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« Reply #50 on: December 15, 2008, 03:09:01 PM »
LOL its mostly college student crap...it is decent but only b/c of the dirt cheap prices not b/c of the quality
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« Reply #51 on: December 15, 2008, 03:18:54 PM »

Where do you get the idea that I don't know anything about the US Constitution?

from your ignorant comments in this and other threads showing you have no clue what you are talking about. Hint: nothing you wrote relates one iota to the Const. forcing any sort of two party system, nor is any 2 party system mentioned anyplace in th US Const. It appears you're not aware of that, regardless of what you seemed to have memorized. You may have read it, but that does not mean you "get it."

What I am saying is that the current political system in USA favors the two old big parties.

That it true, and quite different from your statement "the constitution could be changed to open up for more parties, stead of just two big ones." The Const. does not govern that issue and does not need to be changed.

Again, you worry about your country, leave us to worry/comment on ours.

What's with the attitude, sport?

Goofy kids from another country who "took the Democracy class my senior year in the USA"  suggesting we alter our Const. = attitude son. Some of us don't take real well to it, and take especially dim view when said democracy expert suggests a change to the Second Amend.
 


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« Reply #52 on: December 15, 2008, 07:37:32 PM »
from your ignorant comments in this and other threads showing you have no clue what you are talking about. Hint: nothing you wrote relates one iota to the Const. forcing any sort of two party system, nor is any 2 party system mentioned anyplace in th US Const. It appears you're not aware of that, regardless of what you seemed to have memorized. You may have read it, but that does not mean you "get it."

That it true, and quite different from your statement "the constitution could be changed to open up for more parties, stead of just two big ones." The Const. does not govern that issue and does not need to be changed.

Again, you worry about your country, leave us to worry/comment on ours.

Goofy kids from another country who "took the Democracy class my senior year in the USA"  suggesting we alter our Const. = attitude son. Some of us don't take real well to it, and take especially dim view when said democracy expert suggests a change to the Second Amend.
 



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« Reply #53 on: December 15, 2008, 07:40:13 PM »
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im no furniture afficiando bro the only reason i know about ikea is b/c im a former broke college student and know about their quality first hand

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« Reply #54 on: December 16, 2008, 05:07:16 AM »
I don't mind Hedge at all, but I think he thinks that, what's good for Sweden is good for America.

I'm sure he's a good kid, but don't give lectures on what America should do with its Const., especially the 2A, and be surprised you get attitude.  ::)

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« Reply #55 on: December 16, 2008, 12:41:31 PM »
from your ignorant comments in this and other threads showing you have no clue what you are talking about. Hint: nothing you wrote relates one iota to the Const. forcing any sort of two party system, nor is any 2 party system mentioned anyplace in th US Const. It appears you're not aware of that, regardless of what you seemed to have memorized. You may have read it, but that does not mean you "get it."

That it true, and quite different from your statement "the constitution could be changed to open up for more parties, stead of just two big ones." The Const. does not govern that issue and does not need to be changed.

Again, you worry about your country, leave us to worry/comment on ours.

Goofy kids from another country who "took the Democracy class my senior year in the USA"  suggesting we alter our Const. = attitude son. Some of us don't take real well to it, and take especially dim view when said democracy expert suggests a change to the Second Amend.
 



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« Reply #56 on: December 18, 2008, 08:24:46 AM »
I can fix it in a hurry.

No, you can't actually.

You commit an intentional crime with a gun and you get 20 years added to your sentence.

So beating a person to death with a rock is better? Focusing on the tool used vs the end result and intent of the person doing the killing is what matters. Murder should carry the same sentence regardless of the tool used. The dead person does not care what was used to kill them with. If a person drives his SUV into a crowed killing 10, he should get less time then the guy who kills one with a gun? Use your brain.

Adding additional sentence for using a gun in a crime, has no effects on total crime rates, and has been shown to make criminals simply (if they bother to think about it at all) change tools. Stabbings go up, etc, etc. Read and learn:

The Cold, Hard Facts About Guns
by John R. Lott, Jr.

