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Re: gossip & opinions on carb-up days
« Reply #50 on: November 08, 2008, 07:53:55 PM »
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Re: gossip & opinions on carb-up days
« Reply #51 on: November 08, 2008, 09:37:07 PM »
Again...anything and everything. Even though I don't recommend alcohol, if you must just don't drink to the point you can't train the next day.

I agree, as I said, all with moderation.

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Re: gossip & opinions on carb-up days
« Reply #52 on: November 09, 2008, 12:37:04 AM »
Are they necessary / beneficial?
When cutting or bulking?

I'm carbing up right now with poppy curd dumplings and red wine (pic available on request).
Discuss.

Beneficial for what??? I just want to understand your question in context. What are you looking to accomplish by carbing up?

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Re: gossip & opinions on carb-up days
« Reply #53 on: November 09, 2008, 12:53:33 AM »
Do you guys cook with red wine or white wine? I hate drinking it but if it's good to cook with I'll give it a shot.

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Re: gossip & opinions on carb-up days
« Reply #54 on: November 09, 2008, 01:18:35 AM »
Beneficial for what??? I just want to understand your question in context. What are you looking to accomplish by carbing up?

Beneficial for the purpose of bodybuilding = change of body composition towards more muscle and less fat,
compared to consuming the same amount of carbs but equaly distributed.

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Re: gossip & opinions on carb-up days
« Reply #55 on: November 09, 2008, 01:19:37 AM »
No doubt about it...

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Re: gossip & opinions on carb-up days
« Reply #56 on: November 09, 2008, 01:20:28 AM »
Do you guys cook with red wine or white wine? I hate drinking it but if it's good to cook with I'll give it a shot.

I use red wine for marinading steak.

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Re: gossip & opinions on carb-up days
« Reply #57 on: November 09, 2008, 09:48:19 PM »
There's not nearly enough information in your original question to get a complete/specific answer.

Based on the information you've provided, the answer would be: No, they are not "necessary" or “beneficial” for bulking or cutting.

The only time they would be “necessary” is if your carbs were low or depleted.

If you're “bulking” your carbs should never be low.

Beneficial for the purpose of bodybuilding = change of body composition towards more muscle and less fat,
compared to consuming the same amount of carbs but equally distributed.

In response to this one, I'm assuming that you are talking about not having equally distributed carbs throughout a period of days (Low days and High days) as opposed to throughout each day.

As carb loading relates to “bulking”, the only truly beneficial time to load would be post- workout (for the insulin response & glycogen replenishment). But a carb loading “day” wouldn't make much sense since your carbs shouldn't be low in the first place.

If all of your glycogen stores are full and you have a loading day, your body will just store the carbs as fat (assuming you are eating above your maintenance level of calories).

As carb loading relates to “cutting”, it is my opinion that you shouldn't have severe low days and high days unless you've already exhausted every other option.

BTW, I'm basing my response assuming a "Natural" Bodybuilder. A Natural bodybuilder would loose too much muscle doing extreme low days & high days, whereas a "Drug" Bodybuilder could get away with a lot more on the extreme low days due to the anabolic/anit-catabolic effects of the drugs. However, I still don't believe a drug bodybuilder should do the low/high days until they've exhausted every other option.

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Re: gossip & opinions on carb-up days
« Reply #58 on: November 10, 2008, 12:28:43 PM »
In response to this one, I'm assuming that you are talking about not having equally distributed carbs throughout a period of days (Low days and High days) as opposed to throughout each day.

As carb loading relates to “bulking”, the only truly beneficial time to load would be post- workout (for the insulin response & glycogen replenishment). But a carb loading “day” wouldn't make much sense since your carbs shouldn't be low in the first place.

If all of your glycogen stores are full and you have a loading day, your body will just store the carbs as fat (assuming you are eating above your maintenance level of calories).

I fully agree.

As carb loading relates to “cutting”, it is my opinion that you shouldn't have severe low days and high days unless you've already exhausted every other option.

BTW, I'm basing my response assuming a "Natural" Bodybuilder. A Natural bodybuilder would loose too much muscle doing extreme low days & high days, whereas a "Drug" Bodybuilder could get away with a lot more on the extreme low days due to the anabolic/anit-catabolic effects of the drugs. However, I still don't believe a drug bodybuilder should do the low/high days until they've exhausted every other option.

I am natural, and I wouldn't do extreme low carb days in any case. What I do on a cut is take a little less in on weekdays and have a high carb/fat day on Sunday. I don't really think that it's necessary but psychologically it's a lot easier to know you can pig out once a week.

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Re: gossip & opinions on carb-up days
« Reply #59 on: November 10, 2008, 12:39:22 PM »
I fully agree.

I am natural, and I wouldn't do extreme low carb days in any case. What I do on a cut is take a little less in on weekdays and have a high carb/fat day on Sunday. I don't really think that it's necessary but psychologically it's a lot easier to know you can pig out once a week.

Didnt you say you were going to start bulking??   Then just eat any and everything (within reason)  Not a lot of sweets, etc.  Be fat and happy!   :D  Thats my motto.  You will lift a lot heavier to!

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Re: gossip & opinions on carb-up days
« Reply #60 on: November 10, 2008, 12:46:01 PM »
Didnt you say you were going to start bulking??   Then just eat any and everything (within reason)  Not a lot of sweets, etc.  Be fat and happy!   :D  Thats my motto.  You will lift a lot heavier to!

