Is Obama a Marxist, Communist, or Socialist?

[JBGRAY]

Decker is right Brixtonbulldog.

Read my previous post in this thread regarding the FACT that socialism has allowed all many European countries to overtake America.

Japan, a country America DEFEATED in 1945; economically ruined and bombed to shit... overtook America from a standing start in just 45 years through socialism.

Now China, recently an overpopulated Third World country is overtaking America through a socialist mix of strictly regulated and manipulated capitalism and communist ideology.

America is sliding DOWN all the positive living indices... check the UN reports.


China? China is progressing better than America. Dude, seriously... take off the "USA #1!" giant foam finger and do a little research WITHOUT the Republican interpretive filter.


The Luke

America is failing largely due to having little to no economic protectionist policies, unchecked immigration, and increases in an uneducated populace.  America is not failing because Japan, China, and some European nations are doing so many things right or partaking in socialist or communist philosophies.  

Europe, particularly Western Europe, is in extremely deep trouble, strong currency or not.  All of their populations are well below Birth Replacement Rate and are rapidly aging.  The "unborn" native populace are replaced by the grateful hordes of  Middle Eastern and African populations who flood into the region by the millions, bringing with them a culture and religion that to it's core cannot and will not assimilate to Western progressive values and culture.  Unless something drastic happens, areas such as the UK, France, and Germany WILL be Islamic strongholds.

China is overpopulated and polluted.  It is unable to feed and water it's populations.  It's industry is unregulated......at least until kids die from lead paint or have their kidneys seize up from tainted milk.  It's population suffers a tremendous amount of human rights abuses and violations under this great socialist and communist government.   China, despite the numerous advancements made in various technological industries(and many copied from US and Russian sources), cannot become a First World nation because the bulk of its nation suffers and are dirt poor.  Sending a satellite into space while it's people work for meager earnings in brutal factory conditions a great nation does not make.

Japan is very nationalistic and were able to penetrate the US markets with little to no opposition.  Due to companies like Toyota and Honda, the very US companies that had helped to build the war machine that leveled Japan's forces in the Pacific are now going under and suffering huge debts.....while just down the street, a Toyota plant is shitting out brand new Prius's by a non-Union workforce.  Japan in the near future will also experience some of what Europe nowadays faces, an aging population, decreasing younger populations, and tough decisions as to whether to import foreign workers.  

Japanese men will eat only local Kobe beef, but will pick their teeth with toothpicks made from American Pine trees.  That's why they are ahead, but, all is not entirely well in Japan.

[Soul Crusher]

Finally, someone with some sense on this board.

Our corrupt education establishment is largely to blame for our decline.  They have dumbed down the population so far so fast that people now need a college education to get what used to be taught in high school decades ago.

These boards themselves are evidence of this when have of these self professed commies have no understanding of civics, laws, the constitution, and how things really work.

As Michael Savage says, liberalism truly is a mental disorder.

[The Luke]

The fact that UN publisjed that garbage means nothing. 

...the UN statistics office isn't reliable? WTF? What is that, some kind of massive conspiracy theory?

Sounds more like irrational reactionary dismissal to me.

They also ignored Darfur and genocide all over the world and have no credibility as an organization.

...ignored? No.

Hamstrung by the vetoing of America and the other superpowers? Yes.

Most of those countries have tiny populations and dont have the issues we do.  Also, they have the many different racial and social groups we do.

...Sweden? Sweden has a 15% immigrant population.

15% of people living in Sweden weren't born in Sweden. That would be equivalent to 45 million border jumping Mexicans running around the US.

Regarding population size: Will you still be using this argument when India and China overtake the US?
They're climbing the list... America is slipping.

Issues? What would the peculiar negative issues affecting America and America alone be?
Huge oil reserves? Vast natural resources? Cheap oil? A monopoly (and the will to abuse it) in many aspects of world economics?

Europe and the USA are two different places entirely.

...I doubt you could find Europe on a map.


The Luke

[The Luke]

JBGRAY,

I think you are actually agreeing with me somewhat... some excellent points though.

