New test that detects GH....

[The Showstoppa]

Surgery, I think.

Man, that looks nasty.  Over a year and it hasn't healed up yet? Wow.

[The Ugly]

Man, that looks nasty.  Over a year and it hasn't healed up yet? Wow.

Older pic. Says it's much worse now.

[Moosejay]

Most probably. The test is not ready until it's proven in court, and AFAIK no one has been busted for GH yet (someone correct me if I'm wrong). It has been "ready" for close to 10 years now. The thing is that it has to be reliable enough so there are zero false positives.

You sir, are correct.

[Moosejay]

Moosejay, that wound looks awful.  Have you seen a specialist?  Have they considered a skin graft to try to cover the wound? 

Yes....they will use a shark cartilage graft if they can clean it up.

As it stands now...the wound is deep enough where the bone has become infected...if it continues unfettered...t6her is riak of amputation.,

[Moosejay]

GH tests have been around for quite a while now. Good to see you back Moosejay.

Thanks Coach. I am sure you are doing well...goodness to you, my friend

[Moosejay]

What are the doctors saying? They should have some idea, no?

Sorry to hear this, Moose. Godspeed. 

Believe it or not, TU, the docs say very little...I am always left disenchanted

[Moosejay]

Surgery, I think.

Initially, a fall on ice with concomitant wrist and shoulder injuries...surgeries ensued...infections followed

[Moosejay]

Older pic. Says it's much worse now.

Yes. Carol will post for me in a bit...a panoply of  presentations over the past month up until today

[G o a t b o y]

Initially, a fall on ice with concomitant wrist and shoulder injuries...surgeries ensued...infections followed

Sounds to me like the original surgeon fucked up and caused you this infection.

[Moosejay]

Sounds to me like the original surgeon fucked up and caused you this infection.

I am kinda leaning that way myself...what do I do, though?

NO other docs will touch this...its HIS work

[The Ugly]

Believe it or not, TU, the docs say very little...I am always left disenchanted

How can they NOT have an opinion? Do they seem concerned, or is it more, "Wow, never seen that before"?

There's gotta be someone in your circle that can recommend SOMEONE. It's madness!

Good luck.

[Moosejay]

How can they NOT have an opinion? Do they seem concerned, or is it more, "Wow, never seen that before"?

There's gotta be someone in your circle that can recommend SOMEONE. It's madness!

Good luck.

Its funny, Carol goes with me to all appointments.

She asked my doc, "Have you ev er seen this in any patients...?"

"Yes..", he replied..."In Michael"

I shit you not, that is what he said

[The Ugly]

Its funny, Carol goes with me to all appointments.

She asked my doc, "Have you ev er seen this in any patients...?"

"Yes..", he replied..."In Michael"

I shit you not, that is what he said

You sound worried enough to find another doctor.

[Megalodon]

Don't know if this info can be applied to the wound on the other page. First link--scroll to see the before and after sores.

http://www.manukahoneyusa.com/customer-testimonies-by-illness.htm

Msnbc article about Manuka honey on non-healing wounds as well as it's antibiotic properties:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22398921/


Have never used/taken it, don't even take supplements... just relaying info read.

[Moosejay]

You sound worried enough to find another doctor.

honestly...I am more disenchanted, and kinda sometimes losing hope.

But I summon the strength from within

for as long as I can

[Moosejay]

Don't know if this info can be applied to the wound on the other page. First link--scroll to see the before and after sores.

http://www.manukahoneyusa.com/customer-testimonies-by-illness.htm

Msnbc article about Manuka honey on non-healing wounds as well as it's antibiotic properties:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22398921/


Have never used/taken it, don't even take supplements... just relaying info read.

thank you.

[J Grey]

GH is naturally produced in the body, this test can some how tell the difference between naturally produced GH and synthetic GH?

[Moosejay]

GH is naturally produced in the body, this test can some how tell the difference between naturally produced GH and synthetic GH?

exactly

that is why I think they are full of shit

[J Grey]

exactly

that is why I think they are full of shit

hahahahaha

so many top so called "naturals" are on mega doses of GH

[gh15]

you cant detect gh
you cant detect insulin

test are too costly and no one will put money for the gh ,,insulin forget about it

you cant even detrect testosterone since those homos use suspension,,every npc joke use suspension and or propup to the day of competition and during!

[J Grey]

you cant detect gh
you cant detect insulin

test are too costly and no one will put money for the gh ,,insulin forget about it

you cant even detrect testosterone since those homos use suspension,,every npc joke use suspension and or propup to the day of competition and during!

can a person get massive just by using insulin?

