Natural Muscle Gain

[Fatpanda]

What type of athletes??  If they trained runners than we are not interested.  We are bbers for god’s sake and we can pack more than that.  But if we put on 5lbs in 10 weeks than we must have done something wrong.  And yes I mean lean muscle mass

I train hi intensity with 5-6 meals a day and I am able to put more that that with whey protein and creatine alone

i don't like your tone bitch   

yes they were resistance excercise trained - not runners.

and i agree with you it is more than possible to put on that amount of muscle -this study only studied the effects of a protein/carb/creatine supplement pre/post workout or at another time of the day. - the pre/post gained 2.7kg of muscle - the other 1kg or so. Normal daily dit was unchanged - so they could have in theory addd much more muscle mass if they had increased their protein intake over all.

[The ChemistV2]

Here are some shots from years ago that show some natural muscle gain in two years while staying lean. First shot taken at 21 years old weighing 155 pounds at 5'9".

[The ChemistV2]

2 years later at 178

[Fatpanda]

another one who believes and is living proof 

[wavelength]

2 years later at 178

If you've been natural (no pro-hormones, AS, etc.) at that time, that's pretty amazing.
However, still far away from 2.7kg/10 weeks.

According to the study, you could achieve that by not even caring about your food timing (1.5kg/10 weeks), if we assume that the study shows avarage progress which could be sustained over two years.

[Fatpanda]

If you've been natural (no pro-hormones, AS, etc.) at that time, that's pretty amazing.
However, still far away from 2.7kg/10 weeks.

According to the study, you could achieve that by not even caring about your food timing.

thats not what it says - in fact its the exact opposite.

you could gain 2.7kg if you used proper timing - and creatine/protein/carbs

[wavelength]

thats not what it says - in fact its the exact opposite.

you could gain 2.7kg if you used proper timing - and creatine/protein/carbs

Yes I know. The other group (incorrect timing) had a progess of 1.5kg/10 weeks. If we assume that this could be sustained over 2 years, it's exactly his progress.

[Fatpanda]

Yes I know. The other group (incorrect timing) had a progess of 1.5kg/10 weeks. If we assume that this could be sustained over 2 years, it's exactly his progress.

the benefits of correct nutrient timing is amazing isn't it   

[wavelength]

the benefits of correct nutrient timing is amazing isn't it   

I'm pretty sure, he used "correct" timing. This means, he should have weighed 217lbs after 2 years. Even if we assume that progress dimishes steadily to let's say half of it over the two years, it would still be 200lbs in the same condition. And you said yourself, the study didn't even max out the potential. So let's say, if he did everything correct, he should have been the first natural Mr. Olympia at 240 shredded. Just saying.

[Ursus]

I have added maybe on average 10lbs a year at a very similar b/f

This is weight not muscle...before ppl start shouting bullshit its water and glycogen etc

[wavelength]

I have added maybe on average 10lbs a year at a very similar b/f

This is weight not muscle...before ppl start shouting bullshit its water and glycogen etc

Are you natural?
For how many years have you sustained this progress?
How many of it do you think would be left if you diet down to under 8% BF?
How many lb/year do you think you could have gained if you kept your fat mass constant or even sligthly reduced it?

[Ursus]

Yes I am natural.

Been training over 4 years now.
I dont understand the third uestion mate.
Em i reckon i could have gained around the same as i am fairly lean anyway, abs etc. I am just too lazy to eat properly though recently i have started eating like a horse and am really adding size people now noticing it.

[Palpatine Q]

You seem like a guy who approaches things very systematically Wave, but all the analyzing in the world won't change your genetics.

Lift right, eat right and whatever happens is what's gonna happen.

[wavelength]

Yes I am natural.

Been training over 4 years now.
I dont understand the third uestion mate.
Em i reckon i could have gained around the same as i am fairly lean anyway, abs etc. I am just too lazy to eat properly though recently i have started eating like a horse and am really adding size people now noticing it.

Well, "fairly lean" and "abs showing" is not really a good measure of someone's BF. Unless you get pretty lean, you just don't know how much of the gained weight is muscle.

[Ursus]

ok since i started i have added maybe 1-2% of b/f max. Though my b/f is constant

It was so lean back then as i was still growing and very young. Plus i never ate much

[wavelength]

You seem like a guy who approaches things very systematically Wave, but all the analyzing in the world won't change your genetics.

Lift right, eat right and whatever happens is what's gonna happen.

I agree that genetics plays a big role. That's why I said, leave out the genetic freaks and non-responders. I'm just talking about the avarage joe.

[wavelength]

ok since i started i have added maybe 1-2% of b/f max. Though my b/f is constant

It was so lean back then as i was still growing and very young. Plus i never ate much

Any before and recent pics?

[Fatpanda]

I'm pretty sure, he used "correct" timing. This means, he should have weighed 217lbs after 2 years. Even if we assume that progress dimishes steadily to let's say half of it over the two years, it would still be 200lbs in the same condition. And you said yourself, the study didn't even max out the potential. So let's say, if he did everything correct, he should have been the first natural Mr. Olympia at 240 shredded. Just saying.

how do you know he used correct timing ? - he hasn't mentioned it. also did he use creatine as well as pro/carbs  

ye of little faith  

goudy is a testement to what proper training alone can do for mass and strength - add in corrent nutrition and timing and ....... BOOOM 

[wavelength]

how do you know he used correct timing ? - he hasn't mentioned it. also did he use creatine as well as pro/carbs  

ye of little faith  

goudy is a testement to what proper training alone can do for mass and strength - add in corrent nutrition and timing and ....... BOOOM 

That was exactly my point. He (ChemistV2) could have easily been 200lbs or heavier in the same condition, right?

[Ursus]

Any before and recent pics?

Only before ones i have are when i was at school in uniform though plenty of recent pics?

Is that ok?

[wavelength]

Only before ones i have are when i was at school in uniform though plenty of recent pics?

Is that ok?

Sure. Only if you want to post them, of course.

[Ursus]

Sure. Only if you want to post them, of course.

around 189 here before i started training september 04
second is from summer 05 around 199
here is me in october/nov o6 215lbs
summer 07 220ish...had arm injury

[wavelength]

around 189 here before i started training september 04
second is from summer 05 around 199
here is me in october/nov o6 215lbs
summer 07 220ish...had arm injury

That is some serious mass, mad props to you!
BF seems to be pretty low in the second pic, hard to say for the last two.
In any case, amazing size for a natural!

[Method101]

In any case, amazing size for a natural!

he has amitted to using pro-hormones on many occasions.

[Fatpanda]

That was exactly my point. He (ChemistV2) could have easily been 200lbs or heavier in the same condition, right?

yes exactly