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Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
« Reply #50 on: October 20, 2008, 10:34:55 PM »
LOL, 6.5" wrists@ 6'2"? hahahahahahhhHAHAHHAHAA how big are your tits?
LoL idiot, the size of your arms has no effect on your wrist size. P.s ide rather have small wrists than be 5ft.8 with a 40" waist and bald head.
 
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Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
« Reply #51 on: October 21, 2008, 06:58:38 AM »
SNX you really know your shit man. Great posts!

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Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
« Reply #52 on: October 21, 2008, 07:11:32 AM »
are 8 1/2 inch wrists big?

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Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
« Reply #53 on: October 21, 2008, 07:33:35 AM »
are 8 1/2 inch wrists big?
yes but at 30%+ bodyfat the fat adds atleast an inch. :D

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Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
« Reply #54 on: October 21, 2008, 07:35:22 AM »
yes but at 30%+ bodyfat the fat adds atleast an inch. :D
i'm 90 percent bodyfat. :D

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Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
« Reply #55 on: October 21, 2008, 09:01:15 AM »
are 8 1/4 inch wrists big?

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Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
« Reply #56 on: October 21, 2008, 12:36:49 PM »
snx...great posts...i never ever traine to failure either. And agree with high % of 1rm

I also train 6x a week. After this current routine peaks/nearly peaks i am going to go on a strength routine. Maybe 5 exercises per day 2 stes each...i done something similar before and made huge gains.

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Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
« Reply #57 on: October 21, 2008, 03:21:37 PM »
...and after knowledge, comes wisdom. You can't hurry wisdom. I like to think of knowledge as knowing what's right because that item seems to make sense based on empirical and factual information that you have the ability to understand.

Wisdom comes when you test all forms of knowledge to arrive at universal truths. You can't hurry it.

Also, everything is a continuum. What you consider applicable knowledge for your body today becomes useless in a few years. Your body will change, goals will change, your life will change. Thus, your knowledge must change too.

Don't be rigid in your thinking. Be open to all ideas. Test as many as you can, if they pass the "BS meter" you have. Because that testing breeds wisdom, and nothing is more powerful than wisdom.

That is a really nice post! 

Your training is neat, too, though I am curious about the approach you use to more rapidly increase size/strength in a given bodypart (for example, the six-days-a-week routine you outlined for bringing up your pecs).  How long do you sustain that kind of training? 


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Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
« Reply #58 on: October 21, 2008, 04:30:28 PM »
~ 2 years

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Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
« Reply #59 on: October 21, 2008, 04:33:14 PM »
Jay Cutler said he benched like 315 the first time he ever tried.
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Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
« Reply #60 on: October 21, 2008, 04:34:34 PM »
Jay Cutler said he benched like 315 the first time he ever tried.

You don't even bench 225 emo boy...

piss off :)

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Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
« Reply #61 on: October 21, 2008, 04:35:58 PM »
You don't even bench 225 emo boy...

piss off :)

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Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
« Reply #62 on: October 21, 2008, 04:36:29 PM »
Jay Cutler said he benched like 315 the first time he ever tried.
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Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
« Reply #63 on: October 21, 2008, 05:29:26 PM »
yeah i guess 2 yrs

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Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
« Reply #64 on: October 21, 2008, 05:40:04 PM »
Started lifting when I was 24-25. Took about 2-3 years (not geneticaly gift at all) then tore my rotator cuff. Came back to weights seriously again around 32 and it only took about 8 months THEN ruptured distsl bicep tendon. Took 5-6 months off after surgery and then I went from about 160 lbs to 225 for 6-8 reps in about 3-4 months, thank god for muscle memory but GET THIS. Now I have tendonitis in the tricp and have to see a surgeon tomorrow to see if its ruptured. I may be retiring soon :)

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Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
« Reply #65 on: October 21, 2008, 06:11:26 PM »
About 2 years. Good day that was but not as ground breaking when the 135 for reps was. Now I am getting 275-285 for reps trying to get to the legendary 315.

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Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
« Reply #66 on: October 21, 2008, 06:15:04 PM »
Jay Cutler said he benched like 315 the first time he ever tried.
shut the fuck up, fag emo kid  >:(
shouldn't you be talking about marilyn manson instead of Jay Cutler?  ::)
do you think that you're a bodbuilder emo kid?
you'll NEVER bench 225, your bones are too small, you skinny scrawny twink
....with no abs LOL  ;D
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Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
« Reply #67 on: October 21, 2008, 06:19:33 PM »
shut the fuck up, fag emo kid  >:(
shouldn't you be talking about marilyn manson instead of Jay Cutler?  ::)
do you think that you're a bodbuilder emo kid?
you'll NEVER bench 225, your bones are too small, you skinny scrawny twink
....with no abs LOL  ;D
"skinny-fat"

Boring.