America may indeed be obsessed with guns, but much of what passes as fact simply isn't true. The news media's focus on only tragic outcomes, while ignoring tragic events that were avoided, may be responsible for some misimpressions. Horrific events like the recent shooting in Arkansas receive massive news coverage, as they should, but the 2.5 million times each year that people use guns defensively are never discussed--including cases where public shootings are stopped before they happen.

Unfortunately, these misimpressions have real costs for people's safety. Many myths needlessly frighten people and prevent them from defending themselves most effectively.

    Myth No. 1: When one is attacked, passive behavior is the safest approach.


The Department of Justice's National Crime Victimization Survey reports that the probability of serious injury from an attack is 2.5 times greater for women offering no resistance than for women resisting with a gun. Men also benefit from using a gun, but the benefits are smaller: offering no resistance is 1.4 times more likely to result in serious injury than resisting with a gun.

    Myth No. 2: Friends or relatives are the most likely killers.


The myth is usually based on two claims: 1) 58 percent of murder victims are killed by either relatives or acquaintances and 2) anyone could be a murderer.

With the broad definition of "acquaintances" used in the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports, most victims are indeed classified as knowing their killer. However, what is not made clear is that acquaintance murder primarily includes drug buyers killing drug pushers, cabdrivers killed by first-time customers, gang members killing other gang members, prostitutes killed by their clients, and so on. Only one city, Chicago, reports a precise breakdown on the nature of acquaintance killings: between 1990 and 1995 just 17 percent of murder victims were either family members, friends, neighbors and/or roommates.

Murderers also are not your average citizen. For example, about 90 percent of adult murderers have already had a criminal record as an adult. Murderers are overwhelmingly young males with low IQs and who have difficult times getting along with others. Furthermore, unfortunately, murder is disproportionately committed against blacks and by blacks.

    Myth No. 3: The United States has such a high murder rate because Americans own so many guns.


There is no international evidence backing this up. The Swiss, New Zealanders and Finns all own guns as frequently as Americans, yet in 1995 Switzerland had a murder rate 40 percent lower than Germany's, and New Zealand had one lower than Australia's. Finland and Sweden have very different gun ownership rates, but very similar murder rates. Israel, with a higher gun ownership rate than the U.S., has a murder rate 40 percent below Canada's. When one studies all countries rather than just a select few as is usually done, there is absolutely no relationship between gun ownership and murder.

    Myth No. 4: If law-abiding citizens are allowed to carry concealed handguns, people will end up shooting each other after traffic accidents as well as accidentally shooting police officers.

Millions of people currently hold concealed handgun permits, and some states have issued them for as long as 60 years. Yet, only one permit holder has ever been arrested for using a concealed handgun after a traffic accident and that case was ruled as self-defense. The type of person willing to go through the permitting process is extremely law-abiding. In Florida, almost 444,000 licenses were granted from 1987 to 1997, but only 84 people have lost their licenses for felonies involving firearms. Most violations that lead to permits being revoked involve accidentally carrying a gun into restricted areas, like airports or schools. In Virginia, not a single permit holder has committed a violent crime. Similarly encouraging results have been reported for Kentucky, Nevada, North Carolina, South Carolina, Texas and Tennessee (the only other states where information is available).

    Myth No. 5: The family gun is more likely to kill you or someone you know than to kill in self-defense.


The studies yielding such numbers never actually inquired as to whose gun was used in the killing. Instead, if a household owned a gun and if a person in that household or someone they knew was shot to death while in the home, the gun in the household was blamed. In fact, virtually all the killings in these studies were committed by guns brought in by an intruder. No more than four percent of the gun deaths can be attributed to the homeowner's gun. The very fact that most people were killed by intruders also surely raises questions about why they owned guns in the first place and whether they had sufficient protection.

How many attacks have been deterred from ever occurring by the potential victims owning a gun? My own research finds that more concealed handguns, and increased gun ownership generally, unambiguously deter murders, robbery, and aggravated assaults. This is also in line with the well-known fact that criminals prefer attacking victims that they consider weak.

These are only some of the myths about guns and crime that drive the public policy debate. We must not lose sight of the ultimate question: Will allowing law-abiding citizens to own guns save lives? The evidence strongly indicates that it does.

