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« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2008, 10:11:16 PM »

It's a change election.  

For this first time since I learned about all the holes in the 911 story, I had hope for America tonight.
For the first time since I lost faith in my Republican party, I had a really positive vision for America's future position in the world.

We bullied the world for the last 8 years, and they're now in a posisiton to destroy us economically.  There is only one candidate who can fix these relationships with the world.  Mccain is not the one.  We can no longer bully everyone - they will bankrupt us.

Quoted for EPIC TRUTH  Cry
I wish the rest of America was as smart as you 240
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« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2008, 10:17:12 PM »

2004 Speech was amazing for those who haven`t seen it!

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWynt87PaJ0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWynt87PaJ0</a>
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« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2008, 10:22:13 PM »

Thank you, ASJ.

I get frustrated with politics, have to leave it alone now and then.

but nights like tonight are magical.  If Obama wins, you know what is defeated?

not the crime syndicate that's been running things.

No, FEAR is defeated.  That's what.  FEAR loses if Obama wins.  It means people are no longer scared of some US-funded boogeyman on dialysis living in a cave in pakistan we're not allowed to bomb.

FEAR loses in 6 days.   FEAR is defeated.  We've been told only Repubs can protect us - but in 8 years they let 911 happen then let Bin laden escape and live free. 


Fuck FEAR.  Fear will be defeated.
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« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2008, 10:22:44 PM »

you and her look about the same size
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« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2008, 10:23:40 PM »

Thank you, ASJ.

I get frustrated with politics, have to leave it alone now and then.

but nights like tonight are magical.  If Obama wins, you know what is defeated?

not the crime syndicate that's been running things.

No, FEAR is defeated.  That's what.  FEAR loses if Obama wins.  It means people are no longer scared of some US-funded boogeyman on dialysis living in a cave in pakistan we're not allowed to bomb.

FEAR loses in 6 days.   FEAR is defeated.  We've been told only Repubs can protect us - but in 8 years they let 911 happen then let Bin laden escape and live free. 


Fuck FEAR.  Fear will be defeated.
For how long?
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« Reply #30 on: October 29, 2008, 10:24:21 PM »

Thank you, ASJ.

I get frustrated with politics, have to leave it alone now and then.

but nights like tonight are magical.  If Obama wins, you know what is defeated?

not the crime syndicate that's been running things.

No, FEAR is defeated.  That's what.  FEAR loses if Obama wins.  It means people are no longer scared of some US-funded boogeyman on dialysis living in a cave in pakistan we're not allowed to bomb.

FEAR loses in 6 days.   FEAR is defeated.  We've been told only Repubs can protect us - but in 8 years they let 911 happen then let Bin laden escape and live free. 


Fuck FEAR.  Fear will be defeated.
I will honestly celebrate when Obama wins  Cheesy
such an amazing man


what if McCain wins?  Huh Huh Huh
OH GOD
life for humanity is over
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« Reply #31 on: October 29, 2008, 10:27:05 PM »

You guys might like this.  It is the beginning of a documentary that a friend of mine has made.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw47KRkrm9s" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw47KRkrm9s</a>
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« Reply #32 on: October 29, 2008, 10:28:15 PM »

FEAR will be defeated for about 40 years.  Two generations.  We know the truth, and you bet your ass our offspring will.

Then, people will get lazy and complacent.  And it'll happen again.

40 years ago, vietnam.  Fake boogeyman was a dinosaur named communism.

25 year before that, WWII.  Bush's granddaddy funded the idiot called nazism/fascism.

With the web, who knows.  Maybe future generations will realize you can't pull another 911 because the people won't forget again.  You can't just start 2 elective wars and expect people to enlist anymore.  You can't just borrow a trillion per year and expect your currency to be stable.



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« Reply #33 on: October 29, 2008, 10:29:37 PM »

240 do you talk like you type?

What does your woman look like?

