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Re: McCain's response to Syria - WTF?
« Reply #25 on: October 28, 2008, 09:26:18 AM »
Syria Raid Signals Bold, New U.S. Stance

Monday, October 27, 2008 7:20 PM

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WASHINGTON — Bold U.S. raids into Pakistan and Syria show the stark choice the Bush administration is putting to both friends and adversaries in its final weeks: Clamp down on militants and terrorists or we'll do it for you.


Raids like the one in Syria on Sunday hold the potential to kill or capture wanted al-Qaida terrorists or other militants, but they also risk killing civilians and angering foreign governments and their citizens.


Selective U.S. military action across the borders of nations friendly and unfriendly reflects increasing willingness to embrace what U.S. commanders consider a last resort: violating the sovereignty of a nation with whom the U.S. is not at war.


It's a demonstration of overt military strength that the U.S. has been reluctant to display in public for fear it would backfire on U.S. forces or supporters within the governments of the nations whose borders were breached.


Now, senior U.S. officials favor judicious use of the newly aggressive tactics, seeing more upsides than down. They reason that whatever diplomatic damage is done will be mitigated when Bush leaves office and a new president is inaugurated.


The raid in Syria also comes about a week before a presidential election that sees John McCain, the candidate of President George W. Bush's Republican Party, lagging behind Democrat Barack Obama. Such a show of strength could boost McCain's standing among some voters.


A new administration could, in fact, help mend fences with Syria, where the government has already said it is looking forward to a better relationship with the next U.S. president, said Anthony Cordesman, a Middle East expert with the Center for Strategic and International Studies.


In Pakistan, however, special operations raids could box in the new American president by inflaming an already outraged public.


"Public opinion is already very strongly against the U.S. and 'anti' any U.S. role or interference," Cordesman said. "It's not clear that you are not building up a broad public resistance that will bind the next administration."


The target of Sunday's raid in Sukkariyeh, Syria, just over the Iraq border from Husaybah was a man known as Abu Ghadiyah, the leader of the most prolific network to move al-Qaida associated foreign fighters into Iraq.


The U.S. operation was precipitated by intelligence that he was planning an imminent attack in Iraq, a senior U.S. official told The Associated Press. U.S. intelligence picked up similar reports last spring. The information ? not detailed enough to take action on ? was followed by the killings of 11 Iraqi policemen just over the border from Abu Ghadiyah's Syrian compound. He personally led the attack, the official said.


"The trip wire was knowing an attack was imminent, and also being able to pinpoint his location," the official said.


Abu Ghadiyah, the nickname for Badran Turki Hishan Al Mazidih, was among those killed, a U.S. counterterrorism official confirmed Monday. All the officials spoke anonymously to discuss sensitive intelligence about the raid.


The attack was carried out at 4:45 p.m., timed to coincide with the customary afternoon rest period. A ground attack was chosen over a missile strike to reduce the chances of hurting civilians not associated with Abu Ghadiyah's network, the official said.


Syria said troops in four helicopters attacked a building and killed eight people, including four children.


The U.S. official confirmed that women and children were at the house, but he said "they were protected at the objective and left behind." He did not specifically address whether any women and children were among the casualties. He said "several" men were killed and identified them as Abu Ghadiyah's body guards.


The cross-border action from U.S. positions inside Iraq comes at a touchy time in U.S.-Iraqi relations. The two sides are negotiating an agreement to extend the legal basis for American forces in Iraq after a U.N. mandate expires on Dec. 31.


Opponents led by Iran worry that a long-term U.S. military presence in Iraq is an invitation to the Americans to use Iraq as a staging ground for attacks against its neighbors. The Iraqis insist they will not allow that.


The attack comes at time when Syria has been working to improve its image in the world. And periodically, U.S. commanders have noted that Damascus has worked harder to clamp down on the use of its country by terrorists.


Bush secretly approved a separate directive three months ago allowing special operations forces to cross the Afghan border to conduct raids inside Pakistan.


Just one such raid has been carried out, according to a senior Pakistan government official. Helicopter-borne U.S. special forces conducted a raid Sept. 3 inside Pakistan. Islamabad has complained bitterly about the move, which it says killed two dozen people, including civilians, and violated its sovereignty.


The raid capped nearly a year of debate among the CIA, U.S. special forces and commanders in Iraq about how to handle the Syrian tributary of the Iraq foreign fighter problem, according to a former intelligence official and a current U.S. military official who deals with Iraq.


The United States has been asking Syria to hand over, capture or kill Abu Ghadiyah for months or years. The U.S. Treasury Department claims he ran a resupply operation on the Syrian border.


Syria rebuffed the U.S. request, saying it was monitoring Abu Ghadiyah's activities, said two U.S. military officials with direct recent knowledge of U.S. intelligence in western Iraq.


