G4P...Were you better off not knowing?

[Fatpanda]

Does that matter?  Let me put it this way: it is not who you think it is.  I will never name him, but other members of that board (who are also on getbig) probably remember the entire episode I described and they know who he is.

yes it matters - it will help me narrow down my witch hunt 

[wavelength]

looking for a sponsor candy ? 

[BayGBM]

i think some unnamed parties were actually happy when they found out

For schadenfreude or because they wanted to make a purchase? 

[drkaje]

Good point about drug addicts.  But I don't think it's fair to say G4P does not surprise anyone.  My PMs confirm that many guys learned about it here for the first time and have had their bubble burst.  Being naïve about this makes sense when you're 17, but by the time you're 40 one should know better.   

No one is surprised when a crack head takes money for a BJ, LOL!

Any bubble bursting effect you speak of is probably more due to the closeted curious being shocked at how easy getting next to some of their heros really would be.

Even people who don't do G4P or straight up prostitution probably sponge off hangers on to some extent or occasionally hit an ugly chick (with a credit card to order sups and have them delivered) for the greater good. How many fat schmoes have you heard of going broke trying to help a fitness chick's career? It's not prostitution but a lot of them take advantage of people all the time to get free stuff or extra help.

[Topskin69]

I'm sorry, but I fail to see the big deal about moderate forms of "G4P." Can any of you tell me honestly that if some schmuck was willing to pay you in excess of $500 for 30-60 min of non-touch worship you wouldn't do it? Especially if you allready made your money by posing in a thong. Its not that far of a leap from a bodybuilding stage to someones private residence/hotel. If we are talking about sucking/fucking that is a different story, but if your body is how you made your living, I don't see too many people turning down easy cash, for just posing for someone.

Another thing to consider is that your average pro/upcoming amateur, probably has ego/insecurity issues that would enable him to actually enjoy the experience, not from a sexual standpoint mind you, but from the thrill that they know that they can charge somebody, (male or female), to procure their body for sexual gratification.

I would speculate that a lot of this has to do with the basic male psyche...(only in the average bodybuilders case one can amplify that). When you start transforming your body, and people begin to take notice of that....the sense of validation is quite gratifying. It probably doesn't matter where that attention comes from at that point... it still feeds that ego, and that sense of insecurity that probably prompted you to change yourself to begin with.

In a nutshell I think that "G4P" is more common then people would think, (but probably not quite as prevalent as Bay would have us believe...at least at the pro level), and I think the straight bodybuilders that engage in this activity (mostly) enjoy the attention. Just not for sexual reasons....

M!

[BayGBM]

I'm sorry, but I fail to see the big deal about moderate forms of "G4P." Can any of you tell me honestly that if some schmuck was willing to pay you in excess of $500 for 30-60 min of non-touch worship you wouldn't do it? Especially if you allready made your money by posing in a thong. Its not that far of a leap from a bodybuilding stage to someones private residence/hotel. If we are talking about sucking/fucking that is a different story, but if your body is how you made your living, I don't see too many people turning down easy cash, for just posing for someone.

Another thing to consider is that your average pro/upcoming amateur, probably has ego/insecurity issues that would enable him to actually enjoy the experience, not from a sexual standpoint mind you, but from the thrill that they know that they can charge somebody, (male or female), to procure their body for sexual gratification.

I would speculate that a lot of this has to do with the basic male psyche...(only in the average bodybuilders case one can amplify that). When you start transforming your body, and people begin to take notice of that....the sense of validation is quite gratifying. It probably doesn't matter where that attention comes from at that point... it still feeds that ego, and that sense of insecurity that probably prompted you to change yourself to begin with.

In a nutshell I think that "G4P" is more common then people would think, (but probably not quite as prevalent as Bay would have us believe...at least at the pro level), and I think the straight bodybuilders that engage in this activity (mostly) enjoy the attention. Just not for sexual reasons....

M!

Your reply is thoughtful and provocative.  I am particularly intrigued by your claim that "It's not that far of a leap from a bodybuilding stage to someone's private residence/hotel."

I wonder how many getbiggers, amateurs, and pros would agree with that.    Mentally, I think it would be a huge leap for a lot of guys.

[drkaje]

Some of them probably make less money on the stage.

[Hedgehog]

Yet another Bay attention whore thread

Bay: "If you only knew the names of those who does G4P..."

The rest of Getbig: "Tell us"

Bay: "You wouldn't believe me"

The rest of Getbig: "Come on, tell us"

Bay: "No, I won't tell you, despite that it was me who started the thread and brought up the topic. I'm just loving the attention"

[Earl1972]

Yet another Bay attention whore thread

Bay: "If you only knew the names of those who does G4P..."