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« Reply #34 on: October 29, 2008, 10:30:28 PM »

FEAR will be defeated for about 40 years.  Two generations.  We know the truth, and you bet your ass our offspring will.

Then, people will get lazy and complacent.  And it'll happen again.

40 years ago, vietnam.  Fake boogeyman was a dinosaur named communism.

25 year before that, WWII.  Bush's granddaddy funded the idiot called nazism/fascism.

With the web, who knows.  Maybe future generations will realize you can't pull another 911 because the people won't forget again.  You can't just start 2 elective wars and expect people to enlist anymore.  You can't just borrow a trillion per year and expect your currency to be stable.




The real question is can we expect to close our borders, can we expect to curtail the drug/gang problem that seems to be controlled from Mexico? Can we expect chicken breasts and fresh vegetables hot on our plate when we get home from work?
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« Reply #35 on: October 29, 2008, 10:32:06 PM »

FEAR will be defeated for about 40 years.  Two generations.  We know the truth, and you bet your ass our offspring will.

Then, people will get lazy and complacent.  And it'll happen again.

40 years ago, vietnam.  Fake boogeyman was a dinosaur named communism.

25 year before that, WWII.  Bush's granddaddy funded the idiot called nazism/fascism.

With the web, who knows.  Maybe future generations will realize you can't pull another 911 because the people won't forget again.
 You can't just start 2 elective wars and expect people to enlist anymore.  You can't just borrow a trillion per year and expect your currency to be stable.




You have HIT THE NAIL on the head my friend!  I read this the other day and it is true!


The Internet and the Death of Rovian Politics

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Arianna Huffington


Age has finally become an issue for John McCain. But the problem isn't the candidate's 72 years; it's the antediluvian approach of his campaign.

McCain is running a textbook Rovian race: fear-based, smear-based, anything goes. But it isn't working. The glitch in the well-oiled machine? The Internet.

"We are witnessing the end of Rovian politics," Eric Schmidt, CEO of Google told me. And YouTube, which Google bought in 2006 for $1.65 billion, is one of the causes of its demise.

Thanks to YouTube -- and blogging and instant fact-checking and viral emails -- it is getting harder and harder to get away with repeating brazen lies without paying a price, or to run under-the-radar smear campaigns without being exposed.

But the McCain campaign hasn't gotten the message, hence the blizzard of racist, alarmist, xenophobic, innuendo-laden accusations being splattered at Obama.

And it seems that the worse McCain is doing in the polls, the more his team is relying on the same gutter tactics. So over the next 15 days, look for the McCain campaign to become even uglier. That's what happens when following Rovian politics is your only strategy -- and Rovian politics isn't working.

McCain has stockpiled his campaign with Rove henchmen, including not one but three of the people responsible for the political mugging inflicted on him in 2000.

Just last week he brought on Warren Tompkins in an "unofficial" capacity to see how receptive North Carolina would be to some Rovian slime. After all, it's right next door to South Carolina, where in 2000 Tomkins and his buddies in the Bush campaign spread race-baiting rumors about McCain having an illegitimate black daughter (referring to McCain's adopted Bangladeshi daughter Bridget).

And those disgraceful robocalls that McCain is running? They were done with the help of Jeff Larson and his firm FLS-Connect -- the same firm that created the robocalls smearing McCain in 2000.

At the time, McCain's reaction to the attacks on him was: "I believe that there is a special place in hell for people like these."

His reaction now? I have a special place in my campaign for people like these!

So the Karl Rove specials keep coming. Obama and Ayers. Obama the Socialist. Obama and ACORN "destroying the fabric of democracy." Palin (herself the manifestation of Rovian decision-making) delineating which parts of "this great nation of ours" are "pro-American." (Interestingly, the sites of the 9/11 attacks didn't make the list.)