I limited my remarks to the Human Development Index as measured by the UN report as it illustrates what will become more important during these times of crisis: social cohesion.

Wealth disparity; segregation; oppression of minorities... all of these things work against America.

If another Great Depression is triggered the French (lowest inequality) would bitch about low wages and high unemployment while muddling through. Whereas America would tear itself apart... armed, oppressed minorities and cultural division. It would be the LA Riots on a national scale.


I ignored the demographic and immigration issues as borders can be closed and the demographic problem relates to America too (level playing field) as 50% of the US population is 50 or older. During the 80s in my homeland of Ireland for example 75% of the population was under 25.

The fact that socialist countries are living better on less GDP (per capita) doesn't bode well for America... the Chinese are indeed oppressed and brutalised, but overall they have it better now than they did twenty years ago and they are all too aware of it.

The countries overtaking America since 1950 all have one thing in common, socialism.


The Luke

[Brixtonbulldog]

Decker is right Brixtonbulldog.

Read my previous post in this thread regarding the FACT that socialism has allowed all many European countries to overtake America.

Japan, a country America DEFEATED in 1945; economically ruined and bombed to shit... overtook America from a standing start in just 45 years through socialism.

Now China, recently an overpopulated Third World country is overtaking America through a socialist mix of strictly regulated and manipulated capitalism and communist ideology.

America is sliding DOWN all the positive living indices... check the UN reports.


China? China is progressing better than America. Dude, seriously... take off the "USA #1!" giant foam finger and do a little research WITHOUT the Republican interpretive filter.


The Luke

Ha!  Most of China is in the dirt.  Peasantry can't get enough to eat.  Babies are dying through poisoned milk.  Fake "eggs" with no nutritional value starving a majority of the populace and WE'RE behind?!!??!  Laughable.

[The Luke]

Ha!  Most of China is in the dirt.  Peasantry can't get enough to eat.  Babies are dying through poisoned milk.  Fake "eggs" with no nutritional value starving a majority of the populace and WE'RE behind?!!??!  Laughable.

...learn to read. You've conflated future with present tense.


The Luke

[Brixtonbulldog]

...learn to read.

I did.. right around the same time I realized liberals are the dumbest jokes god ever drop-shitted onto the planet.

[The Luke]

I did.. right around the same time I realized liberals are the dumbest jokes god ever drop-shitted onto the planet.

Which god specifically? There are hundreds of them... and I made up a couple more this morning.


The Luke

[Brixtonbulldog]

Which god specifically? There are hundreds of them... and I made up a couple more this morning.

The Luke

Ok, let me rephrase.

Liberals were drop-shitted.. by whom I have to assume a deity of some kind.

[big L dawg]

[Brixtonbulldog]

Still falling short of the elusive "intelligent rebuttal" aren't you?

[The Luke]

Ok, let me rephrase.

Liberals were drop-shitted.. by whom I have to assume a deity of some kind.

...just once you don't invoke the name of Jebus.

You know Jesus was a liberal himself. Suppose that makes you some kind of pagan, Brixtonbulldog.



The Luke

[Decker]

If you could pick time periods, which you really can't, I would say after the Span/Am War and then again after WW2 when was production moved to manufacturing.  If you want to give the same prez that failed to end the depression credit for that than I think it's pretty clear you have no objectivity.  Those "laissez faire" economics would have done well to end the depression but to you libs your kind can do no wrong.  Again, typical.  And now we're cursed with many of the pathetic policies of that era including the regular theft of huge chunks of our paychecks.  Dems have spent decades trying to get everyone to be able to vote and now this country's political system is undermined by those who "vote" for the gov't to give them other peoples money.  The founding fathers never meant for this country to operate that way either but here come all your kind to take from those who actually produce, contribute, influence, and often succeed by doing so.  Democrats love the american dream up to $250k, then your to be publicly flogged.

UH-oh.. here comes the "evil capitalists" again. hahahahah.. moron.