This article fist appeared in the Chicago Tribune on May 8, 1998 and is reprenited here with the author's permission.

Dr. John Lott, Jr. is the John M. Olin law and economics fellow at the University of Chicago School of Law,



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« Reply #57 on: December 18, 2008, 08:32:24 AM »
No, you can't actually.

So beating a person to death with a rock is better? Focusing on the tool used vs the end result and intent of the person doing the killing is what matters. Murder should carry the same sentence regardless of the tool used. The dead person does not care what was used to kill them with. If a person drives his SUV into a crowed killing 10, he should get less time then the guy who kills one with a gun? Use your brain.

Adding additional sentence for using a gun in a crime, has no effects on total crime rates, and has been shown to make criminals simply (if they bother to think about it at all) change tools. Stabbings go up, etc, etc. Read and learn:

The Cold, Hard Facts About Guns
by John R. Lott, Jr.

America may indeed be obsessed with guns, but much of what passes as fact simply isn't true. The news media's focus on only tragic outcomes, while ignoring tragic events that were avoided, may be responsible for some misimpressions. Horrific events like the recent shooting in Arkansas receive massive news coverage, as they should, but the 2.5 million times each year that people use guns defensively are never discussed--including cases where public shootings are stopped before they happen.

Unfortunately, these misimpressions have real costs for people's safety. Many myths needlessly frighten people and prevent them from defending themselves most effectively.

    Myth No. 1: When one is attacked, passive behavior is the safest approach.


The Department of Justice's National Crime Victimization Survey reports that the probability of serious injury from an attack is 2.5 times greater for women offering no resistance than for women resisting with a gun. Men also benefit from using a gun, but the benefits are smaller: offering no resistance is 1.4 times more likely to result in serious injury than resisting with a gun.

    Myth No. 2: Friends or relatives are the most likely killers.


The myth is usually based on two claims: 1) 58 percent of murder victims are killed by either relatives or acquaintances and 2) anyone could be a murderer.

With the broad definition of "acquaintances" used in the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports, most victims are indeed classified as knowing their killer. However, what is not made clear is that acquaintance murder primarily includes drug buyers killing drug pushers, cabdrivers killed by first-time customers, gang members killing other gang members, prostitutes killed by their clients, and so on. Only one city, Chicago, reports a precise breakdown on the nature of acquaintance killings: between 1990 and 1995 just 17 percent of murder victims were either family members, friends, neighbors and/or roommates.

Murderers also are not your average citizen. For example, about 90 percent of adult murderers have already had a criminal record as an adult. Murderers are overwhelmingly young males with low IQs and who have difficult times getting along with others. Furthermore, unfortunately, murder is disproportionately committed against blacks and by blacks.

    Myth No. 3: The United States has such a high murder rate because Americans own so many guns.


There is no international evidence backing this up. The Swiss, New Zealanders and Finns all own guns as frequently as Americans, yet in 1995 Switzerland had a murder rate 40 percent lower than Germany's, and New Zealand had one lower than Australia's. Finland and Sweden have very different gun ownership rates, but very similar murder rates. Israel, with a higher gun ownership rate than the U.S., has a murder rate 40 percent below Canada's. When one studies all countries rather than just a select few as is usually done, there is absolutely no relationship between gun ownership and murder.

    Myth No. 4: If law-abiding citizens are allowed to carry concealed handguns, people will end up shooting each other after traffic accidents as well as accidentally shooting police officers.

Millions of people currently hold concealed handgun permits, and some states have issued them for as long as 60 years. Yet, only one permit holder has ever been arrested for using a concealed handgun after a traffic accident and that case was ruled as self-defense. The type of person willing to go through the permitting process is extremely law-abiding. In Florida, almost 444,000 licenses were granted from 1987 to 1997, but only 84 people have lost their licenses for felonies involving firearms. Most violations that lead to permits being revoked involve accidentally carrying a gun into restricted areas, like airports or schools. In Virginia, not a single permit holder has committed a violent crime. Similarly encouraging results have been reported for Kentucky, Nevada, North Carolina, South Carolina, Texas and Tennessee (the only other states where information is available).