The rest of Getbig: "Tell us"

Bay: "You wouldn't believe me"

The rest of Getbig: "Come on, tell us"

Bay: "No, I won't tell you, despite that it was me who started the thread and brought up the topic. I'm just loving the attention"

good point

"topskin69" too

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[BayGBM]

Yet another Bay attention whore thread

Bay: "If you only knew the names of those who does G4P..."

The rest of Getbig: "Tell us"

Bay: "You wouldn't believe me"

The rest of Getbig: "Come on, tell us"

Bay: "No, I won't tell you, despite that it was me who started the thread and brought up the topic. I'm just loving the attention"

If you feel that way, why are you reading and posting in this thread?  On page 3 no less?    Presumably, you have better things to do with your time.  At the very least, you have more than 500 other threads to choose from... yet here you are.

[drkaje]

How about making a list of people who haven't done G4P?

[Topskin69]

Your reply is thoughtful and provocative.  I am particularly intrigued by your claim that "It's not that far of a leap from a bodybuilding stage to someone's private residence/hotel."

I wonder how many getbiggers, amateurs, and pros would agree with that.    Mentally, I think it would be a huge leap for a lot of guys

Well....I don't think that many of  the aforementioned people would readily admit it, but truth be told, it really isn't that far of a leap. Think about it.... everything is a progression... Would a rookie bodybuilder feel comfortable posing in a gym mirror while other people are looking? Would a beginning bodybuilder feel comfortable taking steroids at first, (in light of our societies stigma towards them?)

Probably not.... but as time progresses...so does ones comfort level, and perhaps even ones confidence. Its not long before one probably says to themselves, (I will start taking steroids, but no insulin, only small cycles, etc), then its more drugs, then more exotic things like insulin, gh, etc...

This runs parallel with ones sexual comfort level in this "sport." At first one would feel awkward about posing in front of men, both because it is sexually awkward, and because one has to feel comfortable with their physique first. That line also erodes after time... its not long before stomaching the courage to join a bodybuilding competition......and that line in the sand keeps getting stretched further and further...

How far this line will go depends on many variables, but the main two, would be, how far that person is, (is he a top amateur, upcoming pro, etc), or how deluded one might think of his potential in this endeavor.

This of course wouldn't apply to everyone....but to most people on their way up the ladder. Once you are at the upper echelon, it would be counterproductive to indulge people and "G4P." But for those that aren't elite....it is an enticing offer.

Keep in mind that part of the appeal of this sport, whether one realizes it or not, is the Rouge Mentality that one has to adopt to make it. Never mind the G4P for a min... one has to effectively become a criminal to make it in bodybuilding. Its a slippery slope from there...so no I don't think it is a far stretch from a bodybuilding stage to someones living room, and to be honest, that doesn't really bother me. (At least not from a moral standpoint.)

M!

[timfogarty]

In a nutshell I think that "G4P" is more common then people would think, (but probably not quite as prevalent as Bay would have us believe...at least at the pro level), and I think the straight bodybuilders that engage in this activity (mostly) enjoy the attention. Just not for sexual reasons....

even in "30-60 min of non-touch worship" the client is having sex.   I don't know too many straight or gay boys who'd be willing to be in the same room while some schmoe is jacking off.

[drkaje]

even in "30-60 min of non-touch worship" the client is having sex.   I don't know too many straight or gay boys who'd be willing to be in the same room while some schmoe is jacking off.

Gross, TF!!

Gross!!

[Topskin69]

even in "30-60 min of non-touch worship" the client is having sex.   I don't know too many straight or gay boys who'd be willing to be in the same room while some schmoe is jacking off

I appreciate your input Tim, but I think that you are looking at this from too black&white if an angle. To the AVERAGE straight person sure.... but keep in mind that your typical hardcore bodybuilder is not anywhere CLOSE to being average....if they were they wouldn't be involved in bodybuilding, (at least at the level that we are discussing) in the first place!

Bodybuilding is a subculture! What do all subcultures have in common? They attract people that for one reason or another felt alienated from the mainstream of society. This applies to all of us...it is just a matter of degree.

I don't think that using a typical person as a point of refrence is valid when disscussing a bodybuilders psyche.

M!

[drkaje]

I appreciate your input Tim, but I think that you are looking at this from too black&white if an angle. To the AVERAGE straight person sure.... but keep in mind that your typical hardcore bodybuilder is not anywhere CLOSE to being average....if they were they wouldn't be involved in bodybuilding, (at least at the level that we are discussing) in the first place!

Bodybuilding is a subculture! What do all subcultures have in common? They attract people that for one reason or another felt alienated from the mainstream of society. This applies to all of us...it is just a matter of degree.

I don't think that using a typical person as a point of refrence is valid when disscussing a bodybuilders psyche.

M!

Straight is straight, LOL!