How is 50% "most"?  Of course I would bring up a city but god forbid you have to acknowledge that failure of welfare by taking a hard look at a prime example.  And then you further show your ignorance by claiming those on welfare are the "worker pool" ?!!?  lol, what ass bag.  So many choose to STAY on welfare. Why work when you can get PAID and scrimp by?  I think it's hilarious you bring up unemployment and yet you thank FDR for making us "better."  Fail

Come on BB everyone knows the US did not become a superpower until after FDR's reign.  For god's sake even Wikianswers notes that historical fact:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Did_the_US_become_a_superpower_after_World_War_2

But for you right wingers, you are on the fringe of valid debate.  In your world the facts are reshaped to fit your prejudice.  You just did it above.  You do it with supply side nonsense.  You do it with global warming.  You bullshit yourself so often that you start to believe your own rationalizations.

Capitalism is not evil if it is moderated.  Your wild, wild west capitalism of the 1700s and 1800s is nothing more than survival of the fittest predatory practices resulting in economic depressions and national emergencies.   

Again, you offer no facts, just your insane prejudicial conclusions...no support...just blather. 

I'm starting a thread that looks at the delusion of the tax protester.  Stop by.  You'll fit right in.

[Soul Crusher]

Come on BB everyone knows the US did not become a superpower until after FDR's reign.  For god's sake even Wikianswers notes that historical fact:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Did_the_US_become_a_superpower_after_World_War_2

But for you right wingers, you are on the fringe of valid debate.  In your world the facts are reshaped to fit your prejudice.  You just did it above.  You do it with supply side nonsense.  You do it with global warming.  You bullshit yourself so often that you start to believe your own rationalizations.

Capitalism is not evil if it is moderated.  Your wild, wild west capitalism of the 1700s and 1800s is nothing more than survival of the fittest predatory practices resulting in economic depressions and national emergencies.   

Again, you offer no facts, just your insane prejudicial conclusions...no support...just blather. 

I'm starting a thread that looks at the delusion of the tax protester.  Stop by.  You'll fit right in.

Winning WW2 made us a superpower, not welfare programs that delayed the depression for years.

FDR was a true patriot and never envisioned the welfare state we have today.  He wanted to win WWII, not retreat and self defeat like Obama. 

ZERO is no patriot by the way.  From Rev. Wright, to Ayeres, to Farakhan, to Rezko, to his support for Raila Odinga in Kenya, ZERO is a marxist stooge and sleeper cell for radical elements in this society. 

[Brixtonbulldog]

...just once you don't invoke the name of Jebus.

You know Jesus was a liberal himself. Suppose that makes you some kind of pagan, Brixtonbulldog.



The Luke

You libs aren't even religious so don't play like you have any relationship with jesus, god, allah, etc.

He was jewish so that isn't surprising.  However his father is known to have a better knack for application of justice and equality.  The rest of us jews choose to follow that example instead.

Next comes the pontious pilate/jesus quote.. gimmie a break.

[Brixtonbulldog]

Again, you offer no facts, just your insane prejudicial conclusions...no support...just blather. 

Oh wiki said it?  I guess it HAS to be true!!! hahahahahahaaha.. good god.

Funny, this is what you've been doing the entire thread.  Weakest arguments on getbig from a clearly radical socialist assbag.

[big L dawg]

[Decker]

Winning WW2 made us a superpower, not welfare programs that delayed the depression for years.

FDR was a true patriot and never envisioned the welfare state we have today.  He wanted to win WWII, not retreat and self defeat like Obama. 

ZERO is no patriot by the way.  From Rev. Wright, to Ayeres, to Farakhan, to Rezko, to his support for Raila Odinga in Kenya, ZERO is a marxist stooge and sleeper cell for radical elements in this society. 

No.  The CCC, TVA and other programs lifted millions out of abject poverty and made a victory in Europe and Japan even possible. We had a citizenry back on its feet again instead of crawling for peach pits in trash cans.  Imagine trying to take down the Germans and the Japs with a depleted citizen army.