[Moosejay]

hahahahaha

so many top so called "naturals" are on mega doses of GH

most of the guys in the INBF and WNBF are users

they confide to me occasionally how they beat the tests

[The Coach]

The reason is simple: it has to extremely reliable, which it isn't, or hasn't been. I'm sure they can say whether an athlete has used GH with high certainty but if they can't prove in court that it can't cause false positives it's no good. Whenever the first athlete is busted he will most likely challenge the results in court and then we'll see if there actually is a workable test.

Yes, That makes alot of sense, I didn't think of that.

[Van_Bilderass]

Yes, That makes alot of sense, I didn't think of that.

 

Pioneering mind-set at George Mason produces new HGH test

By A.J. Perez, USA TODAY

MANASSAS, Va. — Just as George Mason University's athletics program was overshadowed in the Washington, D.C., region — never mind the nation — until its men's basketball team made a surprising run to the NCAA Final Four two years ago, the school's medical research program had worked in relative obscurity until a major breakthrough this summer.

Two GMU professors whose primary interest had been cancer research developed the first urine test for human growth hormone. Working outside the Olympic movement, outside the traditional research environment of a university-backed teaching hospital, and 20 miles outside the university's main campus in Fairfax, Va., Emanuel "Chip" Petricoin and Lance Liotta moved directly to the forefront of international sports' anti-doping efforts. They also furthered — at least for now — their university's high-risk, high-reward pursuit of national renown and future income.

"From the early days at GMU, it's taken an entrepreneurial spirit," says Alan Merten, the university's fifth president since its founding in 1972. "You don't go from nowhere to a school this large in 36 years without that kind of mind-set."

GMU didn't pioneer the practice of using that mind-set to lure researchers, but respected higher education lawyer Sheldon Steinbach says it plays the game well. And with good reason.

"The Final Four team was a momentary blip on the radar," says Steinbach, who formerly worked for the American Council on Education, an organization that represents more than 1,800 colleges. "It probably brought in a couple of dollars that mostly went to athletics. This really helps the school financially."


It also helps from a public-relations perspective. In August, U.S. News and World Report's college rankings issue had George Mason atop the magazine's new "Up-and-Coming Schools" category.

Professors get credit

Merten gives credit for the ranking to professors such as Petricoin, 44, and Liotta, 61, whom he calls the top recruits in the school's history.

To bring them from the National Institutes of Health in 2005, GMU offered to build a state-of-the-art lab that would be the centerpiece of the campus in Manassas the school hopes to further develop, pay them each nearly $250,000 a year and allow them to partner with outside companies to advance their research and their earning potential.

Their hirings, however, weren't without controversy. They came a few months after they testified before Congress about conflict-of-interest allegations. The NIH cleared Petricoin and Liotta of wrongdoing in connection with a test for ovarian cancer they tried to develop with an outside firm, partnerships that now are forbidden at the federal agency.

For their HGH research, Liotta and Petricoin have partnered with, and become scientific advisory board members of, Ceres Nanosciences, a start-up that intends to market their HGH test if it is approved for large-scale use.

The two have applied for a patent for the process of detecting HGH, long thought to be one of the most used performance-enhancing drugs since it is virtually undetectable.

Seeking patents is nothing new to Liotta, who says he has filed more than 90 applications over the years for everything from high-tech yo-yos to new research methods. "I learned a lot about the process very early," he says.

His first experience came in junior high school, when his automatic braking system for slot cars — motorized toy cars guided around a track by a groove — led him to meet with a toy manufacturer.

"I rode my bike to the demonstration and the toy company was interested," he says. "But that summer the whole slot car fad died and the company went out of business."

Neither professor had a sports career that stretched past high school. As a senior on the wrestling team at Mayfield High in Cleveland, Liotta says he went undefeated in league competition. He remained in Cleveland and earned medical and biomedical engineering degrees from Case Western Reserve University.

Petricoin is the sports fan of the two. He grew up outside Washington in Upper Marlboro, Md., and says he played basketball and soccer in high school. Petricoin stayed in state for college, receiving a doctorate in microbiology from the University of Maryland.

A longtime Baltimore Orioles fan, he watched as Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa and others were questioned before Congress in 2005 about the proliferation of steroids in baseball.

"I looked at it is as a fan hoping that it wasn't true," Petricoin says. "By the same token, there were some aspects of the game that didn't make sense from a scientific standpoint. It was kind of a drag when you realized that some of it might be happening."

An inexpensive breakthrough

It wasn't until earlier this year that they began to alter a test — which they hope one day will be able to detect cancer at its earliest stages — to find HGH in urine. There has been a blood test for HGH for a few years, but it's extremely expensive and its reliability has been questioned within the anti-doping community. The test has been used at the last three Olympics but has failed to identify an athlete using HGH. There is no indication major sports leagues or their players' unions are eager to implement it.