You're lame.
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Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
« Reply #68 on: October 21, 2008, 06:48:36 PM »
This one is a tough one. I think it's akin to an argument between a Muslim and a Christian over who's god is right. The answer, is neither, and both. It all depends.

Here's what I believe to be true. Training to failure will produce myofibril breakdown, which stimulates hypertrophy. No doubt there. It also creates increased metabolic demands on the muscle -- there's some residual benefit to the bodybuilder there. But, there's also the risk of CNS over-stimulation. That's where I have a big problem.

You see, a muscle grows when you break it down and allow it to repair. The more often you repeat this process over the course of a year with a given muscle, the faster it will grow. Makes sense, doesn't it?

So, my ideal is to train just hard enough to create myofibril damage without over-doing it on the CNS. That way, I can get back in the gym and hit that same muscle again the next day, and the day after that, and so on. Repetitive work breeds adaptation.

If my theory were untrue, why do football teams have 3-a-day practices? Why do golfers go to a driving range every day to perfect a swing? Why does a baseball batter hit a batting cage twice a day every day to hone his swing and develop speed and power? The answer is simple -- the more often you use the muscle, the more it grows.

To grow, you must feed it. We all know that. However, if you work your CNS too hard, you burn out. And this burn out prevents you from getting to the gym again and working that muscle group hard.

Let me draw an example for you, and maybe it'll illustrate my point (and I'm not asking you to agree with me. Plenty of folks won't. It's just what I believe to be true):

Here's a week's worth of chest work for me if I need to increase size and strength in this muscle:

Monday: 3 sets of 3 in the bench press
Tuesday: 3 sets of 3 in the bench press
Wednesday: 3 sets of 3 in the bench press
Thursday: 3 sets of 5 in the dumbell flye
Friday: 3 sets of 5 in the dumbell flye
Weekend: Off

Here's a week's worth of chest training for a guy who trains to failure:

Monday: 5 sets of 8 with the bench press. 3 sets of 8 with the incline press. 3 sets of 8 with the incline flye. 3 sets of 15 with dips.
Tuesday: Back
Wednesday: Delts
Thursday: Legs
Friday: Arms
Weekend: Off

Both guys do roughly the same number of sets.

I submit that because I am able to work my pec fibers with heavier weights, and am fresher each time I hit the gym (because I didn't lift to failure), that I will create more repetitive stimulus for better growth throughout the year. On my plan, theoretically, I get 260  mini chest workouts. The "failure" guy gets 52 per year.

Not to mention, how many guys never, ever, miss a single session throughout a year? Let's say you miss a three chest workouts this year. Your productivity has dropped by 6%. Your growth potential has dropped 6%. If I miss 3 workouts, my growth potential only drops by 1%.

You'd be surprised how easily training to failure all-out can burn you out. You're young, and you can hang with it. But it will catch up to you. You'll get colds faster and easier. You'll get hurt more easily. Your form will suffer in the gym more. You'll develop muscular imbalances more quickly.

I've yet to see the evidence proving me wrong. So with that said, because I like it and it works for me, I'll stick to "non-failure".

That said, I'd be a fool to say training to failure is useless. Yes, after that long post, I will admit: training to failure has its benefits. I've used it on numerous occasions. However, this method of training is not sustainable, and should only be used intermittently in planned spurts. Your coach can help you with that.

Excellent post.  Lots of us push too hard in our hunger for progress, I reckon.  I certainly do, and it's probably burned me out and held me back.  Goudy was recently kind enough to point out the obvious to me - if you're tired ALL THE TIME, maybe it would be wise to back it off (as well as some other advice - cheers John!).  After only less than a week of non failure training, I've got more energy already.

I'm on a 4 way split, and I'll probably stick with it for a few months at least, but your approach of training a muscle every day (with moderate intensity, weekend off) is interesting.  It's against modern "conventional wisdom" but I have often wondered about it.  Never tried it since my bad habit of pushing too hard tends to wear me down, so I figured daily training was out of the question, but once I break my bad habit of over intensifying a workout it's something I might take a shot at and see how I handle it.

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Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
« Reply #69 on: October 21, 2008, 07:03:45 PM »
Boring.

You're lame.

This is the homo-est shit I have ever seen. Do the world a favor, double barrell shot gun, insert in mouth and pull both triggers.

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Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
« Reply #70 on: October 21, 2008, 07:56:33 PM »
LoL idiot, the size of your arms has no effect on your wrist size. P.s ide rather have small wrists than be 5ft.8 with a 40" waist and bald head.
 
anyway, i have a bigger dick than you so i win.
I didn't say anything about your arm size, a little self sonscience of something? :D

My wrists are 8 3/4, and I'm 6'2"......with a bald head, you limp wristed fairy.
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
« Reply #71 on: October 21, 2008, 07:58:28 PM »
I didn't say anything about your arm size, a little self sonscience of something? :D

My wrists are 8 3/4, and I'm 6'2"......with a bald head, you limp wristed fairy.
Brutal ownage right there.