    Myth No. 5: The family gun is more likely to kill you or someone you know than to kill in self-defense.


The studies yielding such numbers never actually inquired as to whose gun was used in the killing. Instead, if a household owned a gun and if a person in that household or someone they knew was shot to death while in the home, the gun in the household was blamed. In fact, virtually all the killings in these studies were committed by guns brought in by an intruder. No more than four percent of the gun deaths can be attributed to the homeowner's gun. The very fact that most people were killed by intruders also surely raises questions about why they owned guns in the first place and whether they had sufficient protection.

How many attacks have been deterred from ever occurring by the potential victims owning a gun? My own research finds that more concealed handguns, and increased gun ownership generally, unambiguously deter murders, robbery, and aggravated assaults. This is also in line with the well-known fact that criminals prefer attacking victims that they consider weak.

These are only some of the myths about guns and crime that drive the public policy debate. We must not lose sight of the ultimate question: Will allowing law-abiding citizens to own guns save lives? The evidence strongly indicates that it does.

This article fist appeared in the Chicago Tribune on May 8, 1998 and is reprenited here with the author's permission.

Dr. John Lott, Jr. is the John M. Olin law and economics fellow at the University of Chicago School of Law,




John Lott is like kryptonite to gun control freaks. 

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Re: RON PAUL ON GUN CONTROL - THIS GUY GETS IT!
« Reply #58 on: December 18, 2008, 08:38:52 AM »
John Lott is like kryptonite to gun control freaks. 

Agreed, but dude, learn to snip!  :o

BTW - I HAVE A NEW G26 ON THE WAY THIS WEEK!

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« Reply #59 on: December 18, 2008, 08:47:18 AM »
I actually read a book you wrote years ago, i cant remember the name.  It was pretty good and I hope you had decent sales on it.

BTW - I already have the G17, but wanted the smaller G26.  I would have went for .40 cal, but i like being able to shoot 9mm at the range more often and become more proficient.

As far as rifles go, I am best with a Bushmaster M4 AR-15.  That damn thing is great.


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« Reply #60 on: December 18, 2008, 08:51:43 AM »
Exactly what comments were ignorant?
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« Reply #61 on: December 18, 2008, 08:53:42 AM »
bump for answer!

Your entire posting history on this topic is so replete with errors one would not know where to begin.

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« Reply #62 on: December 18, 2008, 08:59:39 AM »
I actually read a book you wrote years ago, i cant remember the name.  It was pretty good and I hope you had decent sales on it.

Was it Priming The Anabolic Environment? See:

http://www.amazon.com/Title-Priming-Anabolic-Environment-Practical/dp/1552100030/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1229618929&sr=1-1

I sold it as a one time fee to MMI, so I did OK with it, but it didn't make me rich by any means. BTW, my ebook (spam alert!) Bodybuilding Revealed is a far better book. Priming (hence the title) was a more foundational/beginners read, where as BBR is 600 plus pages of beginner to advanced science based info on supps, nutrition, and training.

OK, back to guns...

BTW - I already have the G17, but wanted the smaller G26.  I would have went for .40 cal, but i like being able to shoot 9mm at the range more often and become more proficient.

Considering the cost of ammo right now, a very good idea! I was considering a 9mm 1911 myself for that reason as .45 ACP is freakin' expensive! I took a tactical combat handgun course recently and the ammo cost more then the course, hotel room, etc combined!  >:(

As far as rifles go, I am best with a Bushmaster M4 AR-15.  That damn thing is great.

Me too. It's my one and only long gun:




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« Reply #63 on: December 18, 2008, 09:00:32 AM »
Your entire posting history on this topic is so replete with errors one would not know where to begin.

Exactly.

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« Reply #64 on: December 18, 2008, 09:05:49 AM »
Exactly.
In addition to being a troll-faced schmoe, you are a one trick pony. Always popping up on gun control threads.  ::)
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« Reply #65 on: December 18, 2008, 09:08:15 AM »
That was the book!  Very basic, but to the point and hit all the points.  The thing I still follow is focusing on big body parts like Back, Legs, Chest and sticking to basic exercises.  