Mixing chemicals that cost less than $100, Petricoin and Liotta created a reaction in the lab that creates millions of nanoparticles tailored to find HGH — and, one day, possibly cancer. The particles, which would be placed in a specimen container before collection, find, trap and preserve the compound so standard testing equipment can detect HGH.

The next step is having their research accepted by the scientific, athletic and legal communities. That process took a step forward last week when their research into the HGH test was published in Nano Research, a peer-reviewed journal specializing in the science of engineering on an atomic and molecular scale.

Ceres, the biotech company, is cooperating with the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency for the next phase: identifying a normal range of HGH in the body. The study will take urine from dozens of adults 18 to 45 who volunteer to give samples at an on-campus athletics facility.

The professors are still early in the approval process, which could take years, according to Frederic Donze, a spokesman for the World Anti-Doping Agency, which approves testing procedures used in Olympic sports.

"There is usually a long way between research and implementation of a methodology for anti-doping purpose," Donze says via e-mail. "A significant element of this process is that the anti-doping community needs to make sure that any detection method can withstand any … scientific and legal challenge."

The most recent incarnation of the test for endurance-boosting EPO — a test that has flagged several cyclists at the Tour de France and a handful of athletes at the Beijing Olympic this summer — took four years, Donze says.

Don Catlin, who founded the UCLA Olympic Analytical Laboratory and is widely viewed as the dean of anti-doping research, spent years seeking this HGH test and has been in constant contact with the professors in hope of getting their test accepted.

"We have made substantial progress," says Catlin, who sat alongside Liotta during a panel discussion at a summit about HGH that Major League Baseball sponsored last month. "I'm excited about it. We have Dr. Liotta, who walks in as a breath of fresh air with a new technology."

'Entrepreneurial program'

GMU is Virginia's second-largest university in terms of enrollment, with a little more than 30,000 students in its undergraduate and graduate programs, but it lacks more than just the cachet of some nearby colleges. GMU doesn't have a medical school, as the University of Maryland, Georgetown, Howard and George Washington do.

"There's much more of an open, entrepreneurial program here," says Vikas Chandhoke, dean of GMU's College of Science, whose college has teamed with Inova Fairfax Hospital to conduct much of its real-world research. "You don't get that with medical schools. That's one advantage we have here. There's not the bureaucracy."

Such bureaucracy is one of the reasons the scientists left the NIH, though they had a hand in creating a more regulated environment there. Petricoin and Liotta published an article in The Lancet— a journal considered more prestigious than the one the two had their research published in last week — in 2002 detailing a new possible method of detecting ovarian cancer. The test couldn't be replicated by other researchers, and both eventually were called in front of a congressional subcommittee to testify about their dealings with Correlogic Systems, a company with which the two partnered to advance the technology.

The NIH eventually barred its scientists from working with the private sector.

Keith A. Baggerly, an associate professor at the University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center who tried to replicate the ovarian cancer test, says there is nothing wrong with partnerships as long as there is transparency. Without that, Baggerly says, "there might be a motivation to make something look good."

Liotta says there's no chance of a repeat with the HGH test, primarily because other scientists should be able to replicate their work. "That's something that's in our past," Liotta says.

A possible windfall

Starting in 2005, GMU paid $2 million to $3 million to set up the lab for the professors, according to Chandhoke. The two professors brought an exchange program with Instituto Superiore di Sanita, part of the Italian National Health Service, from the NIH.

Liotta and Petricoin have brought in grant money, but that's not the biggest possible payback. Ceres Nanosciences is paying to license the Nanotrap technology behind the HGH detection system. Ceres, which has relocated to a lab on the Manassas campus, also will pay royalties if the technology is pushed into use.

(Petricoin and Liotta also are part of the management of Theranostics Health, another local start-up that has licensed other research from the pair.)

Chandhoke doubts the partnerships will boomerang on the university. "This is not all about making money," he says of the spinoffs. "This is about long-term reputation building for the College of Science and the university. We're looking to attract the top scientists to take this university to the next level."

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/2008-12-16-george-mason-hgh-test_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip

So there still isn't a test really.

[WillGrant]

you cant detect gh
you cant detect insulin

test are too costly and no one will put money for the gh ,,insulin forget about it

you cant even detrect testosterone since those homos use suspension,,every npc joke use suspension and or propup to the day of competition and during!

Again ,state the obvious..

Why is loosegay now only a guest?
Has he passed?