Plus I can't get TF's image out of my head.

[timfogarty]

I appreciate your input Tim, but I think that you are looking at this from too black&white if an angle. To the AVERAGE straight person sure....

read what I wrote again...  I don't know too many straight or gay boys....even guys who have no problem with gay sex, who've been around lots of peni, would still be uncomfortable with schmoes masturbating.   perhaps that's one reason why escorting is generally looked down upon in the gay community.

[drkaje]

read what I wrote again...  I don't know too many straight or gay boys....even guys who have no problem with gay sex, who've been around lots of peni, would still be uncomfortable with schmoes masturbating.   perhaps that's one reason why escorting is generally looked down upon in the gay community.

You also must keep a safe distance.

[Topskin69]

 

read what I wrote again...  I don't know too many straight or gay boys....even guys who have no problem with gay sex, who've been around lots of peni, would still be uncomfortable with schmoes masturbating.   perhaps that's one reason why escorting is generally looked down upon in the gay community

At first sure.... but it only takes once to cross that line....and it will become easier and easier each sucessive time. Add this fact with the narrcisism of your average bodybuilder....and I dont see this as being that far fetched. Will it ever be fufilling to that person...no of course not..... but it will be easy.

Why do you think a lot of female strippers stay caught in that lifestyle. They dont enjoy it. They do it beacuse its easy.....far easier then a real job.

M!

[drkaje]

At first sure.... but it only takes once to cross that line....and it will become easier and easier each sucessive time. Add this fact with the narrcisism of your average bodybuilder....and I dont see this as being that far fetched. Will it ever be fufilling to that person...no of course not..... but it will be easy.

Why do you think a lot of female strippers stay caught in that lifestyle. They dont enjoy it. They do it beacuse its easy.....far easier then a real job.

M!

Many strippers have drug issues that drive lifestyle choices.

But that's straight sex. Even if it isn't... hot lesbians are sweet.

[BayGBM]

read what I wrote again...  I don't know too many straight or gay boys....even guys who have no problem with gay sex, who've been around lots of peni, would still be uncomfortable with schmoes masturbating.   perhaps that's one reason why escorting is generally looked down upon in the gay community.

Hmm, yes and no.  I see Timo’s point but I think Topskin69 is onto something.  Gay or straight some guys are exhibitionists (as the pix below prove) and by the time you are posing on stage in a thong you have embraced your exhibitionist streak.  Having done that, the leap from contest stage to a more private setting is less jarring than it might be for an average gay or straight person who is not used to showing themselves off to the rest of the world.

As a general rule, I think sex (and expressions of sex) are less stigmatized in gay life.  I do not patronize sex clubs and bath houses, for example, but friends who do have provided me with colorful accounts of group sex, circle jerks, etc. between relative strangers in those venues.  Is there a big difference between circle jerking with strangers and being in a room with a masturbating schmoe?  I would say no.

Money on the table can get people past a lot of their anxieties.  Add to the mix the perception that “every body’s doing it” and I imagine that it becomes easier and easier to go down this path.

[Topskin69]

Many strippers have drug issues that drive lifestyle choices.

This is a good point. You dont think this applies to the bodybuilding community? Look how many people have been hooked on Nubain, other painkillers, X, not to mention the fact that one has to pay for large amounts of GH, and Steroids.

I dont care who you are....GH isnt cheap. Many of these factors weigh in on the decision of someone that goes down this road.

That being said.... IF we were to take a poll of average people both in the Straight, and GAy community, how many of them would feel comfortable slapping on some posing trunks and posing in front of a large group of (mostly) men.

My guess NOT THAT MANY. Once again....the leap is not nearly as far as we would like to believe.

M!

[timfogarty]

I do not patronize sex clubs and bath houses, for example, but friends who do have provided me with colorful accounts of group sex, circle jerks, etc between relative strangers.  Is there a difference between a circle jerking with strangers and being in a room with a masturbating schmoe?

yes, you usually only participate if you find some attraction towards the other guys.

as I've written before, all the guys I've meet over the years who made their money from escorting were either fucked up to begin with, or end up being fucked up in the head.  unless you are very selective about your clients, you have to be really detached to be able to perform like that on a regular basis.

[drkaje]

Bay,

I've seen women at 26 weeks with smaller bellies than those two guys.

[BayGBM]

yes, you usually only participate if you find some attraction towards the other guys.

That makes perfect sense, but with the schmoe the money "makes" the bodybuilder attracted.  In other words, it makes him want to be there.  In both the sex club circle jerk setting and the bodybuilder/schmoe setting, relative strangers are engaged in a sexual transaction/encounter.

I am no exhibitionist, but if some schmoe wanted to worship your bicep for $500 how many young, poor, gymrats (gay or straight) would say no?