The raid came just days after the commander of U.S. forces in western Iraq said American troops were redoubling efforts to secure the Syrian border, which he called an "uncontrolled" gateway for fighters entering Iraq.


Syria called the raid a "serious aggression," and its foreign ministry summoned the charges d'affaires of the United States and Iraq in protest.


The U.S has become frustrated with the use of Pakistan's northwestern tribal areas as a safe haven for militants over the nearly seven years since the Taliban was rousted from Afghanistan for harboring Osama bin Laden.


U.S. forces, including the CIA, continue to conduct missile attacks inside the border region but is doing so in closer coordination with the Pakistan government, a Pakistani official said. He spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence matters.


On Monday, suspected U.S. missiles killed 20 people at the house of a Taliban commander near the Afghan border on Monday, the latest volley in a two-month onslaught on militant bases inside Pakistan, officials said.


Missile attacks have killed at least two senior al-Qaida commanders in Pakistan's wild border zone this year, putting some pressure on extremist groups accused of planning attacks in Afghanistan ? and perhaps terror strikes in the West.

 
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Re: McCain's response to Syria - WTF?
« Reply #26 on: October 28, 2008, 09:31:38 AM »
Thats where this thing is headed. We will be focusing all our efforts there but its a different war and a different endstate. We will need to decide what is good enough. We have to decide what is acceptable. Democracy won't work...they don't care. There are very few educated people, so rebuilding is harder....we have to decide what to do about the situation  drug etc. I understand far more about Afghanistan then Iraq anyway and hope to debate this topic. Iraq is over gents...its all headed to Afghanistan. Its a mess...we may be able to get it to the level of a 3rd world country but more likely we'll do our best to kill as many Taliban/AQA folks and settle for that.
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Re: McCain's response to Syria - WTF?
« Reply #27 on: October 28, 2008, 09:35:40 AM »
There are plenty of great books to educate yourself on this. I would suggest reading as much as u can. Our other big problem is that few of our Nato allies actually do anything over there. The Commonwealth nations all contribute but after that, nobody is willing to do anything. Most try and get assigned to the North, where things are and have been safe. Interestingly enough many SOF units, from countries that don't admit to or identify with the GWOT, are all there playing around. Oddly the German SOF units, stationed there, never carried out any mission and are being pulled out. I saw several units there, that I'm sure, don't admit to playing.
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Re: McCain's response to Syria - WTF?
« Reply #28 on: October 28, 2008, 10:13:44 AM »
You and Obama are on the same page on this issue, when it comes to what to focus over there then?

How is your impression of his ability to understand 'real' politics - that you and others get to see the effects of.

Does he have any hands on ability?   
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Re: McCain's response to Syria - WTF?
« Reply #29 on: October 28, 2008, 10:18:51 AM »
Aren't Syria and Jordan are enemies of official US policy? I don't know if those governments could stay in power if the officially recognized Israel's right to the land.

The UN and British created this mess, where are they when it's time to clean up?

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Re: McCain's response to Syria - WTF?
« Reply #30 on: October 28, 2008, 12:41:14 PM »
We train much of the Jordainian military...the current king is a graduate of our Armor Advanced course at Ft Knox and I think our Ranger school but not sure. We have very close ties with the Government, regardless of what the people think.

Hedge....I don't think Obama has a good grasp of what's going on in Afghanistan based on some of his statements..invading Pakistan or we need more troops....its alot of knee jerk reaction or just spitting out the opposite of what Bush is doing. We could not go into Pakistan with Mushariff in charge because that would have caused his overthrown, potententially witha nutbag in charge, we allowed evenets to take their course. Their intel services are actively backing the Taliban, and I'm not sure how that is currently shaking out. It is in the strategic best interest of Pakistan that Afghanistan remain a friggen mess. That focuses the attention of the nutbags in the tribal area's away from the Central paki government. Obama chaired a sub committe on Afghanistan and did nothing with it. This is a very very confusing problem and defeating the AQ elemenst there will cause thsi war to slow to a crawl...rebuilding Afghanistan is another matter. I wish we could talk this over a beer so i could lay alot a background stuff as well as things I've been privy to.
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Re: McCain's response to Syria - WTF?
« Reply #31 on: June 16, 2011, 07:23:36 AM »
Obama' doing a bang up job in Syria 240 no? 

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Re: McCain's response to Syria - WTF?
« Reply #32 on: June 16, 2011, 07:59:42 AM »
333 making 240 look more and more like a moron every day.

240, why don't you just save us the trouble and willingly divulge every ass backward prediction and overwhelmingly inaccurate judgement that you've made since Obama took office.

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