And, did you hear, Obama is also... black! And he wants to give your money to all the poor black people! McCain didn't come right out and say that, but it's surely what he insinuated in his radio address this weekend: "Barack Obama's tax plan would convert the IRS into a giant welfare agency." Somewhere, Karl Rove is smiling, Richard Nixon's southern strategy is waxing nostalgic, and John McCain's missing moral compass is getting steamed about John Lewis' evocation of the civil rights struggle.

But there is a diamond amidst all this dung: the lack of traction this Rovian politics is getting. It's as if Rove and his political arsonists keep lighting fires, only to see them doused by the powerful information spray the Internet has made possible.

The Internet has enabled the public to get to know candidates in a much fuller and more intimate way than in the old days (i.e. four years ago), when voters got to know them largely through 30-second campaign ads and quick sound bites chosen by TV news producers.

Compare that to the way over 6 million viewers (on YouTube alone) were able to watch the entirety of Obama's 37-minute speech on race -- or the thousands of other videos posted by the campaign and its supporters.

Back in the Dark Ages of 2004, when YouTube (and HuffPost, for that matter) didn't exist, a campaign could tell a brazen lie, and the media might call them on it. But if they kept repeating the lie again and again and again, the media would eventually let it go (see the Swiftboating of John Kerry). Traditional media like moving on to the next shiny thing. But bloggers love revisiting a story. So when Palin kept repeating her bridge to nowhere lie, bloggers kept calling her on it. Andrew Sullivan, for one, has made a cottage industry of calling Palin on her lies. And eventually, the truth filtered up and cost McCain credibility with his true base: journalists.

The Internet may make it easier to disseminate character smears, but it also makes it much less likely that these smears will stick.

As a result, the McCain campaign's insinuation-laden "Who is Barack Obama?" was rendered more comical than spooky. Who is Barack Obama? The guy we've been watching over and over and over during the last two years. We've seen him. We know him. And we can remind ourselves about him with a quick Google search and a mouse click.

Obama "has shown the same untroubled self-confidence day after day," and "over the past two years, Obama has clearly worn well with voters." Those are the words of David Brooks, who has gotten to know Obama just like the rest of us.

Four years ago, McCain's Rovian race-based appeals to our darker demons might have worked. This year, they are blowing up in McCain's face. And in the face of the entire GOP.

Colin Powell's endorsement of Obama as "a transformational figure" was powerful. But even more powerful was his withering indictment of the state of the Republican Party and the cancer of Rovian politics.

It was similar to the diagnosis of Christopher Buckley following his endorsement of Obama: "To paraphrase a real conservative, Ronald Reagan, I haven't left the Republican Party. It left me."

There are many other anti-Rove Republicans abandoning their party. I've had several Republican friends tell me privately what Powell and Buckley told the world publicly: that they're voting for Obama. Most of them not because they like Obama, but because they can't stand what Bush, Rove and now McCain and Palin have done to their party.

Rovian politics may or may not end up destroying the GOP. But, thanks to the Internet, with a bit of luck it will no longer have the power to befoul our democracy.
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« Reply #36 on: October 29, 2008, 10:33:56 PM »

240 do you talk like you type?
What does your woman look like?

I don't talk politics much in real life.  People around here don't want to hear it form me lol...

My woman goes to sleep about 3 seconds into anything political I talk about Smiley
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« Reply #37 on: October 29, 2008, 10:34:55 PM »

If only all Americans were as smart as Adam and 240  Cry
my job of trying to "inform" them of what is going on in THEIR OWN country would be much easier
I have been battling this same old bullshit myself and trying to wake people up
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« Reply #38 on: October 29, 2008, 10:35:46 PM »

I see you still haven't found the squat rack TA, nice pic
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« Reply #39 on: October 29, 2008, 10:36:43 PM »

You know what else?

The minute Obama turns crooked - there will be another Ron Paul that will come from the republican side.

Then, we have "Hope vs. Paul"... and things keep improving.

RP woke up a lot of people.  RP told us the war was BS, and 911 was BS, and blowing all this $ was BS.