I know, I know. This Jedi has a lot of experience, even if it doesn't show in his current skinny appearance.
Right now I'm undecided, just trying to maintain as long as I'm injured and can't lift heavy.

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Re: gossip & opinions on carb-up days
« Reply #61 on: November 10, 2008, 12:51:06 PM »
I know, I know. This Jedi has a lot of experience, even if it doesn't show in his current skinny appearance.
Right now I'm undecided, just trying to maintain as long as I'm injured and can't lift heavy.
  Experienced you are...  I was only suggesting that which you already knew...  A jedi mind trick if you will. 

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« Reply #62 on: November 10, 2008, 12:58:54 PM »
Experienced you are...  I was only suggesting that which you already knew...  A jedi mind trick if you will.

The older the Jedi gets, the more he makes himself available to the mind tricks of other Jedis. He knows it's not defeat but victory to be tricked by even greater masters than himself.

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« Reply #63 on: November 10, 2008, 02:03:04 PM »
The older the Jedi gets, the more he makes himself available to the mind tricks of other Jedis. He knows it's not defeat but victory to be tricked by even greater masters than himself.

Versed you are in the Star Wars philosophy.  I think its more of a Sith thing.  There can only be two.  A master and an apprentice. 

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Re: gossip & opinions on carb-up days
« Reply #64 on: November 10, 2008, 02:10:25 PM »
Versed you are in the Star Wars philosophy.  I think its more of a Sith thing.  There can only be two.  A master and an apprentice.

Talking out of my ass I was, bow to my master I do. ;D

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« Reply #65 on: November 10, 2008, 02:11:41 PM »
Talking out of my ass I was, bow to my master I do. ;D

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Re: gossip & opinions on carb-up days
« Reply #66 on: November 10, 2008, 09:41:43 PM »
I fully agree.

I am natural, and I wouldn't do extreme low carb days in any case. What I do on a cut is take a little less in on weekdays and have a high carb/fat day on Sunday. I don't really think that it's necessary but psychologically it's a lot easier to know you can pig out once a week.

That actually helps prevent your metabolism from slowing down due to the consecutive days of reduced calories and kicks it back into high gear.

If I'm working with an athlete for a show and we have to reduce carbs due to a plateau, we still track the calories. For example, let's say we've determined that the athlete needs 2250 calories per day. On a four day cycle (Three days low and One day high) he could not exceed 9,000 calories for the four days (2250 x 4).

He would eat 2000 calories for three days (low carb) and 3000 calories on the forth day (high carb). Total 9,000 calories.

In this model you get the daily benefit of the reduced calories to burn the extra bodyfat and with the addition of the high day, prevent the slowing down of your metabolism due to the extended period of reduced calories.

In my opinion, six days is way too long to go on reduced carbs. The maximum I will allow is four days low before we do a high day.

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Re: gossip & opinions on carb-up days
« Reply #67 on: November 11, 2008, 08:53:56 AM »
That actually helps prevent your metabolism from slowing down due to the consecutive days of reduced calories and kicks it back into high gear.

If I'm working with an athlete for a show and we have to reduce carbs due to a plateau, we still track the calories. For example, let's say we've determined that the athlete needs 2250 calories per day. On a four day cycle (Three days low and One day high) he could not exceed 9,000 calories for the four days (2250 x 4).

He would eat 2000 calories for three days (low carb) and 3000 calories on the forth day (high carb). Total 9,000 calories.

In this model you get the daily benefit of the reduced calories to burn the extra bodyfat and with the addition of the high day, prevent the slowing down of your metabolism due to the extended period of reduced calories.

In my opinion, six days is way too long to go on reduced carbs. The maximum I will allow is four days low before we do a high day.

I like the sound of that :D

I usually do it once a week, so that's every 7 days...6 days low 2000-2200cals 100-150g c & 260-290g p 30g f
tank u jesus

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Re: gossip & opinions on carb-up days
« Reply #68 on: November 11, 2008, 08:59:30 AM »
That actually helps prevent your metabolism from slowing down due to the consecutive days of reduced calories and kicks it back into high gear.

If I'm working with an athlete for a show and we have to reduce carbs due to a plateau, we still track the calories. For example, let's say we've determined that the athlete needs 2250 calories per day. On a four day cycle (Three days low and One day high) he could not exceed 9,000 calories for the four days (2250 x 4).

He would eat 2000 calories for three days (low carb) and 3000 calories on the forth day (high carb). Total 9,000 calories.

In this model you get the daily benefit of the reduced calories to burn the extra bodyfat and with the addition of the high day, prevent the slowing down of your metabolism due to the extended period of reduced calories.

In my opinion, six days is way too long to go on reduced carbs. The maximum I will allow is four days low before we do a high day.

OK, thanks a lot for the input! On my current diet, I took in about 1750 cals on weekdays and double that on sunday, getting 2000 cals per day average. Maybe I'll try two high days next time.

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Re: gossip & opinions on carb-up days
« Reply #69 on: November 11, 2008, 09:00:25 AM »
OK, thanks a lot for the input! On my current diet, I took in abaout 1750 cals on weekdays and double that on sunday, getting 2000 cals per day average. Maybe I'll try two high days next time.

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« Reply #71 on: November 11, 2008, 09:03:03 AM »
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« Reply #72 on: November 11, 2008, 09:03:46 AM »
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A problem "Deicide"?







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« Reply #74 on: November 11, 2008, 09:06:24 AM »
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