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Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
« Reply #72 on: October 21, 2008, 08:19:06 PM »
This one is a tough one. I think it's akin to an argument between a Muslim and a Christian over who's god is right. The answer, is neither, and both. It all depends.

Here's what I believe to be true. Training to failure will produce myofibril breakdown, which stimulates hypertrophy. No doubt there. It also creates increased metabolic demands on the muscle -- there's some residual benefit to the bodybuilder there. But, there's also the risk of CNS over-stimulation. That's where I have a big problem.

You see, a muscle grows when you break it down and allow it to repair. The more often you repeat this process over the course of a year with a given muscle, the faster it will grow. Makes sense, doesn't it?

So, my ideal is to train just hard enough to create myofibril damage without over-doing it on the CNS. That way, I can get back in the gym and hit that same muscle again the next day, and the day after that, and so on. Repetitive work breeds adaptation.

If my theory were untrue, why do football teams have 3-a-day practices? Why do golfers go to a driving range every day to perfect a swing? Why does a baseball batter hit a batting cage twice a day every day to hone his swing and develop speed and power? The answer is simple -- the more often you use the muscle, the more it grows.

To grow, you must feed it. We all know that. However, if you work your CNS too hard, you burn out. And this burn out prevents you from getting to the gym again and working that muscle group hard.

Let me draw an example for you, and maybe it'll illustrate my point (and I'm not asking you to agree with me. Plenty of folks won't. It's just what I believe to be true):

Here's a week's worth of chest work for me if I need to increase size and strength in this muscle:

Monday: 3 sets of 3 in the bench press
Tuesday: 3 sets of 3 in the bench press
Wednesday: 3 sets of 3 in the bench press
Thursday: 3 sets of 5 in the dumbell flye
Friday: 3 sets of 5 in the dumbell flye
Weekend: Off

Here's a week's worth of chest training for a guy who trains to failure:

Monday: 5 sets of 8 with the bench press. 3 sets of 8 with the incline press. 3 sets of 8 with the incline flye. 3 sets of 15 with dips.
Tuesday: Back
Wednesday: Delts
Thursday: Legs
Friday: Arms
Weekend: Off

Both guys do roughly the same number of sets.

I submit that because I am able to work my pec fibers with heavier weights, and am fresher each time I hit the gym (because I didn't lift to failure), that I will create more repetitive stimulus for better growth throughout the year. On my plan, theoretically, I get 260  mini chest workouts. The "failure" guy gets 52 per year.

Not to mention, how many guys never, ever, miss a single session throughout a year? Let's say you miss a three chest workouts this year. Your productivity has dropped by 6%. Your growth potential has dropped 6%. If I miss 3 workouts, my growth potential only drops by 1%.

You'd be surprised how easily training to failure all-out can burn you out. You're young, and you can hang with it. But it will catch up to you. You'll get colds faster and easier. You'll get hurt more easily. Your form will suffer in the gym more. You'll develop muscular imbalances more quickly.

I've yet to see the evidence proving me wrong. So with that said, because I like it and it works for me, I'll stick to "non-failure".

That said, I'd be a fool to say training to failure is useless. Yes, after that long post, I will admit: training to failure has its benefits. I've used it on numerous occasions. However, this method of training is not sustainable, and should only be used intermittently in planned spurts. Your coach can help you with that.
great post, as always!
I completely agree with you again
I knew that failure training taxed your CNS alot
but would a frequency like that allow for time to recover properly?
you would be exercising your whole body everyday with just a few sets I assume?
since you'e not going to failure, you stop 1 rep short of it?
my training program that I'm making for myself looks a lot like this
frequent training, low sets per bodypart, heavy ass weights
I can't wait to try it out in 3 weeks after Mr. Getbig 

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Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
« Reply #73 on: October 21, 2008, 10:02:58 PM »
I was 15 years old., 6'2 @ 150 pounds body weight. I took power lifting in high school. I reached 225 after the first class, semester or quarter(whatever). On a side note, by my senior year I was 180 pounds and my max was 315 at that point. My best ever was 445 at 225 pound bw @ 28 years of age ten years ago. So close to doubling my bw in bench.
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Re: How long had you been training for when you first hit 225 on Bench Press
« Reply #74 on: October 21, 2008, 10:28:16 PM »
I didn't say anything about your arm size, a little self sonscience of something? :D

My wrists are 8 3/4
Gayer than bragging about wrist thickness, you definatly have a small dick, do you drive a pickup truck aswell?

p.s you might want to remove Jeffro's tongue from your fat sweaty anus.
and jeffro, you probably haven't even benched 225 yet you little shemale so shut the fuck up.