RP didn't win, but he sure paved the way for ten Ron pauls to arrive in 2012, and a hundred Ron pauls to arrive in 2016.  True Adonis might end up being a Ron paul.  There will be candidates who aren't for sale, who aren't about fear and who aren't politicians - they're Americans.

Obama got the RP vote - it's that simple.
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« Reply #40 on: October 29, 2008, 10:37:41 PM »

It is no small wonder why all of Reagan`s former advisors Endorse Barack Obama.  Reagan is way more Obama than he is Mccain.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX8X_FsBCDk" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX8X_FsBCDk</a>
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« Reply #41 on: October 29, 2008, 10:37:58 PM »

If only all Americans were as smart as Adam and 240  Cry
my job of trying to "inform" them of what is going on in THEIR OWN country would be much easier
I have been battling this same old bullshit myself and trying to wake people up

3 years ago, on the brand new political board, it was night and day.

3 of us watching 'loose change', scratching our heads.
17 other members telling us WMD was real, war wasn't about oil, etc.

Now, it's more like 17 to 3.  Sides reversed.
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« Reply #42 on: October 29, 2008, 10:40:16 PM »

3 years ago, on the brand new political board, it was night and day.

3 of us watching 'loose change', scratching our heads.
17 other members telling us WMD was real, war wasn't about oil, etc.

Now, it's more like 17 to 3.  Sides reversed.
have you watched Zeitgeist?
part 2 is about 9/11
part 3 about all the "men behind the scenes"

I have the links if you want, I uploaded them myself after all  Smiley
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« Reply #43 on: October 29, 2008, 10:42:36 PM »

Yes, good movie.  The religion part floored me.  Absolutely knocked me on my ass and undid everything I thought I knew.

ZG is way above my comprehension.  US politics is about as high as I can understand.  I avoid mid east (pal/isr) politics, and don't have a clue how the world is run.  Above my pay grade!
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« Reply #44 on: October 29, 2008, 10:42:55 PM »

You guys might like this.  It is the beginning of a documentary that a friend of mine has made.

Great clip!! When is it going to be finished?
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« Reply #45 on: October 29, 2008, 10:44:42 PM »

If only all Americans were as smart as Adam and 240  Cry
my job of trying to "inform" them of what is going on in THEIR OWN country would be much easier
I have been battling this same old bullshit myself and trying to wake people up
Helping educate others is the single most important thing.  The impact you, 240 and others have are VERY great. Reaching just one person is enough to reach 10 more, then 100 more and so on as the facts spread.

Joe Biden has a great Quote and it is one of my favorites:

"You’re entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts".

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« Reply #46 on: October 29, 2008, 10:45:21 PM »

Yes, good movie.  The religion part floored me.  Absolutely knocked me on my ass and undid everything I thought I knew.

ZG is way above my comprehension.  US politics is about as high as I can understand.  I avoid mid east (pal/isr) politics, and don't have a clue how the world is run.  Above my pay grade!
that's why I ONLY said part 2 and 3  Grin Grin Grin

people who don't believe in god have no hope, no one to rely on in time of need

then again my religious beliefs and politics are two different things  Smiley
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« Reply #47 on: October 29, 2008, 10:45:51 PM »

Helping educate others is the single most important thing.  The impact you, 240 and others have are VERY great. Reaching just one person is enough to reach 10 more, then 100 more and so on as the facts spread.

Joe Biden has a great Quote and it is one of my favorites:

"You’re entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts".


Biden has a whole repertoire of great quotes...  Grin
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« Reply #48 on: October 29, 2008, 10:47:34 PM »

Biden has a whole repertoire of great quotes...  Grin

Biden is totally gagged until the election!

http://drudgereport.com/ has him pictured sitting in an airplane seat like a scolded kid.
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« Reply #49 on: October 29, 2008, 10:47:51 PM »

I have to say though, out of all things, this hits me one of the hardest.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9JTYnMpRyg" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9JTYnMpRyg</a>
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