Are you serious?
![](http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/46644-3/2008-mr-olympia-174.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=aaf56633508b494de48a164e43868954)
yes, look at his arms in this pic - vascular, but no shape, no definition, no real size, no cuts, no seperation, no tie ins
check out dex here - look how you can see each muscle, striated, full, seperate, detailed, check out the delt, tri/bi tie ins - outstanding.