Why did you start this thread Alex? LOL. I know many will claim bullshit, but the only time I used a bit of juice was in 1986 for the Mr. west Palm contest. I have been totally clean since then. I am on No HRT, no Growth Hormone, no steroids, and no prohormones. That pic was taken last week on my birthday, and my bathroom mirror probably makes me look a bit thicker than I really am. If anyone lives in the west palm area in florida, and wants to at any time randomly have me take any kind of steroid test, I will gladly do it. I don't compete. I went into a few local shows in the 80's and I did 3 natural shows in 92 and 93 and that's it.