FDR's programs and Keynesian spending policies didn't delay the depression, they ended the depression which was likely created by the laissez faire gambling of Wall Street and the gov. pathetic job at regulation during the Wilson, Coolidge and Hoover years.  Truth is, nations all over the world were experiencing economic depression.  It wasn't until the US gov. adopted Keynesian economic management that the depression was defeated.

Obama.  McCain is a Bush rerun.  All his policies scream that.  We cannot afford 4 more years of ineptitude.  At least Obama thinks on his feet and has a platform that is semi appealing to me.

[The Luke]

You libs aren't even religious so don't play like you have any relationship with jesus, god, allah, etc.

...don't you think that it's comical that Evangelical Christians are pro-death penalty and anti-liberal when Jesus himself was anti-death penalty and pro-liberal?


The Luke

[Soul Crusher]

No.  The CCC, TVA and other programs lifted millions out of abject poverty and made a victory in Europe and Japan even possible. We had a citizenry back on its feet again instead of crawling for peach pits in trash cans.  Imagine trying to take down the Germans and the Japs with a depleted citizen army.

FDR's programs and Keynesian spending policies didn't delay the depression, they ended the depression which was likely created by the laissez faire gambling of Wall Street and the gov. pathetic job at regulation during the Wilson, Coolidge and Hoover years.  Truth is, nations all over the world were experiencing economic depression.  It wasn't until the US gov. adopted Keynesian economic management that the depression was defeated.

Obama.  McCain is a Bush rerun.  All his policies scream that.  We cannot afford 4 more years of ineptitude.  At least Obama thinks on his feet and has a platform that is semi appealing to me.

Both McCain and Obama are so out of touch with reality its scary as far as taxes and economics go. 

The debates have shown both know next to nothing about economics.

I am grudgingly voting for McCain, i liked Romney.  I am doing so because Obamna flat out scares the heck out of me:

1.  ACORN - he was their lawyer and recently gave them 800k.

2.  Rev. Wright.  - a hypocritical anti-semite and anti-american.  Obama lied about that.

3.  Ayers - no need for discussion.  Anyone who hangs out with the left wing equivolent of Timothy McVeigh is dangerous and a radical by definition.

4.  Rezko - in jail for fraud, etc and was Obama's main campaign contributor. 

5.  Raila Odinga - A marxist radical in Kenya who Obama campaigned for while in the US Senate on our dollar. 

6.  Farakhan- called Obama the messiah.

7.  Abortion - he pushed for a barbaric law forbidding a doctor to give assistance to a live born viable babies in cases where abortions went wrong.  Truly disgusting.

8.  Taxes - Obama has no clue even what capital gains taxes are, and is pushing for tax hikes that will affect everyone.  His 95% figure is utter nonsense. 

9.  Guns - there is no doubt with Pelosi and Reid running the show, he will sign any anti-gun legislation across his desk.

10.  Judges - believes the constitution is a "living document"    WTF does that mean and when the does the constitution die if it is living?

11.  Foreign Policy - he will get rolled by Iran and Putin.

12.  Congress - with Pelosi running the house and Reid running the Senate, Obama will rubber stamp anything out of those two.


McCain absolutely stinks, but to me Obama is absolutely unfathomable.     

[Decker]

Both McCain and Obama are so out of touch with reality its scary as far as taxes and economics go. 

The debates have shown both know next to nothing about economics.

I am grudgingly voting for McCain, i liked Romney.  I am doing so because Obamna flat out scares the heck out of me:

1.  ACORN - he was their lawyer and recently gave them 800k.

2.  Rev. Wright.  - a hypocritical anti-semite and anti-american.  Obama lied about that.

3.  Ayers - no need for discussion.  Anyone who hangs out with the left wing equivolent of Timothy McVeigh is dangerous and a radical by definition.

