7% bf  (dont know if that matters) 

Provirion is just a steroid that is a very mild androgen. It will dry you out but will in no way get rid of progesterone induced gyno from deca, or tren. Now on that note, I am very gyno prone, and when I run provirion from the start of my cycle I have almost need for any serms, or anti e's(almost no need, I still need a very low dose). What you want to use to lower progesterone is cabaser.

[theworm]

see, i read somewhere that nolva worked great in a deca cycle, and that arimidex did not work as well.

i think i read this on www.steroidsprofiles.com

[tstmaniac]

nolvadex can't fight off progesterone gyno..ARIMIDEX

[Tapeworm]

It's prolactin which is the problem and AIs such as Adex might only help insofar as it will halt aromatization of T to E, inhibiting (in time) the combined tit building power of prolactin + E.  Adex will not lower prolactin levels however.  As 4th said, cabaser (cabergoline) will lower prolactin.  I don't have any personal experience with this tho.

There's a sticky on steroidology whch claims that nolvadex increases the expression of the prolactin receptor, so clomid or another would be a wiser SERM choice if there's nandrolone in the cycle.

Has anyone run cabaser with deca?  Did it do anything to offset ED?  That's my main fear and it's kept me away from deca.

[Emmortal]

Has anyone run cabaser with deca?  Did it do anything to offset ED?  That's my main fear and it's kept me away from deca.

I ran into some serious deca dick a while back.  Thankfully I had some Cabaser on hand and within a week my ED was fixed completely.  I also ran 500ius of HCG 2x a week (I think that also helped).  Cabaser has a long half life in the body so taking .5mg 2x a week or even 1mg 1x a week should stave off any ED problems.  It was pretty nasty, even viagra didn't help.  I've since ran deca (same pharm brand as before at slightly higher dose) with Cabaser and HCG and have had no ED problems whatsoever.

[4thAD]

see, i read somewhere that nolva worked great in a deca cycle, and that arimidex did not work as well.

i think i read this on www.steroidsprofiles.com

See Worm, here is the difference. Ive done it, I havent just read about it. Cabaser for high progesterone levels from tren and deca. Adex, or letro for high estrogen. Will work much better than nolvadex. With nolva your body is still full of estrogen. If you figure a healthy dose for your body and cycle, adex and letro will not dump your estrogens down to zero!

[Exal]

just to set the record straight so there is no doubt at all:

ALL THE PROBLEMS CAUSED BY DECA/TREN ETC IS BECAUSE OF PROLACTIN!!!

deca dick, the gyno and all that shit is because of elevated prolactin levels, which cabaser for one combats.

but the prolactin levels are elevated because of the progesterone

[theworm]

sounds so much easier just to stick to test only cycles!

[tbombz]

sounds so much easier just to stick to test only cycles!

mot everybody get side efects..i run tren with zero libido issues or prolactin (wel im not lactating so i dont THINK im having any prolactin).. i ran deca with no real deca dick or prolactin... i run dbol i dont get any hairloss.. lots of test and my prostate still feels yummy..lol.. only roid give me bad side is dbol without AI give me tender nipples and anadrol gives me nausea depression lack of appetitie and sleepy all day

[theworm]

i understand,,,
but it seems a lot easier and cheaper to use only test.

also, the sides (if they do occur) are better and easier to handle to anti-Es and propecia (less hair loss and acne).

[Exal]

In my opinion like all other steroids it's fine to take deca/tren etc, as long as you take measures to remove the bad side effects that are caused by them

It's common knowledge that you SHOULD take an AI when on testosterone, since practically all the side effects are caused by the relatively enormous increase in estrogen, but somehow it's escaped everyone that the same goes for steroids that end up as progesterone and therefore increases your prolactin levels(WHICH IS FUCKING BAD FOR A MAN)

So you SHOULD be taking a dopamine agonist(cabergoline) to combat the increase in prolactin, since prolactin is basicly very very bad for a man. Ofcourse if you don't experience any sideeffects you are lucky and then you can just drop the ancilliaries, but as a rule of thumb you should always be on the safe side, since there are some permanent side effects that can occur with high estrogen and high prolactin levels.  Note permanent infertility(prolactin),gyno(estrogen) etc.

Prolactin in men is mostly produced when you cum, to make you calm down and lose your hardon(the refraction period) and in extreme cases/levels makes you lactate and produce breast tissue(the so called progesterone gyno, which should be called prolactin gyno). As you can see the infamous decadick is actually caused by prolactin levels being higher than usual making the body think it isn't ready for sex again, and if you have very high prolactin levels for a long time you might end up being left with permanent erectile dysfunction or permanent infertility.

In short: prolactin is BAD BAD BAD BAD!!! there for kids, use a dopamine agonist if you get side effects from deca/tren etc.