As far as ammo costs, go to sportsmansguide.com

They have as good prices as you are going to get anywhere.

The thing I like about the bushmaster is also the fact that it is a very low recoil gun for the round.

At 100 yards with the Barska laser scope at 1x magnification I can get about 1.5 to 2.5 inch groupings.  

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« Reply #66 on: December 18, 2008, 09:09:18 AM »
In addition to being a troll-faced schmoe, you are a one trick pony. Always popping up on gun control threads.  ::)

I "pop up" in all manner of thread topics, so your reading comprehension is poor. Carry on wanna be GB troll person.  8)

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« Reply #67 on: December 18, 2008, 09:13:32 AM »
That was the book!  Very basic, but to the point and hit all the points.  The thing I still follow is focusing on big body parts like Back, Legs, Chest and sticking to basic exercises.

Yup.  ;D

As far as ammo costs, go to sportsmansguide.com

Can't. People's Republic of MA does not allow such things.

The thing I like about the bushmaster is also the fact that it is a very low recoil gun for the round.

That is the nature of the AR platform and the projectile is fires. Not a brand thing, but a design thing.

At 100 yards with the Barska laser scope at 1x magnification I can get about 1.5 to 2.5 inch groupings.

I'm not all that great with mine. Decent groups at 100 yards, but nothing special. I'm a handgun shooter mostly.
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« Reply #68 on: December 18, 2008, 09:14:54 AM »
you guys need a hundred round drum for your ar's like i have  ;D

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« Reply #69 on: December 18, 2008, 09:16:07 AM »
Do you live near the border of CT or RI?

Why not get family member to get it for you or something and just stock up?

I got a lot of .223 for a great price.

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« Reply #70 on: December 18, 2008, 09:19:30 AM »
Do you live near the border of CT or RI?

Why not get family member to get it for you or something and just stock up?

I got a lot of .223 for a great price.

Best priced are to drive up to NH. I did stock up before prices went from high to crazy. I made sure to get true 5.56 vs. .223.

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« Reply #71 on: December 18, 2008, 09:23:53 AM »
Best priced are to drive up to NH. I did stock up before prices went from high to crazy. I made sure to get true 5.56 vs. .223.

I use it mostly for the range but have good stuff for SHTF scenarios.

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« Reply #72 on: December 18, 2008, 09:28:17 AM »
I use it mostly for the range but have good stuff for SHTF scenarios.

Me too. Bunch of cheap Wolff .223. for range. Runs fine, but it's dirty stuff.

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« Reply #73 on: December 18, 2008, 10:07:47 AM »
No, you can't actually.
Actually, I can.  It's my scenario and my rule.

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So beating a person to death with a rock is better? Focusing on the tool used vs the end result and intent of the person doing the killing is what matters. Murder should carry the same sentence regardless of the tool used. The dead person does not care what was used to kill them with. If a person drives his SUV into a crowed killing 10, he should get less time then the guy who kills one with a gun? Use your brain.
Wrong about the rock and you are dead wrong with your reasoning.  You're using the specious "guns don't kill people, people kill people" argument and here is why that's wrong:  It's easier and much more feasible to kill a person with a gun than it is a rock.

If that is not the case, then why do bank robbers use guns?  Why didn't the Columbine kids storm the high school armed with rocks?  Why doesn't the US government arm its soldiers with rocks and rolled up magazines? 
Why?  B/c guns make killing easier to do.

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Adding additional sentence for using a gun in a crime, has no effects on total crime rates, and has been shown to make criminals simply (if they bother to think about it at all) change tools. Stabbings go up, etc, etc. Read and learn:. . . .
Fine.  I'll take my chances with a crook armed with a knife versus a store owner armed with a registered gun.  But this argument is nothing more than an iteration of your "guns don't kill people..." fallacy.


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« Reply #74 on: December 18, 2008, 10:22:41 AM »
you know whats funny decker is you always talk about the underlying problems of illegal immigration and why building a fence wont solve anything b/c you have to deal with the underlying problems but you dont apply that logic to gun control.