4.  Rezko - in jail for fraud, etc and was Obama's main campaign contributor. 

5.  Raila Odinga - A marxist radical in Kenya who Obama campaigned for while in the US Senate on our dollar. 

6.  Farakhan- called Obama the messiah.

7.  Abortion - he pushed for a barbaric law forbidding a doctor to give assistance to a live born viable babies in cases where abortions went wrong.  Truly disgusting.

8.  Taxes - Obama has no clue even what capital gains taxes are, and is pushing for tax hikes that will affect everyone.  His 95% figure is utter nonsense. 

9.  Guns - there is no doubt with Pelosi and Reid running the show, he will sign any anti-gun legislation across his desk.

10.  Judges - believes the constitution is a "living document"    WTF does that mean and when the does the constitution die if it is living?

11.  Foreign Policy - he will get rolled by Iran and Putin.

12.  Congress - with Pelosi running the house and Reid running the Senate, Obama will rubber stamp anything out of those two.


McCain absolutely stinks, but to me Obama is absolutely unfathomable.     

"living" document means that times change and the constitution must adapt to those changes--the framers couldn't foresee automatic weapons, nuclear weapons, the internet, and a lot of other stuff.  Therefore the constitution must be amenable to adaptation to these changed circumstances.  It's changing and not static. 

As for the character stuff and Obama, that really doesn't matter to me.  I look more at the platform.  I like his tax idea.  I'm not crazy about his health plan (he's trying to be all things to all people...triangulation).  I like his stance on the Iraq war.  I think he's pretty intelligent and to a degree a comforting soul--like a well-worn sweater.  That's insane but it's how I view him.

[Option D]

"living" document means that times change and the constitution must adapt to those changes--the framers couldn't foresee automatic weapons, nuclear weapons, the internet, and a lot of other stuff.  Therefore the constitution must be amenable to adaptation to these changed circumstances.  It's changing and not static. 

As for the character stuff and Obama, that really doesn't matter to me.  I look more at the platform.  I like his tax idea.  I'm not crazy about his health plan (he's trying to be all things to all people...triangulation).  I like his stance on the Iraq war.  I think he's pretty intelligent and to a degree a comforting soul--like a well-worn sweater.   That's insane gay but it's how I view him.

fixed


na im just jokin

[Decker]

fixed


na im just jokin

hahaha...I told my wife that same thing Obama and she started in with the gheyness talk too.  Shit. 

[Decker]

Oh wiki said it?  I guess it HAS to be true!!! hahahahahahaaha.. good god.

Funny, this is what you've been doing the entire thread.  Weakest arguments on getbig from a clearly radical socialist assbag.

My point was that the assertion that the US did not become a superpower until after FDR is such common knowledge that nobody misses it except for you and your ongoing delusions re taxation and the federal government.

I'm trying to help you and you're fighting me...and proving my points as you go along. 

"the narcissist is unable to work out through fantasy is simply repressed, put out of mind and kept from awareness. Beyond these, narcissists invent alibis, excuses, and “proofs” that seem [to themselves] plausible and consistent, and convince them of their continued stature and perfection. These flimsily substantiated rationalizations are offered with an air of confidence and authority. As noted earlier, however, narcissists may never have learned to be skillful at public deception; they usually said and did what they liked without a care for what others thought. Their poorly conceived rationalizations may, therefore, fail to bring relief and, more seriously, may evoke scrutiny and deprecating comments from others. At these times narcissists may be pushed to the point of employing projection as a defense. Unable to disentangle themselves from lies and inconsistencies, and driven by their need to maintain their illusion of superiority, they may begin to turn against others, accusing the latter of their own deceptions, their own selfishness, and their own irrationalities."
Theodore Millon, Ph.D., “Disorders of Personality; DSM-III: Axis II,” p. 168 (John Wiley & Sons, Inc. 1981).


projection.

[Brixtonbulldog]

...don't you think that it's comical that Evangelical Christians are pro-death penalty and anti-liberal when Jesus himself was anti-death penalty and pro-liberal?


The Luke

Yep.. and he's not my role model.

I have huge moral issues with evangelicals but as long as they are voting conservative we have bigger fish to fry.